Big Ten Seeds

[xjohnx]

Now that the Big 10s are next I am going to post how I think the seeds may shape up. I don't know how many will be seeded at each weight so I will do top 8, but here it goes.

125
1. Delgado - IL
2. Gilman - IA
3. Tomasello - OSU
4. Lambert - NE
5. Conaway - PSU
6. Youtsey - MI
7. White - NW
8. McCabe - R
U. Rogaliner - MSU
U. Lizak - MN
U. Polacek - MD
U. Welch - P
U. Jimenez - WI
U. NOBODY - IN

133
1. Dardanes - MN
2. Taylor - WI
3. Sabatello - P
4. Gulibon - PSU
5. Richards - IL
6. DiJulius - OSU
7. Clark - IA
8. DelVecchio - R
U. Bruno - MI
U. Shepherd - IN
U. Yenter - MSU
U. Montoya - NE
U. Malone NW
U. Alexander - MD

141
1. Stieber - OSU
2. Dardanes - MN
3. Abidin - NE
4. Ashnault - R
5. Dziewa - IA
6. Rodrigues - IL
7. Lawrence - P
8. Moss - PSU
U. Fisher - MI
U. Brown - IN
U. Gasca - MSU
U. Oster - NW
U. Brown - MD
U. Thielke - WI

149
1. Sorensen - IA
2. Tsirtsis - NW
3. Stieber - OSU
4. Pantaleo - MI
5. Theobold - R
6. Beitz - PSU
7. Lubeck - WI
8. Arthur - NE
U. Langenderfer - IL
U. Moody - IN
U. Trimble - MSU
U. Short - MN
U. Dorsay - MD
U. Nelson - P

157
1. Martinez - IL
2. Ness - MN
3. Green - NE
4. Murphy - MI
5. Welch - P
6. Perrotti - R
7. Demas - OSU
8. Kelly - IA
U. Blanton - IN
U. Curley - MSU
U. Sullivan - NW
U. Mascola - MD
U. Donar - WI
U. Frey - PSU

165
1. Jordan - WI
2. Jordan -OSU
3. Harger - NW
4. Walsh - IN
5. Morse - IL
6. Moore - IA
7. Hammond - PSU
8. Wanzek - MN
U. Wilson - NE
U. Sutton - MI
U. Wildmo - MSU
U. Manion - MD
U. Robinson - P
U. Visicaro - R

174
1. Kokesh - NE
2. Brown - PSU
3. Evans - IA
4. Storley - MN
5. Brunson - IL
6. Jackson - IN
7. Martin - OSU
8. Massa - MI
U. Proctor - MSU
U. Snook - MD
U. Welch - P
U. Cousins - WI
U. Bakuckas - R
U. NOBODY - NW

184
1. Brooks - IA
2. Abounader - MI
3. Courts - OSU
4. Pfarr - MN
5. Robertson - WI
6. Dudley - NE
7. McCutcheon - PSU
8. Reyes - IL
U. Irick - IN
U. Rizqallah - MSU
U. Sliga - NW
U. Gardner - MD
U. Kissel - P
U. Pafumi - R

197
1. Snyder - OSU
2. McIntosh - PSU
3. Schiller - MN
4. Burak - IA
5. Studebaker - NE
6. Huntley - MI
7. McCall - WI
8. Atwood - P
U. Polizzi - NW
U. Koepke - IL
U. Sheridon - IN
U. McDjarmid - MSU
U. Fitzgerald - MD
U. Hrymack - R

Hwt
1. Medbery - WI
2. McMullann - NW
3. Coon - MI
4. Telford - IA
5. Lawson - PSU
6. Myers - MD
7. Kroells - MN
8. Jensen - NE
U. Black - IL
U. Goldman - IN
U. Nash - MSU
U. Tavanello - OSU
U. Kral - P
U. Smith - R

This post was edited on 2/22 10:05 PM by xjohnx

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Amazing that Clark could end up the 7 seed at Big Tens. Dardanes may be just too powerful for him, but he's good enough to beat pretty much anyone in that weight class. Had some tough luck in dual meets that will certainly hurt his seed, though. If I'm a highly seeded 133-pounder, he's not a guy I'd want to be running into early in the tournament. He could seriously mess up that bracket.

 

[Vallholl]

Thanks for doing this. I read somewhere that the BTN only seeds to the # of qualifiers and since it was the internet, it has to be true. Any idea when we get the # of qualifiers per weight?

 

[hawkiniowacity]

Brands said today that the rankings for that are due Wednesday at 5PM, so I'd think we'll have it known by Thursday

 

[xjohnx]

IA- 2, 7, 5, 1, 8, 6, 3, 1, 4, 4
MN- U, 1, 2, U, 2, 8, 4, 4, 3, 7
PSU- 5, 4, 8, 6, U, 7, 2, 7, 2, 5
OSU- 3, 6, 1, 3, 7, 2, 7, 3, 1, U
IL- 1, 5, 6, U, 1, 5, 5, 8, U, U
MI- 6, U, U, 4, 4, U, 8, 2, 6, 3
NE- 4, U, 3, 8, 3, U, 1, 6, 5, 8
NW- 7, U, U, 2, U, 3, U, U, U, 2
R- 8, 8, 4, 5, 6, U, U, U, U, U
MSU- U, U, U, U, U, U, U, U, U, U
MD- U, U, U, U, U, U, U, U, U, 6
P- U, 3, 7, U, 5, U, U, U, 8, U
WI- U, 2, U, 7, U, 1, U, 5, 7, 1
IN- U, U, U, U, U, 4, 6, U, U, U

Scores only using placing:

Iowa- 92
OSU- 88
Minnesota- 75
Penn State- 64
Nebraska- 64
Illinois- 62
Wisconsin- 59
Michigan- 55
Northwestern- 38
Rutgers- 28
Purdue- 24
Indiana- 15
Maryland- 6
Michigan State- 0

Not much room for error for Iowa.

 

[redghost1974]

Jeva is the only one I am really concerened about, if he doesn't wrestle to his seed, does he make NCAA's. I have a hard time picking him if he needs a wildcard. No signature wins.

 

[1stplacehawk]

Originally posted by redghost1974:

Jeva is the only one I am really concerened about, if he doesn't wrestle to his seed, does he make NCAA's. I have a hard time picking him if he needs a wildcard. No signature wins.

He would 100% make NCAAs if he needed a wild card

 

[HawkTalk3]

Originally posted by redghost1974:

Jeva is the only one I am really concerened about, if he doesn't wrestle to his seed, does he make NCAA's. I have a hard time picking him if he needs a wildcard. No signature wins.

Really?

11. Chris Mecate
12. Steve Rodrigues
13. Joe Spisak
George Fisher (a top 25-ish wrestler - 22 in RPI)
Dean Heil (probably going to be a NCAA qualifier)

He has plenty of wins over probable NCAA qualifiers to earn a wild card

 

[#10Hawk]

Why would Clark be below Di Julius and Richards? He split with Richards and lost to Di Julius, but Di Julius had some other bad loses, granted some not in Big 10 (Shazer from NE-Kearney and 7-1 vs. Delvecchio from Rutgers and this weekend vs. Beckman from Lehigh) and Richards was TF against Taylor from Wisconsin and also lost to Sabatello from Purdue and Dardanes.

 

[texas twister]

Originally posted by redghost1974:

Jeva is the only one I am really concerened about, if he doesn't wrestle to his seed, does he make NCAA's. I have a hard time picking him if he needs a wildcard. No signature wins.

He's been ranked top 10 all season. Relax.

 

[dicemen99]

Originally posted by #10Hawk:
Why would Clark be below Di Julius and Richards? He split with Richards and lost to Di Julius, but Di Julius had some other bad loses, granted some not in Big 10 (Shazer from NE-Kearney and 7-1 vs. Delvecchio from Rutgers and this weekend vs. Beckman from Lehigh) and Richards was TF against Taylor from Wisconsin and also lost to Sabatello from Purdue and Dardanes.

Because Clark has more losses in the B1G than those guys. The seeding is primarily focused on B1G duals.

I don't understand all the angst about Clark. He will be seeded where he deserves to be based on his accomplishments at 133 this year. Nationally, he is in the mix with about 10 other guys after the top 2 guys - and that is what his results this year have shown. He can probably beat any of those other 10 guys and he can probably lose to any of them.

 

[dicemen99]

Dziewa will be a gold standard wrestler and will probably end up with 5 or 6 wins over NCAA qualifiers. IF he doesn't make it as an AQ - which I highly doubt as the B1G is going to get a lot of AQs - he will 100% be selected as a wild card.

The only Hawk I could possibly see not making the tournament as a wild card if they don't qualify at B1Gs could be Kelly and even that is not probable.

 

[Fansince1960]

Telford could get the #1 seed at Hwt. He has a win over Medbery who beat Coon pretty handily and he split with McMullen. JMO

 

[minnhawkeye]

In a way like the four seed for Bobby.
He would be away from Coon who beat him and McMullann till finals.

 

[HawkTalk3]

Originally posted by Fansince1960:
Telford could get the #1 seed at Hwt. He has a win over Medbery who beat Coon pretty handily and he split with McMullen. JMO

However his loss to McMullan happened in Big Ten compeition, and was more recent. So I could see that factoring into the decision

 

[Fansince1960]

Originally posted by #10Hawk:
Why would Clark be below Di Julius and Richards? He split with Richards and lost to Di Julius, but Di Julius had some other bad loses, granted some not in Big 10 (Shazer from NE-Kearney and 7-1 vs. Delvecchio from Rutgers and this weekend vs. Beckman from Lehigh) and Richards was TF against Taylor from Wisconsin and also lost to Sabatello from Purdue and Dardanes.

I think after seeds 1 & 2 there is jumble from 3 to 7. I'm not sure Sabatello will end up # 3 although he beat Gulibon 6-0 he was pinned by Clark and has an ugly 10-2 loss to Malone NW. Richards split with Clark and lost to Sabatello who Clark pinned. And like you said DiJulius has some other losses.
I'd move Gulibon to 3, Clark to 4, Sabatello to 5, Richards to 6 & DiJlius to 7. JMO

 

[#10Hawk]

That sounds more realistic to me Fansince1960; we'll see the outcome very soon...

 

[texas twister]

Is there a good website with which to compare records and head to head particularly against conference foes?

 

[pumpdog20]

Brutal conference when Clark is your 7th seed.

 

[HawkTalk3]

Here is a wrestler comparison on wrestle stats

http://www.wrestlestats.com/Wrestler/CompareSelect

 

[xjohnx]

Big 10 records play a huge role in seeding. Although I think that Clark is a better wrestler than Sabatello, Sabatello has a 7-2 record in big 10 duals. Clark is 3-4 (off the top of my head). Richards, Di Julius, and Gulibon beat Clark in their big 10 duals. 7-2 vs 3-4 is going to play a major role in the seeding. Out of conference results mean nothing while seeding the Big 10s.

Originally posted by Fansince1960:

Originally posted by #10Hawk:
Why would Clark be below Di Julius and Richards? He split with Richards and lost to Di Julius, but Di Julius had some other bad loses, granted some not in Big 10 (Shazer from NE-Kearney and 7-1 vs. Delvecchio from Rutgers and this weekend vs. Beckman from Lehigh) and Richards was TF against Taylor from Wisconsin and also lost to Sabatello from Purdue and Dardanes.

I think after seeds 1 & 2 there is jumble from 3 to 7. I'm not sure Sabatello will end up # 3 although he beat Gulibon 6-0 he was pinned by Clark and has an ugly 10-2 loss to Malone NW. Richards split with Clark and lost to Sabatello who Clark pinned. And like you said DiJulius has some other losses.
I'd move Gulibon to 3, Clark to 4, Sabatello to 5, Richards to 6 & DiJlius to 7. JMO

 

[Hawks1010]

Originally posted by xjohnx:
Big 10 records play a huge role in seeding. Although I think that Clark is a better wrestler than Sabatello, Sabatello has a 7-2 record in big 10 duals. Clark is 3-4 (off the top of my head). Richards, Di Julius, and Gulibon beat Clark in their big 10 duals. 7-2 vs 3-4 is going to play a major role in the seeding. Out of conference results mean nothing while seeding the Big 10s.

Originally posted by Fansince1960:

Originally posted by #10Hawk:
Why would Clark be below Di Julius and Richards? He split with Richards and lost to Di Julius, but Di Julius had some other bad loses, granted some not in Big 10 (Shazer from NE-Kearney and 7-1 vs. Delvecchio from Rutgers and this weekend vs. Beckman from Lehigh) and Richards was TF against Taylor from Wisconsin and also lost to Sabatello from Purdue and Dardanes.

I think after seeds 1 & 2 there is jumble from 3 to 7. I'm not sure Sabatello will end up # 3 although he beat Gulibon 6-0 he was pinned by Clark and has an ugly 10-2 loss to Malone NW. Richards split with Clark and lost to Sabatello who Clark pinned. And like you said DiJulius has some other losses.
I'd move Gulibon to 3, Clark to 4, Sabatello to 5, Richards to 6 & DiJlius to 7. JMO

Clark is 6-4 in B1G matches.

Wins - MSU, Purdue, Ill, NW, Maryland, Michigan
Losses - fOSU, Ill, Minny, PSU

 

[moug]

Do the 1 & 2 seeds advance into Rd2 of a 16 wrestler bracket? I'm assuming the brackets aren't like the B10 basketball tourney where the top 4 seeds get double byes.

 

[texas twister]

Originally posted by moug:
Do the 1 & 2 seeds advance into Rd2 of a 16 wrestler bracket? I'm assuming the brackets aren't like the B10 basketball tourney where the top 4 seeds get double byes.

Byes are drawn.

 

[Lsanders20]

Yup byes are drawn because if the 1 and 2 seeds always got the byes they would get screwed out of bonus potential. Which is huge especially in round 1.

 

[MVPFAN]

The biggest factor in big 10 seeding is who the coaches vote where. The votes are open to the other coaches so they will be within reason but if people think Clark is higher he could end up higher. When they are set then they get to argue guys they feel are getting slighted. If they think Telford is #1 he could be #1.

 

[xjohnx]

Originally posted by Hawks1010:

Originally posted by xjohnx:
Big 10 records play a huge role in seeding. Although I think that Clark is a better wrestler than Sabatello, Sabatello has a 7-2 record in big 10 duals. Clark is 3-4 (off the top of my head). Richards, Di Julius, and Gulibon beat Clark in their big 10 duals. 7-2 vs 3-4 is going to play a major role in the seeding. Out of conference results mean nothing while seeding the Big 10s.

Originally posted by Fansince1960:

Originally posted by #10Hawk:
Why would Clark be below Di Julius and Richards? He split with Richards and lost to Di Julius, but Di Julius had some other bad loses, granted some not in Big 10 (Shazer from NE-Kearney and 7-1 vs. Delvecchio from Rutgers and this weekend vs. Beckman from Lehigh) and Richards was TF against Taylor from Wisconsin and also lost to Sabatello from Purdue and Dardanes.

I think after seeds 1 & 2 there is jumble from 3 to 7. I'm not sure Sabatello will end up # 3 although he beat Gulibon 6-0 he was pinned by Clark and has an ugly 10-2 loss to Malone NW. Richards split with Clark and lost to Sabatello who Clark pinned. And like you said DiJulius has some other losses.
I'd move Gulibon to 3, Clark to 4, Sabatello to 5, Richards to 6 & DiJlius to 7. JMO

Clark is 6-4 in B1G matches.

Wins - MSU, Purdue, Ill, NW, Maryland, Michigan
Losses - fOSU, Ill, Minny, PSU

I only counted Big 10 dual matches, rather than any tournament (which is where Clark beat Illinois and Purdue). His loss vs Richards will "count" more than his win because of where it happened. I did miss the Michigan State match which makes him 4-4 in Big 10 dual competition. If you factor in Sabatello adding in non Big 10 dual competition he is 8-3 vs big 10 opponents with impressive wins vs Taylor (major), Gulibon (6-0). Still more wins and less losses than Clark.

This post was edited on 2/23 6:03 PM by xjohnx

 

[Spoons]

If that's how the seeds played out put Clark & Telford in the finals. I would LOVE those draws for both guys. Another thing to think about is once Gilman beats Delgado at Bigs earning him the 3 seed at Nationals and that puts Waters, Delgado & Garrett on the same side. All of this equals Gilman to the finals!!

 

[McCulloughd]

Originally posted by Spoons:
If that's how the seeds played out put Clark & Telford in the finals. I would LOVE those draws for both guys. Another thing to think about is once Gilman beats Delgado at Bigs earning him the 3 seed at Nationals and that puts Waters, Delgado & Garrett on the same side. All of this equals Gilman to the finals!!

Good point. I believe then that Gilman would probably wrestle Dance in the Semi's?

 

[YoungGun07]

When will the pre-seeds be announced?

 

[#10Hawk]

I've heard the seeds will be out on Wednesday; not sure if that is tomorrow or next week.

 

[texas twister]

Originally posted by #10Hawk:
I've heard the seeds will be out on Wednesday; not sure if that is tomorrow or next week.

Must be this week as we haven't seen anything yet.

 

[#10Hawk]

Yes, this coming Wednesday at 5pm.

 

[MARION_HAWK]

B1G Wrestling tweeted that the pre-seeds will come out this afternoon.

 

[#10Hawk]

Great Marion; even better