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Big Ten, SEC form advisory group as conferences' bond tightens

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B1G & SEC leadership are starting to formally look into peeling off P5 football from the NCAA.

This comes on the heels of the AGs in Tennessee and Virginia filing suit against the NCAA>.

The writing has been on the wall for some time.


Link - ESPN: Big Ten, SEC form advisory group as conferences' bond tightens

The Big Ten and SEC have formed a joint advisory group of university presidents, chancellors and athletic directors to "address the significant challenges facing college athletics" and how to improve the student-athlete experience, the conferences announced Friday.

The move is significant because it reflects a growing relationship between the two largest and wealthiest conferences and their respective commissioners as the balance of power continues to tilt in their favor in the evolving collegiate landscape.

Sources have told ESPN that Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti and SEC commissioner Greg Sankey have been working closely together -- more than their predecessors had -- at a time when conference expansion has further separated their leagues from the other FBS conferences. The SEC will welcome Oklahoma and Texas this summer, while the Big Ten will add Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA from a Pac-12 that is on the verge of extinction.

The advisory group waa formed in reaction to "recent court decisions, pending litigation, a patchwork of state laws and complex governance proposals", according to the Big Ten's news release.


"The Big Ten and the SEC have substantial investment in the NCAA and there is no question that the voices of our two conferences are integral to governance and other reform efforts," Petitti said in a statement. "We recognize the similarity in our circumstances, as well as the urgency to address the common challenges we face."

The Big Ten-SEC advisory group will act as a consultant to the leagues but won't have authority to implement changes. Its composition and timetable and the specific issues it will tackle are still unclear. What it has done, though, is further bind the two behemoths together.
 
The two conferences have been working in unison. This has very much all been by design to some degree and they will continue to work together. The disdain each conference has for each other is fan oriented. The NCAA has been a paper tiger for 40+ years. It's not just starting to peel away now, it's been what has been occurring during the same period of time.

I'm just glad people are now more and more becoming aware of what college football actually is. It's good for Iowa going forward. Not so much for the ISUs of the world...oh wells.
 
The two conferences have been working in unison. This has very much all been by design to some degree and they will continue to work together. The disdain each conference has for each other is fan oriented. The NCAA has been a paper tiger for 40+ years. It's not just starting to peel away now, it's been what has been occurring during the same period of time.

I'm just glad people are now more and more becoming aware of what college football actually is. It's good for Iowa going forward. Not so much for the ISUs of the world...oh wells.
The B1G has a seven year, $8 Billion TV deal that runs through '29 - '30. That was put in place before west coast expansion was decide upon, so there are additional Pac 12 dollars to be negotiated.

The SEC has a 10 year ESPN deal starting in '24 and running through ''34 that is valued at $3 billion.
 
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The B1G has a seven year, $8 Billion TV deal that runs through '29 - '30. That was put in place before west coast expansion was decide upon, so there are additional Pac 12 dollars to be negotiated.

The SEC has a 10 year ESPN deal starting in '24 and running through ''34 that is valued at $3 billion.
Yep.
 
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The powers that be are being very, very serious.

The presidents allow the NCAA to exist, and they can modify that relationship as deemed fit.

The only real reason the NCAA came into existence was to protect the concept of the "student athlete" in court. Those days have passed by.

FBS football is a $6 billion a year industry.

Break P5 football off, establish a new structure with a commissioner, clear up NIL and transfer portal, fast track rules violation investigations and develop a punitive fining structure including bigger $$$ and banning participation in CFP and Bowl System.
 
The only real reason the NCAA came into existence was to protect the concept of the "student athlete" in court. Those days have passed by.

The NCAA came into being because early in the early 1900s, player deaths and cheating were extremely common.

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The NCAA, a member-led organization, was founded in 1906 to regulate the rules of college sport and protect young athletes.

At the start of the 20th century, mass formations and gang tackling gave football a reputation as a brutal sport. During the 1904 season alone, there were 18 deaths and 159 serious injuries on the field. At the college level, hired players not enrolled in school often filled out rosters. Some colleges and universities halted football on their campuses. The public outcry grew for the sport to be reformed or abolished.

In October 1905, President Theodore Roosevelt, a longtime football fan, called together athletics leaders from some of the top football schools — Harvard, Princeton and Yale — and urged them to clean up the game. As football deaths and injuries continued to mount during the 1905 season, New York University Chancellor Henry M. MacCracken convened a meeting of 13 schools in December to reform football playing rules. Soon after, on Dec. 28 in New York, 62 colleges and universities became charter members of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States, the precursor to the NCAA.

The IAAUS officially was constituted as a rules-making body March 31, 1906, and in 1910 was renamed the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Just over a decade later, the Association expanded its focus to host its first national championship: the National Collegiate Track and Field Championships in 1921. Many others followed, including a basketball championship in 1939.

 
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The powers that be are being very, very serious.

The presidents allow the NCAA to exist, and they can modify that relationship as deemed fit.

The only real reason the NCAA came into existence was to protect the concept of the "student athlete" in court. Those days have passed by.

FBS football is a $6 billion a year industry.

Break P5 football off, establish a new structure with a commissioner, clear up NIL and transfer portal, fast track rules violation investigations and develop a punitive fining structure including bigger $$$ and banning participation in CFP and Bowl System.
No, not break P5 (P4?) off. Break P2 off. B1G & SEC are planning to create new division, possibly w/paid athletes.

I think breaking off the P5 made sense once, but now with the Pac 10 gone, and B12 sliding into G5 territory as just a bunch of littles, the P2 conferences could pick and choose no more than a half dozen or so more schools and become a pretty formidable 36-42ish team division, with their own playoffs, etc.
 
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Possible future Iowa schedule:

Northern Illinois
Illinois St
Iowa St
Vanderbilt
Wisconsin
Indiana
Minnesota
Mississippi St
Purdue
Illinois
Maryland
Nebraska
 
No, not break P5 (P4?) off. Break P2 off. B1G & SEC are planning to create new division, possibly w/paid athletes.

I think breaking off the P5 made sense once, but now with the Pac 10 gone, and B12 sliding into G5 territory as just a bunch of littles, the P2 conferences could pick and choose no more than a half dozen or so more schools and become a pretty formidable 36-42ish team division, with their own playoffs, etc.
There have been rumblings of this. The SEC and B1G uniting and forming something similar to the NFL whereby there’d be two conferences with different divisions within them, and they’d have a playoff and title game at the end of the season. Have also heard they’d poach schools like Clemson, Florida State, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame and a few others… and the rest of the Big 12 and ACC teams would be considered more like the “minor leagues” of college football kinda like the MAC, Mountain West, etc.
 
The NCAA came into being because early in the early 1900s, player deaths and cheating were extremely common.

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The NCAA, a member-led organization, was founded in 1906 to regulate the rules of college sport and protect young athletes.

At the start of the 20th century, mass formations and gang tackling gave football a reputation as a brutal sport. During the 1904 season alone, there were 18 deaths and 159 serious injuries on the field. At the college level, hired players not enrolled in school often filled out rosters. Some colleges and universities halted football on their campuses. The public outcry grew for the sport to be reformed or abolished.

In October 1905, President Theodore Roosevelt, a longtime football fan, called together athletics leaders from some of the top football schools — Harvard, Princeton and Yale — and urged them to clean up the game. As football deaths and injuries continued to mount during the 1905 season, New York University Chancellor Henry M. MacCracken convened a meeting of 13 schools in December to reform football playing rules. Soon after, on Dec. 28 in New York, 62 colleges and universities became charter members of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States, the precursor to the NCAA.

The IAAUS officially was constituted as a rules-making body March 31, 1906, and in 1910 was renamed the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Just over a decade later, the Association expanded its focus to host its first national championship: the National Collegiate Track and Field Championships in 1921. Many others followed, including a basketball championship in 1939.


Back in the day, it wasn't considered a successful football season unless there were at least 10 deaths.
 
There have been rumblings of this. The SEC and B1G uniting and forming something similar to the NFL whereby there’d be two conferences with different divisions within them, and they’d have a playoff and title game at the end of the season. Have also heard they’d poach schools like Clemson, Florida State, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame and a few others… and the rest of the Big 12 and ACC teams would be considered more like the “minor leagues” of college football kinda like the MAC, Mountain West, etc.
If they go down that path, say with 48 schools in this new conference, then they should strongly consider the relegation system like they do in English soccer.

24 Tier-1 schools playing for the "premier" league title and 24 Tier-2 schools playing for the "relegation" league title and working to move back into the "premier" league and.

4 "pods" of 6 schools per league. Bottom team in each Premier "pod" is relegated with the top team from each Relegation "pod" is promoted up to Premier. A Pod from each league could be tied to one another. Those 12 teams being regionally aligned as to maintain some form of regional continuity and keep majority of travel to away games somewhat feasible.

*Pods are also a good way to try and maintain regional rivalries.
 
If they go down that path, say with 48 schools in this new conference, then they should strongly consider the relegation system like they do in English soccer.

24 Tier-1 schools playing for the "premier" league title and 24 Tier-2 schools playing for the "relegation" league title and working to move back into the "premier" league and.

4 "pods" of 6 schools per league. Bottom team in each Premier "pod" is relegated with the top team from each Relegation "pod" is promoted up to Premier. A Pod from each league could be tied to one another. Those 12 teams being regionally aligned as to maintain some form of regional continuity and keep majority of travel to away games somewhat feasible.

*Pods are also a good way to try and maintain regional rivalries.

Only 24 schools in the premiere league wouldn’t bode well for a school like Iowa. I would be much more comfortable with 48 teams in that league.
 
The B1G has a seven year, $8 Billion TV deal that runs through '29 - '30. That was put in place before west coast expansion was decide upon, so there are additional Pac 12 dollars to be negotiated.

The SEC has a 10 year ESPN deal starting in '24 and running through ''34 that is valued at $3 billion.
What does the SEC get TV contract wise from their CBS package? That can many times be a 2:30 game and a 6:30 primetime game.
 
If they go down that path, say with 48 schools in this new conference, then they should strongly consider the relegation system like they do in English soccer.

24 Tier-1 schools playing for the "premier" league title and 24 Tier-2 schools playing for the "relegation" league title and working to move back into the "premier" league and.

4 "pods" of 6 schools per league. Bottom team in each Premier "pod" is relegated with the top team from each Relegation "pod" is promoted up to Premier. A Pod from each league could be tied to one another. Those 12 teams being regionally aligned as to maintain some form of regional continuity and keep majority of travel to away games somewhat feasible.

*Pods are also a good way to try and maintain regional rivalries.
We aint doing no LIMEY british thing over here in the states. Our first americans fought a war over not having tea and crumpets, bangers, fat sandwiches, and RELEGATION systems.

All 48 teams can play amongst themselves which relegates a top 8 or 12 for a championship bracket. The others need to get better next season, that is the americcan way, baby. Like Stanzi said "love it or leave it"
 
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Only 24 schools in the premiere league wouldn’t bode well for a school like Iowa. I would be much more comfortable with 48 teams in that league.

They might opt for 64 schools total, with 32 in each league...(4 pods of 8 in each league)...it actually makes more sense with those numbers come to think of it.
 
Many articles out there.

Happen next 3 years.
Just football. Maybe basketball later.
Other sports back to the regional conferences to cut travel costs.
Revenue sharing for players.
 
Many articles out there.

Happen next 3 years.
Just football. Maybe basketball later.
Other sports back to the regional conferences to cut travel costs.
Revenue sharing for players.
Just B1G and SEC schools or do they bring in additional schools from other confs?

If BBall comes later than you know they will want Kansas, Duke, Arizona, etc added.
 
At this rate, there's going to be a Power One. There's smoke about A&M being unhappy with the fact that Texas is now in the SEC, and they're kicking the B1G's tires. If they defect, and can bring another program with them (don't laugh, but I could see another school like Florida raise their hands up in the air and consider defection) it could be the death knell for the SEC. The B1G would have literally ALL the big markets cornered should they get a solid foothold in Texas and Florida.
 
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