Big 12's Bowlsby: “If we do nothing, 12 yrs from now, we'll be $20M/school behind the SEC & B1G"

[whatsup13579er]

Big 12 isn't going anywhere imo. I think this is more wishful thinking by hawk fans.

If you're not improving, you are losing. The B1G, SEC, and PAC12 have all made major improvements to their league. The ACC has also improved.

I don't think you can say that about the Big XII. Are they better off with TCU and West Virginia instead of Nebraska, Colorado, Texas AM and Missouri? They don't have a TV network.

Of the P5 conferences the B1G, SEC and PAC12 are the strongest. Then you have the ACC and then you have the Big XII and they're way behind.

 

[grosie#2]

You really cannot read, can you? In the sense of comprehending the words, I mean. You're making no sense at all, and you appear to be arguing with someone who is invisible.

Question (again): Where do you think the Big XII ranks in terms of TV revenues compared with the other P5 conferences? Hint: The answer is one reason I made the remark about the amount of misinformation in this thread.

The Big 12 isn't what it use to be and they are becoming less important than the other power 5 conferences. The slide started when they lost Texas A&M, Missouri, and didn't replace them. Then they lost their championship game and without 2 divisions will never have one of importance. As the 4 team playoffs become more important and in their current form, the Big 12 continues to find it harder to get in or miss them all together, the league becomes the MAC as Texas and Oklahoma leave. It's hard for clone fans to look to the future when they live so much in the past.

 

[Franisdaman]

You really cannot read, can you? In the sense of comprehending the words, I mean. You're making no sense at all, and you appear to be arguing with someone who is invisible.

Question (again): Where do you think the Big XII ranks in terms of TV revenues compared with the other P5 conferences? Hint: The answer is one reason I made the remark about the amount of misinformation in this thread.

Lonely Clown,

The issue is whether the Big 12 is going to survive if Oklahoma does not get the 3 things it wants:
* 2 more teams to get to 12 teams
* Big 12 Network (but will Texas go along with this?)
* A football conference championship game.

The article in the original post just states where revenues will be 12 years from now if things do not change. It is just one more article of the many out there that discuss that the Big 12 must make changes or its members, like Oklahoma, will look elsewhere.

I know you are old and senile, but hopefully my post here helps.

BTW, why are you here?

 

[Franisdaman]

I've read several articles stating that OU wanted changes in order to stay in the league. Also this has been going around for over a yr. The smoke fire thing, means for u meatheads, that the rumor the Big 12 is gone has been out there enough that there maybe some truth to it. I also heard on the Rick Nueheisel sport show that his sources had college football going down to 4 power conferences and some think 3. If that be the case then the Big 12 would be the first to go. I could care about the OP's article. I was stating my opinion. The most ignorant comments r the ones most of the clone trolls come up with trying to prove they're smarter then everyone else.

Lonely Clown clearly doesn't understand what the "smoke means fire" phrase means.

I know he is old, but he surely is not this stupid, is he?

And why is he here? Shouldn't he be positing his 1,000's upon 1,000's of crappy messages on CyCLOWN Fanatic and not on here?

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

The BIG 12 is going to dissolve it isn't a question of if but when it does. The writing is on the wall. Head in sand ISU fans.

 

[Run&Blade]

The BIG 12 is going to dissolve it isn't a question of if but when it does. The writing is on the wall. Head in sand ISU fans.

Or live on like big east basketball. A shell of its former self.

 

[5Fan5]

Big 12 isn't going anywhere imo. I think this is more wishful thinking by hawk fans.

You may be right. Conventional thought, however, says that the current model of the big xii cannot survive. Everything points to a system of divisions, conference championship games and the now in place four-team football playoff. A ten team league that now features a 61,000 (?) seat venue as its third largest capacity football stadium does not bode well for the direction everything else seems to be heading.

Hawk fans did not issue the statement from the Oklahoma administration nor did they make the comments attributed to the Athletic Commissioner of the big xii. I am the least proponent of anything written by the likes of Dennis Dodd, but there is no denying that there is unrest with the current state of the big xii. Many things can happen to stave off total demise, but the question is will it happen soon enought and will it ultimately be sufficient to allow the big xii to be an integral part of major college football. The jury is obviously still weighing in on that and it will be seen what shall happen. It is a fairly safe bet to say that something will have to change in order for the big xii to remain one of the primary conferences.

 

[camickle]

Enlighten us Lone Clone.

How DOES the BigXII rank in TV revenues?
How about total revenues per school?

 

[Lone Clone]

Lonely Clown,

The issue is whether the Big 12 is going to survive if Oklahoma does not get the 3 things it wants:
* 2 more teams to get to 12 teams
* Big 12 Network (but will Texas go along with this?)
* A football conference championship game.

The article in the original post just states where revenues will be 12 years from now if things do not change. It is just one more article of the many out there that discuss that the Big 12 must make changes or its members, like Oklahoma, will look elsewhere.

I know you are old and senile, but hopefully my post here helps.

BTW, why are you here?

Learn to read. Just a suggestion. You can start by asking your mother the definition of the word "if."

 

[Rustys Dad]

Honestly ... I couldn't give a rat's a88 about what conference ISU is in or if the Big 12 is still around in 10-20 years ... Nobody can predict the future ... Nobody would have predicted Penn State would join the Big 10 ... Or that Missouri would be in the SEC ... The world is changing all around us ... What happens to ISU ... Oklahoma ... doesn't matter ... I like where the Big 10 is now ... and choose to worry about my own back yard ... Just sayin'

 

[Lone Clone]

Enlighten us Lone Clone.

How DOES the BigXII rank in TV revenues?
How about total revenues per school?

The last figures I saw had the Big XII second to the SEC in per-school revenues from the conference.

In TV revenues, only, the latest figures I've seen are from 2014, which showed the average Big XII school at $26.2 million, second to the BiG at $26.5 million. I don't think that includes third-tier revenues, though -- although I'm not sure.

Third-tier is the games that aren't picked up by the networks. The Big XII teams retain rights to those games. This was an accommodation made to allow Texas to keep the LHN, but it worked out well for other members, as well. For example, it's the reason Cyclone fans could watch all their team's men's basketball games live this year while Hawkeye fans could not.

You have to be really careful with comparisons. The third-tier deal is one reason, but there's also the fact that some conferences are just starting new contracts while others are completing contracts that will presumably be increased when they are renewed. So what the numbers were last year might not be the same as what they will be this year or next year. For example, there is one comparison that shows the SEC dead last, and nobody thinks that's an accurate indication.

 

[Lone Clone]

Honestly ... I couldn't give a rat's a88 about what conference ISU is in or if the Big 12 is still around in 10-20 years ... Nobody can predict the future ... Nobody would have predicted Penn State would join the Big 10 ... Or that Missouri would be in the SEC ... The world is changing all around us ... What happens to ISU ... Oklahoma ... doesn't matter ... I like where the Big 10 is now ... and choose to worry about my own back yard ... Just sayin'

This post makes a great deal of sense. Hope you don't get banned.

 

[Franisdaman]

Learn to read. Just a suggestion. You can start by asking your mother the definition of the word "if."

why are you here?

why do you think you are smarter than everyone on this board?

I know you are senile, old, and forgetful, but once again:

The issue is whether the Big 12 is going to survive if Oklahoma does not get the 3 things it wants:
* 2 more teams to get to 12 teams
* Big 12 Network (but will Texas go along with this?)
* A football conference championship game.

The article in the original post just states where revenues will be 12 years from now if things do not change. And if Oklahoma does not not get the 3 things it wants (listed above), Oklahoma (and most likely, the Big 12) won't be around 12 years from now. Simple as that. It is just one more article of the many out there that discuss that the Big 12 must make changes or its members, like Oklahoma, will look elsewhere.

I know you are old and senile, but hopefully my post here and the repetition of my points helps you where some of this information sticks in your long term memory.

Please read this post at least 10 times; I then hope that you retain some of this information.

And then leave this board for good. CyCLOWN Fanatic deserves individuals like you.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

The last figures I saw had the Big XII second to the SEC in per-school revenues from the conference.

In TV revenues, only, the latest figures I've seen are from 2014, which showed the average Big XII school at $26.2 million, second to the BiG at $26.5 million. I don't think that includes third-tier revenues, though -- although I'm not sure.

Third-tier is the games that aren't picked up by the networks. The Big XII teams retain rights to those games. This was an accommodation made to allow Texas to keep the LHN, but it worked out well for other members, as well. For example, it's the reason Cyclone fans could watch all their team's men's basketball games live this year while Hawkeye fans could not.

You have to be really careful with comparisons. The third-tier deal is one reason, but there's also the fact that some conferences are just starting new contracts while others are completing contracts that will presumably be increased when they are renewed. So what the numbers were last year might not be the same as what they will be this year or next year. For example, there is one comparison that shows the SEC dead last, and nobody thinks that's an accurate indication.

Nope, B10 is at $30.9M per school, B12 at $25.6M. Plus B10 revenues per school are projected to hit $40M while B12 schools are just holding steady. And it's hilarious that you're bragging about third tier rights, I can't think of a single Iowa game I didn't get to watch this year, maybe one early season game that wasn't at least on ESPN3 but I'm not remembering any. And yeah you can watch all of ISU's games if you're one of the couple hundred people who have the Cyclone network. Bet that brings in at least $1,000/year extra for ISU!

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...-the-sec-big-12-and-big-ten-projections-only/

 

[Lone Clone]

Nope, B10 is at $30.9M per school, B12 at $25.6M. Plus B10 revenues per school are projected to hit $40M while B12 schools are just holding steady. And it's hilarious that you're bragging about third tier rights, I can't think of a single Iowa game I didn't get to watch this year, maybe one early season game that wasn't at least on ESPN3 but I'm not remembering any. And yeah you can watch all of ISU's games if you're one of the couple hundred people who have the Cyclone network. Bet that brings in at least $1,000/year extra for ISU!

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...-the-sec-big-12-and-big-ten-projections-only/

And the blog you linked says "critical note: Does not include Tier 3 revenues." Apparently LC isn't the only person who thinks Tier 3 rights are important.

As the linked article in the OP says, those rights amount to at least $75 million for the Big XII that isn't reflected in the numbers. If the numbers you cite here are correct, that would put the average Big XII per-team TV revenue at $33.1 million....average, not uniform. Obviously Texas would get more from Tier 3 rights than ISU. I don't know how much ISU gets from those rights. I would bet it's a hell of a lot more than $1,000.

I don't know how many Iowa games weren't available, even online, this year. I remember people bitching here about it more than once. That was not the case before the creation of the BTN. All the ISU games were available live, either on a regular cable channel or streamed, almost always in HD. And all the conference games are available on one of the primary ESPN channels (ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU).

In any case, don't make the same mistakes franisdamned insists on making. I'm not arguing against any of the points in the OP, necessarily. To the contrary, I stressed I was not suggesting the Big XII won't make major changes. I merely pointed out that a number of statements by posters in this thread weren't correct. As has been made manifestly clear by subsequent posts. One of the erroneous statements implied the Big XII doesn't have a good TV contract. Another is that OU is somehow laying down requirements for staying.

The piece linked in the OP doesn't list reasons the Big XII is going to fail; it lists reasons the conference is going to make changes. Some on this board are unable or unwilling to grasp that basic distinction (not talking about you in this case).

I also pointed out that you have to be very careful comparing numbers because there are a lot of different ways to categorize revenues. Here's link to one story about the subject:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...ferences-in-college-sports-2014/#1b3c9576145c

 

[Lone Clone]

why are you here?

why do you think you are smarter than everyone on this board?

I know you are senile, old, and forgetful, but once again:

The issue is whether the Big 12 is going to survive if Oklahoma does not get the 3 things it wants:
* 2 more teams to get to 12 teams
* Big 12 Network (but will Texas go along with this?)
* A football conference championship game.

The article in the original post just states where revenues will be 12 years from now if things do not change. And if Oklahoma does not not get the 3 things it wants (listed above), Oklahoma (and most likely, the Big 12) won't be around 12 years from now. Simple as that. It is just one more article of the many out there that discuss that the Big 12 must make changes or its members, like Oklahoma, will look elsewhere.

I know you are old and senile, but hopefully my post here and the repetition of my points helps you where some of this information sticks in your long term memory.

Please read this post at least 10 times; I then hope that you retain some of this information.

And then leave this board for good. CyCLOWN Fanatic deserves individuals like you.

Yes, if the Big XII makes no changes, it probably will not exist in 12 years. Likewise, if you don't breathe in the next hour, you probably not exist tomorrow. That is not the same as predicting you will be dead tomorrow. You don't have to be old to understand simple words.

 

[Franisdaman]

Yes, if the Big XII makes no changes, it probably will not exist in 12 years. Likewise, if you don't breathe in the next hour, you probably not exist tomorrow. That is not the same as predicting you will be dead tomorrow. You don't have to be old to understand simple words.

Poor, poor Lonely Clown.

You are old. You are senile. We know that much. I know you are trying to be funny but you are simply a waste of time.

One thing we don't know: Why are you here? Will you ever answer that question? Nobody wants you here or likes you. Do you understand this or you too senile to comprehend anything?

Hopefully you are gone from this board much sooner than the Big 12 is gone.

CyCLOWN Fanatic needs your "wisdom." Leave us and join your fellow CLOWNS.

Deal? Surely you can understand these simple words. If now, re-read this post until you do.

Bye, Clown.