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Blue Hawaii decides to try tax cuts....

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In a deep-blue bastion where seldom is heard a peep of pushback against tax hikes, Hawaii legislators surprised everybody last month by unanimously approving a bill that is being heralded as the biggest tax cut in state history.

The proposal is almost certain to be signed into law by Governor Josh Green, since it was part of his so-called Green Affordability Plan, which he introduced last year during his first year in office.

Under the proposal, a family making the median income of $91,010 could see its taxes fall almost 70 percent by 2031. And low-income joint filers, who once paid among the highest state income taxes in the nation for their income brackets, now stand to pay the lowest out of the 42 jurisdictions — 41 states and the District of Columbia — that impose income taxes.

In general, Hawaii taxpayers are looking at a savings of almost $5 billion over the next seven years, as Hawaii moves from having the second-highest state income-tax burden for median-income taxpayers to the third-lowest.

Currently, Hawaii’s tax structure is quite complex. It features twelve brackets, with the lowest starting on any income between zero and $4,800, and a top marginal rate of 11 percent that applies to any income over $400,000 for joint filers.

The changes in the new law include almost quintupling the standard deduction, from $4,400 to $24,000, and gradually raising the points at which higher rates apply.

The first reform means that taxpayers who opt for the standard deduction will pay no state income tax on the first $24,000 of their income; the second means that taxpayers will see more of their income taxed at the lower rates — and be less likely to be pushed into higher tax brackets simply because they were given pay raises to keep up with inflation.

The lowest tax bracket is set to increase from $4,800 to $38,400, and the other brackets will grow in similar fashion. The top marginal rate will kick in at all income earned above $950,000.

These reforms are an amazing achievement in a state where residents have long taken it for granted that the notoriously high cost of living is an inescapable fact — “the price of paradise,” as it’s sometimes called.

Not surprisingly, Hawaii has been experiencing tax flight, with its population declining every year since 2016. The Hawaii Department of Taxation estimates that since 2020, these residents have taken with them $185 million in potential tax dollars.

The costs of high taxes are real, but until now, little had been done by Hawaii lawmakers to ease the burden. In fact, given everything that the state has gone through recently — the Lahaina wildfires, a tourist industry still in recovery from the Covid-19 lockdowns, and more — most people expected lawmakers to authorize tax increases, not a major tax reduction.

Indeed, even this year, legislators considered more tax hikes than tax cuts. But in the end, all the major tax-hike bills were killed and Governor Green’s milestone state income-tax cut prevailed.

Again, assuming they are enacted, the Green Affordability Plan tax cuts will reposition Hawaii from having one of the highest state income-tax rates in the country to one of the lowest; save state taxpayers billions of dollars in coming years; lower Hawaii’s cost of living; fuel economic growth; help offset crippling inflation; and reverse or at least slow down the ongoing exodus of Hawaii residents.

Hawaii might be a blue state, but maybe Hawaii residents no longer need to have the blues about taxes. This stunning reversal in tax policy could be the change that finally proves to Hawaii lawmakers that it is possible for paradise to be affordable after all.



Somewhere, Ronald Reagan is smiling.
 
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In a deep-blue bastion where seldom is heard a peep of pushback against tax hikes, Hawaii legislators surprised everybody last month by unanimously approving a bill that is being heralded as the biggest tax cut in state history.

The proposal is almost certain to be signed into law by Governor Josh Green, since it was part of his so-called Green Affordability Plan, which he introduced last year during his first year in office.

Under the proposal, a family making the median income of $91,010 could see its taxes fall almost 70 percent by 2031. And low-income joint filers, who once paid among the highest state income taxes in the nation for their income brackets, now stand to pay the lowest out of the 42 jurisdictions — 41 states and the District of Columbia — that impose income taxes.

In general, Hawaii taxpayers are looking at a savings of almost $5 billion over the next seven years, as Hawaii moves from having the second-highest state income-tax burden for median-income taxpayers to the third-lowest.

Currently, Hawaii’s tax structure is quite complex. It features twelve brackets, with the lowest starting on any income between zero and $4,800, and a top marginal rate of 11 percent that applies to any income over $400,000 for joint filers.

The changes in the new law include almost quintupling the standard deduction, from $4,400 to $24,000, and gradually raising the points at which higher rates apply.

The first reform means that taxpayers who opt for the standard deduction will pay no state income tax on the first $24,000 of their income; the second means that taxpayers will see more of their income taxed at the lower rates — and be less likely to be pushed into higher tax brackets simply because they were given pay raises to keep up with inflation.

The lowest tax bracket is set to increase from $4,800 to $38,400, and the other brackets will grow in similar fashion. The top marginal rate will kick in at all income earned above $950,000.

These reforms are an amazing achievement in a state where residents have long taken it for granted that the notoriously high cost of living is an inescapable fact — “the price of paradise,” as it’s sometimes called.

Not surprisingly, Hawaii has been experiencing tax flight, with its population declining every year since 2016. The Hawaii Department of Taxation estimates that since 2020, these residents have taken with them $185 million in potential tax dollars.

The costs of high taxes are real, but until now, little had been done by Hawaii lawmakers to ease the burden. In fact, given everything that the state has gone through recently — the Lahaina wildfires, a tourist industry still in recovery from the Covid-19 lockdowns, and more — most people expected lawmakers to authorize tax increases, not a major tax reduction.

Indeed, even this year, legislators considered more tax hikes than tax cuts. But in the end, all the major tax-hike bills were killed and Governor Green’s milestone state income-tax cut prevailed.

Again, assuming they are enacted, the Green Affordability Plan tax cuts will reposition Hawaii from having one of the highest state income-tax rates in the country to one of the lowest; save state taxpayers billions of dollars in coming years; lower Hawaii’s cost of living; fuel economic growth; help offset crippling inflation; and reverse or at least slow down the ongoing exodus of Hawaii residents.

Hawaii might be a blue state, but maybe Hawaii residents no longer need to have the blues about taxes. This stunning reversal in tax policy could be the change that finally proves to Hawaii lawmakers that it is possible for paradise to be affordable after all.



Somewhere, Ronald Reagan is smiling.
I’m sure he is…..as “user taxers” will be increased (and Ronnie loved those “user fees”)……Like Az., Hawaiians really shouldn’t have to pay for anything…….that’s what tourists are for……..Hotel/motel taxes, car rental associated fees…..airport charges……However, things in Hawaii are EXPENSIVE as most everything there has to be shipped in. But then, they will figure it out……

Ever hear of anyone cancelling their Hawaiian vacation because the hotel/motel tax was too high?
 
In a deep-blue bastion where seldom is heard a peep of pushback against tax hikes, Hawaii legislators surprised everybody last month by unanimously approving a bill that is being heralded as the biggest tax cut in state history.

The proposal is almost certain to be signed into law by Governor Josh Green, since it was part of his so-called Green Affordability Plan, which he introduced last year during his first year in office.

Under the proposal, a family making the median income of $91,010 could see its taxes fall almost 70 percent by 2031. And low-income joint filers, who once paid among the highest state income taxes in the nation for their income brackets, now stand to pay the lowest out of the 42 jurisdictions — 41 states and the District of Columbia — that impose income taxes.

In general, Hawaii taxpayers are looking at a savings of almost $5 billion over the next seven years, as Hawaii moves from having the second-highest state income-tax burden for median-income taxpayers to the third-lowest.

Currently, Hawaii’s tax structure is quite complex. It features twelve brackets, with the lowest starting on any income between zero and $4,800, and a top marginal rate of 11 percent that applies to any income over $400,000 for joint filers.

The changes in the new law include almost quintupling the standard deduction, from $4,400 to $24,000, and gradually raising the points at which higher rates apply.

The first reform means that taxpayers who opt for the standard deduction will pay no state income tax on the first $24,000 of their income; the second means that taxpayers will see more of their income taxed at the lower rates — and be less likely to be pushed into higher tax brackets simply because they were given pay raises to keep up with inflation.

The lowest tax bracket is set to increase from $4,800 to $38,400, and the other brackets will grow in similar fashion. The top marginal rate will kick in at all income earned above $950,000.

These reforms are an amazing achievement in a state where residents have long taken it for granted that the notoriously high cost of living is an inescapable fact — “the price of paradise,” as it’s sometimes called.

Not surprisingly, Hawaii has been experiencing tax flight, with its population declining every year since 2016. The Hawaii Department of Taxation estimates that since 2020, these residents have taken with them $185 million in potential tax dollars.

The costs of high taxes are real, but until now, little had been done by Hawaii lawmakers to ease the burden. In fact, given everything that the state has gone through recently — the Lahaina wildfires, a tourist industry still in recovery from the Covid-19 lockdowns, and more — most people expected lawmakers to authorize tax increases, not a major tax reduction.

Indeed, even this year, legislators considered more tax hikes than tax cuts. But in the end, all the major tax-hike bills were killed and Governor Green’s milestone state income-tax cut prevailed.

Again, assuming they are enacted, the Green Affordability Plan tax cuts will reposition Hawaii from having one of the highest state income-tax rates in the country to one of the lowest; save state taxpayers billions of dollars in coming years; lower Hawaii’s cost of living; fuel economic growth; help offset crippling inflation; and reverse or at least slow down the ongoing exodus of Hawaii residents.

Hawaii might be a blue state, but maybe Hawaii residents no longer need to have the blues about taxes. This stunning reversal in tax policy could be the change that finally proves to Hawaii lawmakers that it is possible for paradise to be affordable after all.



Somewhere, Ronald Reagan is smiling.
Darn, a quick look at the thread title and I thought you were starting a musical paean to Elvis.
 
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Seems like Hawaii should have high sales tax, and high taxes on rental cars, hotels, and restaurants within 1000 yards of a beach, and little to no income taxes.
 
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Pretty much every progressive I know wants lower taxes on poor people. What we definitely don't want are lower taxes for rich people. Rs still haven't figured this out.
How much lower do progressives want to go on poor people’s tax rates? How much higher do they want to go on the rich. What are your definitions of poor and rich? Where do the decreases and increases start? Should we just keep the forever screwed middle class the same?

I’d love to see an actual proposal from the progressives on how this would work, while also creating enough revenue to meet our annual budget.
 
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How much lower do progressives want to go on poor people’s tax rates? How much higher do they want to go on the rich. What are your definitions of poor and rich? Where do the decreases and increases start? Should we just keep the forever screwed middle class the same?

I’d love to see an actual proposal from the progressives on how this would work, while also creating enough revenue to meet our annual budget.
At a certain level zero taxes. Nobody at poverty level should have to pay income taxes.
 
I support that. If employers don't pay enough for a minimum standard up living I'm fine with the government making up the difference.
I know, a feature of progressives is if they don't like how much money someone earns they want to use the government to rob someone else and give that money to the low earner.
To you, government is a tool for plundering property to distribute as you see fit, not a tool to prevent the plunder of property.
 
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It's part of the governor's Green Affordability Plan, which eases the tax burden on people in lower income tax brackets. That's pretty much the opposite of Reaganomics.
I was curious to hear how the well-off were being treated under this plan, but I must have missed it.

It sounds like the lower income folks will benefit, but the millionaires might not. Is that true?

If they are lowering taxes for the middle class and below, while not raising taxes on the wealthy, that sounds like cuts in services will be coming down the road. Is that the plan?

It also sounds like a good time for modest income people to move to Hawaii, if they can find housing.
 
At a certain level zero taxes. Nobody at poverty level should have to pay income taxes.
All full-time employment should pay a living wage (or more). And no one should have less than a living wage left after taxes.

Other than quibbling about what "living wage" means, how is any other position morally justifiable?
 
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I was curious to hear how the well-off were being treated under this plan, but I must have missed it.
It sounds like the lower income folks will benefit, but the millionaires might not. Is that true?

Reaganite, across the board tax cuts:

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Source: Tax Foundation of Hawaii calculations.​

As the income gets higher, the percentage reduction in the tax decreases. At the higher end of the income spectrum, the tax decreases by about 25%. Because the tax schedules phase in over time, the amount of tax decrease will move slightly higher from 2025 to 2027 to 2029.

If, as we expect, this bill is signed into law, it will go into effect this year. (But the only change this year is a boost to the standard deduction. The first set of new brackets kicks in at the start of 2025.)
 
All full-time employment should pay a living wage (or more). And no one should have less than a living wage left after taxes.

Other than quibbling about what "living wage" means, how is any other position morally justifiable?
How is making someone unemployed because you don't like the wage they're willing to accept morally justifiable?
Who do you think you are doing that to people?
 
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Reaganite, across the board tax cuts:

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Source: Tax Foundation of Hawaii calculations.​

As the income gets higher, the percentage reduction in the tax decreases. At the higher end of the income spectrum, the tax decreases by about 25%. Because the tax schedules phase in over time, the amount of tax decrease will move slightly higher from 2025 to 2027 to 2029.

If, as we expect, this bill is signed into law, it will go into effect this year. (But the only change this year is a boost to the standard deduction. The first set of new brackets kicks in at the start of 2025.)

Weird how you think $250k is the "high income" bracket....

Seems as though no one wants to identify what the changes are on the actual high-earners...
 
Seems like Hawaii should have high sales tax, and high taxes on rental cars, hotels, and restaurants within 1000 yards of a beach, and little to no income taxes.
You mean like the other tourist giant…Florida?
 
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All full-time employment should pay a living wage (or more). And no one should have less than a living wage left after taxes.

Other than quibbling about what "living wage" means, how is any other position morally justifiable?
I’m not going to pay attention to anyone who’s got Bernie Samders as their sig pic.
 
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I support that. If employers don't pay enough for a minimum standard up living I'm fine with the government making up the difference.
That would be a pretty steep climb for employers since the cost of living is and has always been very high there. I think there are many Hawaiians who work and still need assistance so government help is pretty much a thing there. I’m not opposed to that.
The alternative would be $25 an hour at a fast food restaurant and charging $18 for a Happy Meal. That would doom the McDonald’s and eliminate the jobs at that restaurant.
And there’s your “doom loop”.
 
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How is making someone unemployed because you don't like the wage they're willing to accept morally justifiable?
Who do you think you are doing that to people?
Businesses that refuse to pay a living wage and that will fail if required to pay a living wage deserve to fail.

If the requirement to pay a living wage ends up with some people losing their crappy jobs, we can have other programs to help them.

That's a good use for corporate taxes - they can pay their workers or they can pay for the programs their workers and ex-workers need.
 
Businesses that refuse to pay a living wage and that will fail if required to pay a living wage deserve to fail.

If the requirement to pay a living wage ends up with some people losing their crappy jobs, we can have other programs to help them.

That's a good use for corporate taxes - they can pay their workers or they can pay for the programs their workers and ex-workers need.
Are you for real?
 
I support that. If employers don't pay enough for a minimum standard up living I'm fine with the government making up the difference.
Or if the government doesn’t hand out enough assistance for people that don’t work? Because those people get tax refunds now.
 
Businesses that refuse to pay a living wage and that will fail if required to pay a living wage deserve to fail.

But what if there is someone like Goldmom who wants to work some, not because she's supporting a household, but simply because she wants to.
Why price her off the labor market and thereby reduce what income she was interested in earning, and deprive the society of the labor she was interested in providing?

By myopically assuming everyone seeking to exchange labor for money is a head of household you're already showing why a third party with so little information shouldn't be making declarations to the individuals party to the transaction about how they can come to terms.

And that's just one slice of the information pie you're missing when trying to make decisions for others.
STOP! You don't know better than them for them. You just don't, the question is whether your arrogance will ever let you acknowledge it.

If the requirement to pay a living wage ends up with some people losing their crappy jobs, we can have other programs to help them.

How are you going pay for a 'program' for Goldmom after telling her she can't work at the terms she wanted to?
Not knowing her goals in seeking the employment, what do you envision the 'program' providing her?
Again the information problem rears it head to the central planner.
Do they notice?

That's a good use for corporate taxes - they can pay their workers or they can pay for the programs their workers and ex-workers need.
How do they pay workers who aren't earning anything?
Good god, sir, have you ever run a business? Do you imagine they can just pay random people who provide no service for which they can bill a customer?
How?
Jesus wept, I completely understand why you fell for MMT.
Everything is magic to you.
 
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