Brad Underwood showered Evans w/ Praise;ONE Columnist said he had to know what was going on at OK ST

[Franisdaman]

If you were an Illini fan, what would you think?

Was Underwood lucky to leave Oklahoma State just in time or did he know something was up?

In the post that follows this one, the Chicago Tribune says "college coaches know everything that goes on in their programs." Which means Brad Underwood would know everything that was going on in his program.

If the Chicago Tribune is correct and Underwood did know what was going on at Oklahmoa State and bolted to Illinois as a result, should be be fired by Illinois?

There appears to be a lot of smoke when it comes to Underwood, that's for sure.


From the Oklahoman:

Lamont Evans, the Cowboys' associate head coach and recruiting coordinator, was one of four assistant coaches charged by the feds. He faces six counts that include everything from solicitation of bribes and gratuities to conspiracy to commit bribery.

Court documents allege Evans took at least $22,000 in exchange for steering players to certain financial advisers who hoped to represent and retain the players once they turned pro.

According to the FBI, Evans and others mostly did so blindly.

"Most of the coaches never asked the adviser a single question about his qualifications, his track record," Joon H. Kim, acting United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, said during a Tuesday news conference about the federal charges. "A simple Google search by the coaches of the adviser's name would have revealed that the SEC had brought securities fraud charges against him just last year, including for misusing his professional athlete client's money."

So, Evans allegedly was lining his pockets with no regard to what might happen to his players' future earnings.

This is a heavy black stain now on OSU basketball.

Evans, after all, is a guy who has been showered with praise all along the way. Brad Underwood hired Evans and said he took tremendous comfort in having Evans on his staff because "of who he is and what he stands for." Mike Boynton retained Evans when he took over as head coach and said it gave him great comfort "to have someone who I'm so in line with philosophically."

The thing is, it could've been even worse for OSU. Evans was interviewed for the head coaching job after Underwood bolted earlier this year. By all accounts, Evans was strongly considered but was ultimately bypassed for Boynton, who then convinced Evans to stay on in Stillwater.

Still, what if Evans had been the Cowboy head coach when federal agents apprehended him Tuesday morning?

This type of mess could bog down even the most experienced of coaches at the most successful of programs. Boynton, of course, is a rookie head coach who has yet to coach his first full-fledged practice, much less his first full-fledged game.

There are lots of unanswered questions about the situation. Is Evans guilty? Are any other coaches at OSU involved? (Doesn't seem like it, but federal investigators indicated Tuesday that their investigation is ongoing.) Did any players receive any money? Will the NCAA come down hard on the program or the school?

We don't know yet.

But we know one thing for sure — this is at the very least a stain on OSU basketball.

THE FULL STORY: http://newsok.com/osu-associate-hea...ated-in-federal-bribery-probe/article/5565676

 

[Franisdaman]

This Chicago Tribune columnist says that "college coaches know everything that goes on in their programs. Even Rick Pitino."

Which means even Brad Underwood.

Link to story: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-rick-pitino-college-coaches-know-20170927-story.html

 

[tumorboy]

It's not like football where the roster is 85 players.

 

[Buddehawk]

I am sure there is a lot of

"Get the guy here or else it's your a__, I don't care how you do it. Don't tell me what your doing that way I won't be lying if we get investigated"

Most coaches are control freaks. They know everything that is going on.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

I know he coaches at Illinois now but why would Underwood have to know about an assistant getting paid $20K or less to direct athletes to agents/financial planners? To split the money? Hahaha. It's kind of silly. Because that is the only way a head coach could possibly benefit from that kind of situation.

Again, Evans is not being accused of paying for recruits. Only in using OSU and South Carolina athletes to line his own pockets. From that perspective, I think it makes sense that he would keep it a secret from everyone else in the respective programs. The US attorney himself said he doesn't expect head coach involvement because the money was too little to bear the risk.

We'll find out soon enough because all of these guys will roll over and give up everyone they can in hopes of reducing their sentences. I think Kansas and Kentucky at the very least get pulled in before this is all said and done.

I think every single Big Ten school will come out of this clean. Even Ohio State. Hahaha. Illinois recruiting will be hamstrung by this whether or not they ultimately fire Underwood. Great opportunity to move in on Chicago.

 

[DanL53]

I know he coaches at Illinois now but why would Underwood have to know about an assistant getting paid $20K or less to direct athletes to agents/financial planners? To split the money? Hahaha. It's kind of silly. Because that is the only way a head coach could possibly benefit from that kind of situation.

Again, Evans is not being accused of paying for recruits. Only in using OSU and South Carolina athletes to line his own pockets. From that perspective, I think it makes sense that he would keep it a secret from everyone else in the respective programs. The US attorney himself said he doesn't expect head coach involvement because the money was too little to bear the risk.

We'll find out soon enough because all of these guys will roll over and give up everyone they can in hopes of reducing their sentences. I think Kansas and Kentucky at the very least get pulled in before this is all said and done.

I think every single Big Ten school will come out of this clean. Even Ohio State. Hahaha. Illinois recruiting will be hamstrung by this whether or not they ultimately fire Underwood. Great opportunity to move in on Chicago.

To correct your statement. (And thanks to @Franisdaman for linking this article) Evans is accused of conspiring to pay players. That is because Evans is ON TAPE asking for more money to pay the players.

As to how much HE was paid, all this is, is the limitations of statements caught ON TAPE. It doesn't take much of a leap to believe this didn't happen ONLY when the FBI happened to be listening.

In either case, of accepting a bribe for himself, or for promising to pay players....you don't really think it stopped with what was caught on tape do you?

He did this while working with Underwood. Which is at least a Lack of Institutional Control. It's cut and dry, regardless of what PROBABLY also happened, this is enough.

Illinois should fire Underwood, and NOW, for misrepresenting his resume. He was either cheating himself, or unacceptably unaware of it.

 

[Franisdaman]

To correct your statement. (And thanks to @Franisdaman for linking this article) Evans is accused of conspiring to pay players. That is because Evans is ON TAPE asking for more money to pay the players.

As to how much HE was paid, all this is, is the limitations of statements caught ON TAPE. It doesn't take much of a leap to believe this didn't happen ONLY when the FBI happened to be listening.

In either case, of accepting a bribe for himself, or for promising to pay players....you don't really think it stopped with what was caught on tape do you?

He did this while working with Underwood. Which is at least a Lack of Institutional Control. It's cut and dry, regardless of what PROBABLY also happened, this is enough.

Illinois should fire Underwood, and NOW, for misrepresenting his resume. He was either cheating himself, or unacceptably unaware of it.

do you have a link to where Evans is looking to pay players while an assistant under Underwood? i could not find anything

 

[DanL53]

do you have a link to where Evans is looking to pay players while an assistant under Underwood? i could not find anything

I haven't even tried as I've read so much stuff I can't keep track of where. But considering I remember reading that it is on tape with him asking for more money to pay players, and he is CHARGED with Conspiracy to Commit Bribery....

....it'll pop up again somewhere. If I find it again I'll link it.

 

[And1Hawk]

How long was Underwood at OSU?? Like 1 season?

 

[Franisdaman]

I haven't even tried as I've read so much stuff I can't keep track of where. But considering I remember reading that it is on tape with him asking for more money to pay players, and he is CHARGED with Conspiracy to Commit Bribery....

....it'll pop up again somewhere. If I find it again I'll link it.

and this was when he was Underwood's assistant, correct?

i wonder, too: Where in the hell did the Adidas rep get the money? Adidas surely wasn't willingly funding this corruption or were they? Was there a bank account that money was wired to and the Adidas rep showed up with cash so it could not be traced? Lord....

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Wait. You thank franisdaman for linking an article that supports what you are asserting but then franisdamannis asking you for the link? I haven't read about Evans paying for recruits anywhere but I have not read the actual complaint. Would like to see the link.

Opining on what people "had to have known" really isn't useful for proving anything. Like I said, either way, this hurts Illinois and that's just fine by me. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

 

[DanL53]

and this was when he was Underwood's assistant, correct?

i wonder, too: Where in the hell did the Adidas rep get the money? Adidas surely wasn't willingly funding this corruption or were they? Was there a bank account that money was wired to and the Adidas rep showed up with cash so it could not be traced? Lord....

Yes, recording while he was working for Underwood.

As I heard, there were fake invoices and cooked books to cover the payments..but again, I've read so much I don't remember who was doing it, the Adidas guy?

 

[Franisdaman]

Wait. You thank franisdaman for linking an article that supports what you are asserting but then franisdamannis asking you for the link? I haven't read about Evans paying for recruits anywhere but I have not read the actual complaint. Would like to see the link.

Opining on what people "had to have known" really isn't useful for proving anything. Like I said, either way, this hurts Illinois and that's just fine by me. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

yeah, i am not sure any Oklahoma State recruit or his family were paid by Adidas/an agent/or adviser

 

[DanL53]

Wait. You thank franisdaman for linking an article that supports what you are asserting but then franisdamannis asking you for the link? I haven't read about Evans paying for recruits anywhere but I have not read the actual complaint. Would like to see the link.

Opining on what people "had to have known" really isn't useful for proving anything. Like I said, either way, this hurts Illinois and that's just fine by me. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

I thanked him for the link precisely because it mentions the charges include conspiracy to commit bribery. If that doesn't back up what I recall I don't know what else I can do.

 

[DanL53]

Screw it.....I made it up. When you hear about it later you can believe I am psychic or something.

 

[Franisdaman]

Yes, recording while he was working for Underwood.

As I heard, there were fake invoices and cooked books to cover the payments..but again, I've read so much I don't remember who was doing it, the Adidas guy?

wow, fake invoices that got paid? and then that money funneled to recruits and their families?? Lord, this is huge.... I was wondering how Adidas was funding these payments and fake Purchase Orders and fake invoices appear to be the answer

 

[DanL53]

wow, fake invoices that got paid? and then that money funneled to recruits and their families?? Lord, this is huge.... I was wondering how Adidas was funding these payments and fake Purchase Orders and fake invoices appear to be the answer

Yeah, this aint the NCAA...it's the FBI. This is criminal. It isn't funny. Well, it is to me in a probably sick and unsportsmanlike way but I'm glad to see the cheaters get busted.

Did you see this? http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/feds-eyeing-nikes-youth-basketball-program-in-ncaa-corruption-probe/

I told folks not to get caught up in the name Adidas.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

I thanked him for the link precisely because it mentions the charges include conspiracy to commit bribery. If that doesn't back up what I recall I don't know what else I can do.

Conspiracy to commit bribery means he conspired with the agents to accept bribes from them.

From the complaint:

Allegations Involving Lamont Evans

"Beginning in 2016, and continuing into 2017, EVANS solicited at least $22,000 from CW-1 and SOOD in exchange for EVANS’s agreement to exert his official influence over certain student-athletes that EVANS coached at two NCAA Division I universities, University-3 and University-4, to retain SOOD and CW-1’s business management and financial advisory services once those players entered the NBA. In return, EVANS (who had received bribe payments from DAWKINS previously), promised SOOD and CW-1 that he would steer multiple specific players to retain their services. Indeed, as a part of the scheme, EVANS arranged for CW-1 to meet with a student-athlete EVANS coached at University-4 (“Player-4”), and arranged for SOOD to meet with the mother of another student-athlete EVANS had previously coached at University-3, for the purpose of pressuring them to retain SOOD and CW-1. Moreover, and in return for the bribe payments, EVANS falsely touted the services of SOOD and CW-1 to players and their families, telling Player-4, for example, that CW-1 was “my guy,” adding, falsely, that CW-1 “has helped me personally. And I trust that,” and assuring Player-4 that “t’s going to benefit you. I promise you that.” In explaining the benefit of bribing an assistant coach such as EVANS, DAWKINS explained to SOOD and CW-1 that because coaches like EVANS could not get “caught” receiving bribes because “his job is on the line,” EVANS and other corrupt coaches would have an incentive to “block” other athlete advisors from accessing the players under the coaches’ supervision and directing those players to the bribe-payors."


Nothing there about paying recruits only directing potential pro players to agents/advisors.

Would love to see a link showing otherwise.

 

[DanL53]

Conspiracy to commit bribery means he conspired with the agents to accept bribes from them.

From the complaint:

Allegations Involving Lamont Evans

"Beginning in 2016, and continuing into 2017, EVANS solicited at least $22,000 from CW-1 and SOOD in exchange for EVANS’s agreement to exert his official influence over certain student-athletes that EVANS coached at two NCAA Division I universities, University-3 and University-4, to retain SOOD and CW-1’s business management and financial advisory services once those players entered the NBA. In return, EVANS (who had received bribe payments from DAWKINS previously), promised SOOD and CW-1 that he would steer multiple specific players to retain their services. Indeed, as a part of the scheme, EVANS arranged for CW-1 to meet with a student-athlete EVANS coached at University-4 (“Player-4”), and arranged for SOOD to meet with the mother of another student-athlete EVANS had previously coached at University-3, for the purpose of pressuring them to retain SOOD and CW-1. Moreover, and in return for the bribe payments, EVANS falsely touted the services of SOOD and CW-1 to players and their families, telling Player-4, for example, that CW-1 was “my guy,” adding, falsely, that CW-1 “has helped me personally. And I trust that,” and assuring Player-4 that “t’s going to benefit you. I promise you that.” In explaining the benefit of bribing an assistant coach such as EVANS, DAWKINS explained to SOOD and CW-1 that because coaches like EVANS could not get “caught” receiving bribes because “his job is on the line,” EVANS and other corrupt coaches would have an incentive to “block” other athlete advisors from accessing the players under the coaches’ supervision and directing those players to the bribe-payors."


Nothing there about paying recruits only directing potential pro players to agents/advisors.

Would love to see a link showing otherwise.

Well now I'm not going to post one even if I see it again. Nyaa, nyaa, nyaa. Just kidding. But you are wrong about what conspiracy to commit bribery means.

 

[And1Hawk]

I am not concerned about Underwood getting nailed but I have to question how much involvement he had considering he was at OSU 361 days and his 2 recruits were 3 stars. He also did not bring Evans with him to IL.

That's not exactly a huge tie-in to Evans.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

I am not concerned about Underwood getting nailed but I have to question how much involvement he had considering he was at OSU 361 days and his 2 recruits were 3 stars. He also did not bring Evans with him to IL.

That's not exactly a huge tie-in to Evans.

Yeah.. the more I read the less convinced I am that underwood knew. If underwood is paying to secure 3 star recruits at OSU, he's more stupid than he is dirty. Hahahaha.

Either way, what's bad for Illinois is fine by me.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Well now I'm not going to post one even if I see it again. Nyaa, nyaa, nyaa. Just kidding. But you are wrong about what conspiracy to commit bribery means.

I'm actually not wrong. I don't know what you do for a living but I assure you I know criminal law.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

We'll know soon enough. Evans will roll over on anyone he can, to cut his sentence.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

We'll know soon enough. Evans will roll over on anyone he can, to cut his sentence.

Absolutely correct. Many birds will be singing loudly over the next few days.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I know he coaches at Illinois now but why would Underwood have to know about an assistant getting paid $20K or less to direct athletes to agents/financial planners? To split the money? Hahaha. It's kind of silly. Because that is the only way a head coach could possibly benefit from that kind of situation.

Again, Evans is not being accused of paying for recruits. Only in using OSU and South Carolina athletes to line his own pockets. From that perspective, I think it makes sense that he would keep it a secret from everyone else in the respective programs. The US attorney himself said he doesn't expect head coach involvement because the money was too little to bear the risk.

We'll find out soon enough because all of these guys will roll over and give up everyone they can in hopes of reducing their sentences. I think Kansas and Kentucky at the very least get pulled in before this is all said and done.

I think every single Big Ten school will come out of this clean. Even Ohio State. Hahaha. Illinois recruiting will be hamstrung by this whether or not they ultimately fire Underwood. Great opportunity to move in on Chicago.

I would think it's a very small bridge from accepting payment to direct players to agents/financial planners to using money from those agents/planners to further convince players to sign with them. Things are still quite early in all of this, much to come as people start talking (assuming that they do).

 

[DanL53]

Ah, here's one:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_2bbc9699-67c2-5059-8676-b7597537e6ba.html

"According to court documents, Evans is also charged with wire fraud conspiracy for participating in a scheme to facilitate and conceal bribe payments to prospective and current student-athletes and/or their families. Those athletes would have been ineligible to compete because of the payments."

There you go, as I've been saying Evans is also charged with conspiring to bribe current and future players. And if you read the article the same kind of stuff occurred while Underwood was his boss. It's ON TAPE.

There IS a thing called Institutional Control, does anyone want to say Underwood had it?

 

[DanL53]

I would think it's a very small bridge from accepting payment to direct players to agents/financial planners to using money from those agents/planners to further convince players to sign with them. Things are still quite early in all of this, much to come as people start talking (assuming that they do).

I've been saying that bridge was already crossed. See post #26.

 

[Franisdaman]

Yeah, this aint the NCAA...it's the FBI. This is criminal. It isn't funny. Well, it is to me in a probably sick and unsportsmanlike way but I'm glad to see the cheaters get busted.

Did you see this? http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/feds-eyeing-nikes-youth-basketball-program-in-ncaa-corruption-probe/

I told folks not to get caught up in the name Adidas.

I am so happy this is getting investigated.

If this is going on in basketball, imagine what is going on in football?

 

[Myvue]

How long was Underwood at OSU?? Like 1 season?

Yes last season was the first for both Underwood and Lamont Evans at Oklahoma State. I think this FBI probe has been going on for at least a couple of years so I'm betting the investigation of Evans is centered around his time with Frank Martin with whom Evans had been a recruiter for him for the previous four years at South Carolina and the previous five before that with Frank Martin at Kansas State first as a student assistant. Evans graduated from Kansas State after spending his first two years playing college ball for a junior college and then would you believe his junior and senior year right here in Iowa at Drake.

Doesn't mean Evans wasn't still using his tactics at Oklahoma State but if the FBI was interviewing Underwood about Evans former tactics at South Carolina may be why he bolted so suddenly. Don't know if Illinois was Underwood's alma mater or not but often times that is why coaches move if that position opens up.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/lamont_evans_798322.html

 

[DanL53]

Yes last season was the first for both Underwood and Lamont Evans at Oklahoma State. I think this FBI probe has been going on for at least a couple of years so I'm betting the investigation of Evans is centered around his time with Frank Martin with whom Evans had been a recruiter for him for the previous four years at South Carolina and the previous five before that with Frank Martin at Kansas State first as a student assistant. Evans graduated from Kansas State after spending his first two years playing college ball for a junior college and then would you believe his junior and senior year right here in Iowa at Drake.

Doesn't mean Evans wasn't still using his tactics at Oklahoma State but if the FBI was interviewing Underwood about Evans former tactics at South Carolina may be why he bolted so suddenly. Don't know if Illinois was Underwood's alma mater or not but often times that is why coaches move if that position opens up.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/lamont_evans_798322.html

Evans and Underwood have worked together as assistants for years before Underwood hired him at OSU.

Evans was investigated as well as others for between 2-3 years depending on the article one reads.

No way Underwood was interviewed or had any inkling that an investigation was going on.

Underwood tried very hard to bring Evans to Illinois with him.

Evans actions that caused him to be staring at 80 years in Prison took place at South Carolina, and OSU.

That includes while Underwood was the Head Coach.

There is the NCAA rule about Institutional Control. Coaches are required to have it and the old, "I know nothing" trick isn't a sure thing.

To recap. Longtime knew each other...cheating...Head Coach was Underwood.

Edit to add: So it was only one year? So Underwood had no control of his program from the START!?!?!? That seems worse to me than an excuse that over time things got out of hand. The plausibility that Underwood is clean is so remote to me...so remote.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I am so happy this is getting investigated.

If this is going on in basketball, imagine what is going on in football?

I'm sure it's happening to some extent, but the money to individual players is likely not as high. If you get a couple of elite talents in basketball that makes you immediately good. Football takes much more than 1-2 great players to have a great team.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Yes last season was the first for both Underwood and Lamont Evans at Oklahoma State. I think this FBI probe has been going on for at least a couple of years so I'm betting the investigation of Evans is centered around his time with Frank Martin with whom Evans had been a recruiter for him for the previous four years at South Carolina and the previous five before that with Frank Martin at Kansas State first as a student assistant. Evans graduated from Kansas State after spending his first two years playing college ball for a junior college and then would you believe his junior and senior year right here in Iowa at Drake.

Doesn't mean Evans wasn't still using his tactics at Oklahoma State but if the FBI was interviewing Underwood about Evans former tactics at South Carolina may be why he bolted so suddenly. Don't know if Illinois was Underwood's alma mater or not but often times that is why coaches move if that position opens up.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/lamont_evans_798322.html

It's possible Underwood knew something was going on, but the reasons given for him leaving Okie State were that he wanted a raise after his very good season and they balked at it. Illinois job opened up and was a better opportunity. Okie State was loathe to hand out another long extension after just getting rid of Travis Ford after having to previously give him a long extension. Underwood was an assistant for Huggins and Frank Martin for 6 years at K-State, then went with Martin to South Carolina for a year before becoming a head coach at Stephen F. Austin.

Will be interesting to see what if anything comes of this.

 

[perryhawk]

It's possible Underwood knew something was going on, but the reasons given for him leaving Okie State were that he wanted a raise after his very good season and they balked at it. Illinois job opened up and was a better opportunity. Okie State was loathe to hand out another long extension after just getting rid of Travis Ford after having to previously give him a long extension. Underwood was an assistant for Huggins and Frank Martin for 6 years at K-State, then went with Martin to South Carolina for a year before becoming a head coach at Stephen F. Austin.

Will be interesting to see what if anything comes of this.

Very interesting information....worked for Martin and Huggins.........

 

[DanL53]

Don't know anything about this guy, but hmmmmmmm....

Brian Rauf‏@brauf33
Schools that are likely to be hit next, according to sources: Auburn, Arizona, Alabama - and Illinois' Brad Underwood

end

It was just last night that Underwood's buddy turned himself in.....again, hmmmmmmmm.

Pat on my back (I don't care, after taking crud for it I deserve to brag) for saying LAST SUMMER that Underwood was dirty.

 

[perryhawk]

Don't know anything about this guy, but hmmmmmmm....

Brian Rauf‏@brauf33
Schools that are likely to be hit next, according to sources: Auburn, Arizona, Alabama - and Illinois' Brad Underwood

end

It was just last night that Underwood's buddy turned himself in.....again, hmmmmmmmm.

Pat on my back (I don't care, after taking crud for it I deserve to brag) for saying LAST SUMMER that Underwood was dirty.

I'm guessing that the Illini dude won't show up here for a while.

 

[DanL53]

I'm guessing that the Illini dude won't show up here for a while.

He doesn't even show up on Illini Loyalty. I think he might have been banned here...there, maybe he's just laying low.

This just goes back to Underwood trying to get Evans to come to CU, and when that didn't work he hires a guy that recruited for Calipari at both Memphis and Kentucky. You don't have guys like that around you if you don't intend to use their "talents".

The thing that amazes and saddens me, reading Illini Loyalty and the tone is so much more how not to get caught and why deniability is important and all that. Man, the culture is just so Al Capone over there!

I've read more concern about Iowa on this board, and the REMOTE chance that despite all the evidence to the contrary perhaps Fran is concerned? (Kakert's Podcast, and I quote, "Fran sleeps well at night.") I just can't fathom it....to be that interested in winning that the Illini fan base worries more about not getting caught, than if the coach they just hired is a cheater or not.

What was it I saw on another post that I liked so much..."Implausible Deniability." Yeah...whoever said it had it dang sure right. The days of Head Coaches being shielded by pleading ignorance should be long gone.

 

[chitownUofI05]

I know you guys like to speculate on us crashing and burning, but as of right now we have nothing to do with this, and if it is found that Underwood knew of this while at Oklahoma State, he'll be fired and we will (rightfully) suffer no penalties. That's it. I doubt it comes close to that.

Not trolling (as I don't really think I ever do here), but that's pretty much our perspective right now. I think it's reasonably optimistic. Really, outside of the Northwestern and Iowa message boards, there isn't much talk of Illinois...

 

[DanL53]

I know you guys like to speculate on us crashing and burning, but as of right now we have nothing to do with this, and if it is found that Underwood knew of this while at Oklahoma State, he'll be fired and we will (rightfully) suffer no penalties. That's it. I doubt it comes close to that.

Not trolling (as I don't really think I ever do here), but that's pretty much our perspective right now. I think it's reasonably optimistic. Really, outside of the Northwestern and Iowa message boards, there isn't much talk of Illinois...

I think that is fair for you to say, as your perspective. And I agree, no harm should come to Illinois except that which happens just by Underwood never coaching a game for you.

 

[91hawki]

Perhaps no penalties to the University of IL itself. How does the U of IL AD keep Underwood knowing full well that Underwood was aware of what was happening at Ok St.

Even if Underwood somehow keeps his job at ILL, there is a lot of smoke around Underwood and if he doesn't get nailed with the ties to $$$ at Ok State- you can bet your sweet a** that the NCAA and FEDS will be watching him very closely at U of Ill

 

[DanL53]

Perhaps no penalties to the University of IL itself. How does the U of IL AD keep Underwood knowing full well that Underwood was aware of what was happening at Ok St.

Even if Underwood somehow keeps his job at ILL, there is a lot of smoke around Underwood and if he doesn't get nailed with the ties to $$$ at Ok State- you can bet your sweet a** that the NCAA and FEDS will be watching him very closely at U of Ill

Plus his reputation will be shot to he!!, as it should be. I'm not going to go into how much Underwood and Evans have worked together in the past, but it is much more than just the one year Underwood was his Boss.

I enjoy good, fair, competition in the Big Ten and I'm glad Iowa is part of it. I'd hate to see Underwood be a one or two year coach...and find that this recent NUCLEAR BOMB of an incident in College Basketball is big enough to impair the ability of Illinois to rebuild after their last two coaches. I do think I've been doing Illinois a favor by trying to spread the concern about his assistant hires at Illinois, and now about his relationship with Evans.

I think it would be fair of Illinois to fire him, now. And I would support that nothing more should happen to Illinois.