Besides Hall, who has PSU not redshirted?
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Maybe the OP can rephrase the question to "who didn't redshirt as a freshman?" . . . because few (if any) chose not to shirt a year at some point during their career. And Hall could still shirt a year.
PSU's situation has been different because they were absolutely competing for team titles and needed those TF's to wrestle at the time. Starting with A. Alton(2011) every point seemed crucial as Cornell was the favorite for most of the season and it inevitably took the Long transfer to get them over the top. Megaludis and McIntosh(2012) were so far ahead of their teammates at their respective weights and Minnesota, Iowa and Cornell all had 100+ point squads. Retherford in 2014 proved to be the key as Minnesota gave PSU a solid scare finishing 5.5 pts behind. Finally, Hall was pulled when OkState made it look like they could unseat PSU after scoring 198 pts at the Scuffle.
All in all, Sanderson uses redshirts and I think he still favors redshirting TF's. However, when it is pretty clear he has a solid AA potential TF that may make the difference in making sure they win the title, he will pull the trigger.
If the Iowa situation matched any of the above, I would say go for it. But, Iowa is so damn far behind in expected points that it would take an aligning of the planets(which doesn't really happen and around 30 degrees is what meets the requirements) for them to win and that happens about every 500 years or so. I just don't like every 500 years or so odds.
All in all, Sanderson uses redshirts and I think he still favors redshirting TF's. However, when it is pretty clear he has a solid AA potential TF that may make the difference in making sure they win the title, he will pull the trigger.
If the Iowa situation matched any of the above, I would say go for it. But, Iowa is so damn far behind in expected points that it would take an aligning of the planets(which doesn't really happen and around 30 degrees is what meets the requirements) for them to win and that happens about every 500 years or so. I just don't like every 500 years or so odds.
You are actually wrong on why Hall's redshirt was pulled. Hall is the one who wanted it pulled and it had nothing to do with what OSU did at the Scuffle. Some of these kids don't want to spend 5-6 years (Redshirt/Olympic Redshirt) in college. I believe Hall and Lee both have stated that they prefer freestyle to folk and perhaps they want to get to freestyle full time sooner and ditch the folk ASAP.
Ok, well I read differently. Many sites said the original plan was pretty apparent that Hall was going to redshirt. In fact, I remember there being a lot of conversation over whether or not pulling his shirt should/would happen. Of course, AFTER the fact Hall endorses it with flying colors, but I remember it being quite different beforehand.
Also, this 5/6 year thing isn't very accurate considering a VAST majority of students take at least 5 years to graduate and the student athlete numbers are even higher.
Actually, directly from Spencer, he likes folkstyle better because of his ability on top.
Hmmmm....he seems to have changed his mind on the subject since he entered the Hawkeye wrestling room. He was singing a different tune in HS. Now that IS some fine coaching by TnT!
Ok, so I'm a little unclear. Besides Hall, who from F*** State has not redshirted at anytime? I've never had a problem redshirting guys. In fact, I hope both Warner and Lee redshirt. I just don't agree with people saying Cael gettting more bang for the buck because of not redshirting. I think KMF said that. I couldn't remember a PSU wrestler that hadn't redshirted at some point in their career. I know Suriano wrestled as a true freshman, but he is gone. Hall was a no brainer. Lee without a knee injury is a no brainer as well. Just don't want him to pull a Brandon Snyder. I realize there are risks, but the ACL gets cranked on in wrestling. The more time the better. Even if there are a few at PSU that haven't redshirted, there aren't that many and I don't think that is the issue. As I think we will see with Lee and Warner, its about getting top 10 guys in the room. With the clubs, most wrestlers are way further along in the developmental path than 15 years ago, so the top guys have sorted themselves out already.
You are spot on. Hall is 38 so his clock is ticking.
I am not sure I agree with all of what ur saying here. There were a lot of rumors last year about Hall and why his shirt was eventually pulled.
These kids can "ditch" folk style any time they want. Hell, how many matches did Snyder wrestle last year, 16 or 17, while traveling overseas several times? He has kind of partially ditched folk style already.
You are spot on. Hall is 38 so his clock is ticking.
He's 29 days younger than fellow soph Michael Kemmerer. Has Kem turned 39 yet?
The plan was to redshift Hall.
Hall approached Cael about pulling the shirt.
Cael allowed Hall to wrestle off against Morelli.
Hall waon a single elimination match by a point.
Im pretty sure anonymous message boards ultimately applied enough pressure that Cael had no other choice but to go all in last season.
Kind to think of it, similar posting styles to the folks around here of late. Incessant and daily regurgitation of the same info dominating every thread.
hmmmmm
The point isn't if they redshirted or not, it's if they went as True Freshmen.
Lincoln Mac may have never redshirted were it not for injuries hindering him (after Junior year IIRC). I don't think he would have, but could be wrong.
You can mix and match talent to make runs, IF you have options. Carl has had them more than anyone else recently, and that absolutely is advantageous. That's why to me, Iowa at some point needs to send a message that they'll do the same. They haven't had the stars align apparently, but the longer you wait to prove it the worse it's going to get, IMO.
Spencer has always said he prefers freestyle to folk.
Damn.... they really must be having a BLAST in that room!
Hall did exactly what I predicted his freshman year. He couldn't stand not being the center of the universe and inserted himself into the lineup. Going from 6 straight state championships to sitting was not the right environment for him.I'll bet that is part of Spencer's thinking.
At least he didn’t pack up and go elsewhere to be the center of the universe like that 125lber what’s his name did...
That's an odd way to talk about your own guy. I don't know about universe stuff etc but these guys are ultimate competitors who would park a bed by the mat if they could.
Actually, most students don't take 5 years to graduate. My son attended a pretty good high school on the North shore of Chicago. They actually track this information. His class had just over 400 students.378 attended 4 year colleges. His best friends went to Brown, The University of Chicago, Michigan, and Iowa with several of his classmates attending Ivy's. According to the schools statistics 14% of students graduated in 3 years. 24% in 3.5 years. 52% in 4 years. 7% in more than 4 years but less than 5 years. 3% did not graduate in less than 5 years.
Generally the reason it takes more than 4 years is because students can't get into some pre-req classes because the University doesn't offer enough spots (some say knowingly). When that happens it requires summer school or another full year because without the pre-req first semester, you can't take the class that requires it the next semester.
Not too impressive from here, slushy. I'd give it a "bag," or maybe just plain douchie.
Definitely doesn't rise to the "nozzle," level.
Sounds like a high level private school your son attended. Their numbers do not transfer to the vast majority of high school students. Apples to pumpkins comparison
http://college.usatoday.com/2015/12...h-why-students-are-taking-longer-to-graduate/
http://college.usatoday.com/2015/12...h-why-students-are-taking-longer-to-graduate/
