Biden/Title IX and NIL. Big news last night. Department of Education gets involved.

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Department Of Education Throws A Wrench Into NCAA Revenue Sharing Model With Title IX Rules Memo

This could possibly be changed or altered in some way when new leadership in the White House begins, but has thrown a wrench into some school's plans for revenue-sharing.

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[SIXERS24]

This might not matter if Trump ends the Department of Education.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

So to summarize my understanding: the department of education is going to force schools to pay the same amount of money to female athletes as they do to male athletes (not individually, but in aggregate). So if male athletes at a school get paid $10M than females need to get $10M…is that right?

If so, that is asinine on so many levels:

1. The men’s teams earn more full stop. I love women’s basketball, but not everyone does and there is no women’s sport that is anywhere close to the popularity of football. Forcing equal pay for grown adults despite the obvious differences in product popularity is asinine. It’s like saying GM should be forced to pay Mary Barra the same amount as Elon Musk makes despite the fact Tesla was 50% more profitable with better growth prospects than GM.
2. Biden’s Education department just handed Trump another easy win. By executive order this will be undone quickly and I guarantee that will be popular with most independents and even many Dems. Hell, I hate Trump and will support him for undoing this stupidity.
3. This will just force the big payments to stay unregulated via NIL boosters. This is the opposite of what I believe should happen around salary caps and schools picking up everything but the endorsements. This will only exacerbate the discrepancy between the top few NIL programs (Oregon, Ohio State, etc) and the rest.
4. A secondary effects might be LESS money overall for female athletes as I imagine most schools would try to keep payments in the NIL sphere to avoid having to lower outlays to the football team…thus making a much smaller pool for the women

I’m all for gender fairness, but what is fair is to make the payments proportional to the economic value they bring in. We can argue why society values men’s sports more than women’s, but that is just the practical reality at the moment.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

So to summarize my understanding: the department of education is going to force schools to pay the same amount of money to female athletes as they do to male athletes (not individually, but in aggregate). So if male athletes at a school get paid $10M than females need to get $10M…is that right?

If so, that is asinine on so many levels:

1. The men’s teams earn more full stop. I love women’s basketball, but not everyone does and there is no women’s sport that is anywhere close to the popularity of football. Forcing equal pay for grown adults despite the obvious differences in product popularity is asinine. It’s like saying GM should be forced to pay Mary Barra the same amount as Elon Musk makes despite the fact Tesla was 50% more profitable with better growth prospects than GM.
2. Biden’s Education department just handed Trump another easy win. By executive order this will be undone quickly and I guarantee that will be popular with most independents and even many Dems. Hell, I hate Trump and will support him for undoing this stupidity.
3. This will just force the big payments to stay unregulated via NIL boosters. This is the opposite of what I believe should happen around salary caps and schools picking up everything but the endorsements. This will only exacerbate the discrepancy between the top few NIL programs (Oregon, Ohio State, etc) and the rest.
4. A secondary effects will actually might be LESS money overall for female athletes as I imagine most schools would try to keep payments in the NIL sphere to avoid having to lower outlays to the football team…thus making a much smaller pool for the women

I’m all for gender fairness, but what is fair is to make the payments proportional to the economic value they bring in. We can argue why society values men’s sports more than women’s, but that is just the practical reality at the moment.

Sounds like Communism to me.

NIL is not supposed to have anything to do with the schools. I know that’s obviously bullshit, but it’s also bullshit to force NIL collectives to share equally among women’s and men’s sports. There is a reason college athletics is a lucrative business, and it’s not because of volleyball or women’s gymnastics.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Gotta love grandstanding woke.

The women’s crew and for that matter men’s track members already get way more than they deserve in facilities and academic assistance.

Schools can likely get around with fancy legal tricks.

 

[MikeyHawk]

So to summarize my understanding: the department of education is going to force schools to pay the same amount of money to female athletes as they do to male athletes (not individually, but in aggregate). So if male athletes at a school get paid $10M than females need to get $10M…is that right?

If so, that is asinine on so many levels:

1. The men’s teams earn more full stop. I love women’s basketball, but not everyone does and there is no women’s sport that is anywhere close to the popularity of football. Forcing equal pay for grown adults despite the obvious differences in product popularity is asinine. It’s like saying GM should be forced to pay Mary Barra the same amount as Elon Musk makes despite the fact Tesla was 50% more profitable with better growth prospects than GM.
2. Biden’s Education department just handed Trump another easy win. By executive order this will be undone quickly and I guarantee that will be popular with most independents and even many Dems. Hell, I hate Trump and will support him for undoing this stupidity.
3. This will just force the big payments to stay unregulated via NIL boosters. This is the opposite of what I believe should happen around salary caps and schools picking up everything but the endorsements. This will only exacerbate the discrepancy between the top few NIL programs (Oregon, Ohio State, etc) and the rest.
4. A secondary effects might be LESS money overall for female athletes as I imagine most schools would try to keep payments in the NIL sphere to avoid having to lower outlays to the football team…thus making a much smaller pool for the women

I’m all for gender fairness, but what is fair is to make the payments proportional to the economic value they bring in. We can argue why society values men’s sports more than women’s, but that is just the practical reality at the moment.

Great summary. Basing the revenue sharing on participation levels is wrong, but, not surprising coming from the Biden team

 

[Ree4]

Sounds like Communism to me.

NIL is not supposed to have anything to do with the schools. I know that’s obviously bullshit, but it’s also bullshit to force NIL collectives to share equally among women’s and men’s sports. There is a reason college athletics is a lucrative business, and it’s not because of volleyball or women’s gymnastics.

Not even close - money doesn't exist in communism. It sounds exactly like revenue sharing in a capitalist system, which is exactly what it is.

 

[millah_22]

So to summarize my understanding: the department of education is going to force schools to pay the same amount of money to female athletes as they do to male athletes (not individually, but in aggregate). So if male athletes at a school get paid $10M than females need to get $10M…is that right?

If so, that is asinine on so many levels:

1. The men’s teams earn more full stop. I love women’s basketball, but not everyone does and there is no women’s sport that is anywhere close to the popularity of football. Forcing equal pay for grown adults despite the obvious differences in product popularity is asinine. It’s like saying GM should be forced to pay Mary Barra the same amount as Elon Musk makes despite the fact Tesla was 50% more profitable with better growth prospects than GM.
2. Biden’s Education department just handed Trump another easy win. By executive order this will be undone quickly and I guarantee that will be popular with most independents and even many Dems. Hell, I hate Trump and will support him for undoing this stupidity.
3. This will just force the big payments to stay unregulated via NIL boosters. This is the opposite of what I believe should happen around salary caps and schools picking up everything but the endorsements. This will only exacerbate the discrepancy between the top few NIL programs (Oregon, Ohio State, etc) and the rest.
4. A secondary effects might be LESS money overall for female athletes as I imagine most schools would try to keep payments in the NIL sphere to avoid having to lower outlays to the football team…thus making a much smaller pool for the women

I’m all for gender fairness, but what is fair is to make the payments proportional to the economic value they bring in. We can argue why society values men’s sports more than women’s, but that is just the practical reality at the moment.

This is just for money from the school/financial assistance.

Any real NIL cash is always coming from outside/collectives. Oregon/Ohio state, etc, that's all coming from collectives. Swarm doesn't have to abide by these rules, just the university.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

"If I can't have it, neither can you"


I'm fine with stopping all payments to everyone if they want to go this route

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

So to summarize my understanding: the department of education is going to force schools to pay the same amount of money to female athletes as they do to male athletes (not individually, but in aggregate). So if male athletes at a school get paid $10M than females need to get $10M…is that right?

If so, that is asinine on so many levels:

1. The men’s teams earn more full stop. I love women’s basketball, but not everyone does and there is no women’s sport that is anywhere close to the popularity of football. Forcing equal pay for grown adults despite the obvious differences in product popularity is asinine. It’s like saying GM should be forced to pay Mary Barra the same amount as Elon Musk makes despite the fact Tesla was 50% more profitable with better growth prospects than GM.
2. Biden’s Education department just handed Trump another easy win. By executive order this will be undone quickly and I guarantee that will be popular with most independents and even many Dems. Hell, I hate Trump and will support him for undoing this stupidity.
3. This will just force the big payments to stay unregulated via NIL boosters. This is the opposite of what I believe should happen around salary caps and schools picking up everything but the endorsements. This will only exacerbate the discrepancy between the top few NIL programs (Oregon, Ohio State, etc) and the rest.
4. A secondary effects might be LESS money overall for female athletes as I imagine most schools would try to keep payments in the NIL sphere to avoid having to lower outlays to the football team…thus making a much smaller pool for the women

I’m all for gender fairness, but what is fair is to make the payments proportional to the economic value they bring in. We can argue why society values men’s sports more than women’s, but that is just the practical reality at the moment.

Great post. This is stupid.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Not even close - money doesn't exist in communism. It sounds exactly like revenue sharing in a capitalist system, which is exactly what it is.

Let me clarify: the intended or stated purpose of Communism—equal sharing of money and resources.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

This is just for money from the school/financial assistance.

Any real NIL cash is always coming from outside/collectives. Oregon/Ohio state, etc, that's all coming from collectives. Swarm doesn't have to abide by these rules, just the university.

True, but the principle of the ruling is silly

 

[millah_22]

True, but the principle of the ruling is silly

I agree with you, at the surface it seems a little much.

I do think it won't be too much of an issue if the athletic department has accountants worth their salt that can move money where it will need to be.

However, just from the outrage at the moment, I'm sure it will be reversed.

 

[SalAunese]

Biden has nothing to do with this statement. It's just grandstanding by a few people within the DeptofEd, who lack self-awareness. This won't pass muster in the courts

 

[Ree4]

Let me clarify: the intended or stated purpose of Communism—equal sharing of money and resources.

If you start and end with a one sentence google definition - I guess.

Judicious sharing would be a better word. It doesn't refer to equality of outcome but equal and free access to the articles of consumption. The public would collectively decide how to disburse the resources and, in this case, clearly most of us think the production of male sports are more deserving. I don't want to derail the thread but wanted to address your analogy.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

If you start and end with a one sentence google definition - I guess.

Judicious sharing would be a better word. It doesn't refer to equality of outcome but equal and free access to the articles of consumption. The public would collectively decide how to disburse the resources and, in this case, clearly most of us think the production of male sports are more deserving. I don't want to derail the thread but wanted to address your analogy.

Okay, thank you.

I don’t dispute what you’re saying, but in context I am not sure how that relates to the OP. I skimmed, and therefore could be off base, but it sounded to me they were referencing Title IX as reason for a 50/50 split between women and men’s sports.

Isn’t that principally the main idea of Communism?

 

[mnole03]

Great summary. Basing the revenue sharing on participation levels is wrong, but, not surprising coming from the Biden team

It’s interesting you blame Biden instead of the NCAA for clinging to the charade they aren’t running professional sports leagues.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

This is just for money from the school/financial assistance.

Any real NIL cash is always coming from outside/collectives. Oregon/Ohio state, etc, that's all coming from collectives. Swarm doesn't have to abide by these rules, just the university.

I was under the impression that starting next year the schools will be paying substantially more to the athletes and my hope was that something would be done to reduce the non-endorsement money coming from the collectives. So I thought the schools were going to be making much higher payments in the future.

Either way this is on the dumber side of things coming from DC and that is saying something.

 

[Tom Paris]

Gotta love grandstanding woke.

The women’s crew and for that matter men’s track members already get way more than they deserve in facilities and academic assistance.

Schools can likely get around with fancy legal tricks.

I think people should be able to donate their NIL funds however they want and the government should stay out of it. Whether it goes to a football program or if a doctor donates millions to build a facility for the women's crew team. I hate NIL, care about Title IX and equality, but this is the Wild West now, and people should have some say in where their contributions go. Government overreach here IMO.

 

[ping72]

This is literally the way the law reads. Don’t be mad at them, have Congress change the law if you think it’s dumb.

 

[mnole03]

I was under the impression that starting next year the schools will be paying substantially more to the athletes and my hope was that something would be done to reduce the non-endorsement money coming from the collectives. So I thought the schools were going to be making much higher payments in the future.

Either way this is on the dumber side of things coming from DC and that is saying something.

The NCAA needs to admit what they’re doing and sever professional sports from amateur ones. They need to ask Congress to pass a law and get a CBA.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

This is literally the way the law reads. Don’t be mad at them, have Congress change the law if you think it’s dumb.

Yeah, I read this less as an opinion on how things should work(as if there would ever be a concensus), and more of a warning that the plan seems to violate the Constitution.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

The NCAA needs to admit what they’re doing and sever professional sports from amateur ones. They need to ask Congress to pass a law and get a CBA.

Or athletics need to be done away with within public education systems. That seems to be the only real way to avoid having to be title 9 compliant.

 

[ping72]

Or athletics need to be done away with within public education systems. That seems to be the only real way to avoid having to be title 9 compliant.

Keep in mind that this comes from a former college athlete… But when you really sit down and think about it, the idea of an athletic scholarship to attend a university is kind of weird.

 

[MikeyHawk]

It’s interesting you blame Biden instead of the NCAA for clinging to the charade they aren’t running professional sports leagues.

Biden is the President and knows what the Dept of Ed is doing.

What does this guidance have to do with the NCAA and some charade? The NCAA agreed to this as part of a settlement.

Must defend my team at all times..

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Once the zoo gates are left open.....you can expect the zoo to become chaos

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Keep in mind that this comes from a former college athlete… But when you really sit down and think about it, the idea of an athletic scholarship to attend a university is kind of weird.

It sure seems strange now in men's bball and football.

I wonder what the fallout of these changes will be for Olympic sports in America? Those scholarships and NCAA competitions are going to struggle immensely if not subsidized.

 

[mnole03]

Biden is the President and knows what the Dept of Ed is doing.

What does this guidance have to do with the NCAA and some charade? The NCAA agreed to this as part of a settlement.

Must defend my team at all times..

Biden is treating the NCAA the way they portray themselves, as school administered sports for the educational benefit of student athletes. There’s always been revenue sharing. They were called scholarships.

The whole thing is ridiculous. These are professional sports that have nothing to do with the academic mission of the school. Sever football and basketball from the athletic department. Treat players as employees.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Biden is the President and knows what the Dept of Ed is doing.

What does this guidance have to do with the NCAA and some charade? The NCAA agreed to this as part of a settlement.

Must defend my team at all times..

The NCAA's agreements don't necessarily make them legal.

 

[Ree4]

Okay, thank you.

I don’t dispute what you’re saying, but in context I am not sure how that relates to the OP. I skimmed, and therefore could be off base, but it sounded to me they were referencing Title IX as reason for a 50/50 split between women and men’s sports.

Isn’t that principally the main idea of Communism?

Yeah I don't believe your analogy relates to the OP which is why I jumped in. I appreciate that you're asking questions rather than most of the numpties who refuse to learn anything about our designated boogeyman.

Communism is not about distribution at all. It’s about common, collective, or social control of the means of production. The biggest difference is between capitalism and communism is that the people actually doing the work, not the capital owners, decide how to divide goods - nobody gets rich by simply owning something (like a factory owner or landlord). The economy is much more democratic and less oligarchic/authoritarian like it is now.

Hard work is actually rewarded - the more you work, the more responsibility you have, the more important skills you have the more "money/status/perks" you receive or have access to. So to put it bluntly, your pay depends on your contribution to society, and “perks” are often more important than cash payments

As I mentioned earlier, it's more about social equality - not equality of outcome but equality of opportunity. An analogy with the current system is that poor folks would have access to the same higher education that wealthy would. Talent, not money or class, determines success.

I'm a student of all types of economic systems and communism is easily the most misunderstood of all of them, simply because it is generally not taught in the US. I'm not necessarily an advocate but I do find it interesting, especially given all of the obvious challenges that our current system faces. It's incredibly hard for us to imagine because the current system is the only one we know.

I don't believe in handouts or those that don't contribute to society being rewarded, but that's precisely the system we have now. We all know somebody like this. Owning something is more rewarding than work.

 

[Hammerhead02]

Gotta love grandstanding woke.

The women’s crew and for that matter men’s track members already get way more than they deserve in facilities and academic assistance.

Schools can likely get around with fancy legal tricks.

Blame Nixon.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Yeah I don't believe your analogy relates to the OP which is why I jumped in. I appreciate that you're asking questions rather than most of the numpties who refuse to learn anything about our designated boogeyman.

Communism is not about distribution at all. It’s about common, collective, or social control of the means of production. The biggest difference is between capitalism and communism is that the people actually doing the work, not the capital owners, decide how to divide goods - nobody gets rich by simply owning something (like a factory owner or landlord). The economy is much more democratic and less oligarchic/authoritarian like it is now.

Hard work is actually rewarded - the more you work, the more responsibility you have, the more important skills you have the more "money/status/perks" you receive or have access to. So to put it bluntly, your pay depends on your contribution to society, and “perks” are often more important than cash payments

As I mentioned earlier, it's more about social equality - not equality of outcome but equality of opportunity. An analogy with the current system is that poor folks would have access to the same higher education that wealthy would. Talent, not money or class, determines success.

I'm a student of all types of economic systems and communism is easily the most misunderstood of all of them, simply because it is generally not taught in the US. I'm not necessarily an advocate but I do find it interesting, especially given all of the obvious challenges that our current system faces. It's incredibly hard for us to imagine because the current system is the only one we know.

I don't believe in handouts or those that don't contribute to society being rewarded, but that's precisely the system we have now. We all know somebody like this. Owning something is more rewarding than work.

I mean, I understand what a command economy is and how the government has full control of the means of production and answers the three basic economic questions of what to produce, how to produce it, and for whom. When I made the comment. I wasn’t planning on having an in-depth analysis over the economic continuum and where traditional communism falls.

I appreciate your perspective, but I think we’ve gone off track quite a bit.

 

[Ree4]

I mean, I understand what a command economy is and how the government has full control of the means of production and answers the three basic economic questions of what to produce, how to produce it, and for whom. When I made the comment. I wasn’t planning on having an in-depth analysis over the economic continuum and where traditional communism falls.

I appreciate your perspective, but I think we’ve gone off track quite a bit.

There's no government under communism.. Like I said, I didn't want to derail the thread, just wanted to say your analogy was... off. Carry on!

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

There's no government under communism

No worries.

I’m curious what you mean by that.

 

[thewop]

It's just a trap for Trump so he can do away with it and they can scream women's rights, misogynist, etc. etc...

Same old shit

 

[Jerome Silberman]

It's just a trap for Trump so he can do away with it and they can scream women's rights, misogynist, etc. etc...

Same old shit

 

[Ree4]

No worries.

I’m curious what you mean by that.

The end goal and actual achievement of communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. There is no state, no government.

 

[Hammerhead02]

I was under the impression that starting next year the schools will be paying substantially more to the athletes and my hope was that something would be done to reduce the non-endorsement money coming from the collectives. So I thought the schools were going to be making much higher payments in the future.

Either way this is on the dumber side of things coming from DC and that is saying something.

I am not a huge fan of Title IX because of what it has done to Olympics sports but this is the law. It sucks but university funds distributed to athletes is definitely a Title IX issue. This is what the athletes have asked for. They had to of know the consequences. As already stated, this is a drop in the barrel compared to outside funding.

 

[thewop]

Is this a woudja thread now?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

The end goal and actual achievement of communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. There is no state, no government.

Okay, I gotchu.

In its purest form, perhaps. But name one actual Communist country that wasn’t run by a dictator and where the government didn’t control everything.

And obviously no Communist nation in a state of “equality” would survive unless the people were entirely robotic.