Brandon Hutton transferring
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I have to agree with this, look, we have went long enough with guards that weren't much of a scoring threat.
He won't lose a year if he goes juco. Transfer, get your AA after next year and have three left to play.
Lounge guys are saying it was mutually understood he wasn't going to get playing time in the future.
In that case, better to move on now for both sides I guess.
In that case, better to move on now for both sides I guess.
Not surprised to hear of a transfer, was surprised it is him however. Lets hope those that say progress and improve an awful lot this offseason, b/c somebody is going to have to step up in this class. Wagner has already shown he is very capable, I know many speak highly of Moss, Williams showned some great flashes late and his length is impressive, andI have been hard on Fleming but he saw limited action this year so hard to tell a whole lot, but I know many on here are high on him so hopefully everybody is right.
Wish Brandon success wherever he chooses to go. Never saw him play, but we will need some defensive toughness next year, so maybe he will be missed.
I don't think it is a good thing, nor do I think it bodes well for Fran's already suspect personnel decisions. You bring in Hutton, Wagner, Moss, Fleming, Williams, and Jones and return a red shirt in Ellingson who had a year in the system. Jones gets hurt, Hutton and Moss red shirt. Fleming and Williams get buried on the bench. Ellingson joins them a few games into conference play. So out of this group, the big contributor was Wagner? I like him a lot, but 0 offensive skills outside of layups.
This is very underwhelming productivity from a big class that needed to contain 1-2 guys capable of doing something. You can blow me up and say be patient and that is fine. I just don't see Fran's plan ever coming to fruition with the caliber of talent he is recruiting. When you have 3 in state kids coming in this year and 2 next year, you clearly aren't connecting with the better out of state talent .
This is very underwhelming productivity from a big class that needed to contain 1-2 guys capable of doing something. You can blow me up and say be patient and that is fine. I just don't see Fran's plan ever coming to fruition with the caliber of talent he is recruiting. When you have 3 in state kids coming in this year and 2 next year, you clearly aren't connecting with the better out of state talent .
I wouldn't say he missed. Their are 13 players on scholarship and only 8 or 9 maybe 10 in rotation, sometimes transfer is best for all parties. Doesn't mean he was a bust or a bad player, I am hoping it has more to do with others just being better. The emergence of Baer probably was unexpected and a pleasant surprise to all, not to mention hopeful many are right about Fleming's upside and that of Moss as well. Hopefully he finds a good home and we bank this scholarship for another stud in a later class
I think you are looking at this all wrong, being we had 4 seniors and a junior starting that left very little room for freshman to play and even better we are at a point in our program where we do not need 3+ freshman to come in a play significant minutes. That to me is a good thing and not a bad thing. I think this bodes well for our program moving forward that we can now sustain success over the long haul. I mean it was still a successful season in the fact we made it to the 2nd round for second straight year
Valid points, but I don't think you can look at the starting 5 and not see that 3 of them are very limited offensively. He thought he had something in Uhl and Baer turned out to be a surprise, but the others needed to at least show they could, on occasion, make some shots. Instead Ellingson looked less athletic than Oglesby, Fleming and Williams did not play and Wagner is a good energy guy, but 0 scoring. Once Jones went out, I think you take the red shirt off Hutton or Moss and say welcome to the big ten if you have no confidence in the 3 guards.
Yep and the ones that have are proving to not have been B1G caliber after all (Meyer, Ingram, Dickerson) Maybe Hutton will change that narrative, but for now, Fran really hasn't been hurt by attrition at all.
Rumor has it he is headed to JUCO route and then will be able to transfer "anywhere" he wants to.
I Just really hope we do not see him back in the Big Ten in 2 years.
The kid was a solid "athlete" who could play defense and get his offense when he needed it. I think he would of been a good role player at Iowa, but I assume he goes JUCO and get a good ride to a MVC type school after that.
Lol did you watch how the season played out? I'm not sure why Jones would impact the guards but we'll move on anyway. The guards played their best basketball the first 3rd of the BIG season. You want Fran to burn Hutton's redshirt, the same guy who just realized he won't get any playing time in the future but somehow he could have earned minutes as a freshman? The other option is to burn Moss' red shirt halfway through the BIG season. Both great options obviously.
We need to find a JUCO gem like Reggie Evans to fill the spot.
I look at the starting 5 and see that they won 20+ games four straight years, one NIT championship game, 3 NCAA tourny births, and 2 consectutive round of 32 games (both two very good and hungry teams...NOVA is really really good. People forget that most had Iowa in the bottom 1/2 of big ten this year and because they went on a roll (be it a little to early) and reached top 3 realm people got a little over zealous.... was I disappointed in the final outcome of the season, sure I was, but not sure it had anything to do with the rotation....I found it to be pretty solid, Moss didn't show up until the fall due to academics so thats why he wasnt in there. I agree Ellingson didn't look great (that's why he ended finding the bench), Fleming looked awful when out there, Williams was a good spark down the stretch, and obviously Hutton was limited (or at least you can assume by transfer). If he were good enough to play he would pry be sticking around. Jok=obvious confidence. Sap....actually had pretty good #'s as far as shooting % and brought so much more to the table than #'s, Gessell was frustrating at times, yes....never seemed the same after his elbow thing last year, but all this while setting Iowa's all time career assists record and single season record this year.....
I tend to believe that Hutton either didn't want to compete for playing time, or was significantly worse than the players he's competing against. We forget that Fran has been seeing all these players in practice for a year now and knows how they can impact the team. If Hutton is the defensive stopper people say he is, then great, but without a developed offensive game, then we've got another Eric May: An athletic guy who can't contribute offensively until late in his career, and at this stage in the game, Fran shouldn't be getting Eric May's. I'm not at the practices so I'm not going to say anything definitively, but if Hutton is good enough, then he should have the opportunity (with 4 graduating seniors) to earn significant playing time.
This scholarship either goes to Baer, or I personally hope that it's carried to the '17 class where we are recruiting some fantastic talent in Goodwin, Tilmon, and Williams.
Best of luck to Brandon in the future and hopefully this doesn't come back to bite the Hawks- I was looking forward to seeing him play in the Black and Gold.
This scholarship either goes to Baer, or I personally hope that it's carried to the '17 class where we are recruiting some fantastic talent in Goodwin, Tilmon, and Williams.
Best of luck to Brandon in the future and hopefully this doesn't come back to bite the Hawks- I was looking forward to seeing him play in the Black and Gold.
Wow you really think highly of this kid and must know something we don't.. Considering that he didn't play ONE minute of real action for Iowa..
Bummer. I was hoping and counting on Hutton to lead this team on D. That must not have been the case in practice...
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Best of luck to Brandon in his future.
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Best of luck to Brandon in his future.
May's points per game each season:
- Freshman: 9.0
- Sophomore: 7.8
- Junior: 4.3
- Senior: 5.2
Agree with much of your post, but how is Wagner different than Hutton and how are either different than Woodbury with respect to being extremely limited offensively? We played 2 on 5 offensively many games this year because Gesell and Clemmons wouldn't shoot or couldn't make. Looking at both of their shots since they arrived on campus, it was obvious neither's would be mentioned along 'pure stroke'. From what I saw of Hutton in PTL (yes, glorified rec league play), he showed an offensive skill set and a lot of athleticism.
Water under the bridge now, but but my point is that Fran seems incapable of identifying or landing kids who can score the ball. For a guy to incessantly talk about playing fast, shooting 3's, winning 85-80, he can't recruit scorers. Uthoff and Jok being the exceptions here, but as we saw this past season, 2 on 5 offense doesn't work too well.
Jones would have been another scoring option to hide Clemmons, Gesell, and Woodbury and take some pressure off Jok and Uthoff. I don't know you tell me, we burned a season for Williams and Fleming getting essentially 0 from them and as an added bonus, we got 0 from Ellingson. So if Hutton or Moss could have helped the team, which given their athleticism, I am certain they could have, I would prefer an athlete who might make some hustle plays vs.. 3 guys sitting next to Fran. It works for other teams who actually recruit big ten caliber athletes. If nothing else, Williams should have been playing earlier given the performances of Clemmons and Gesell.
I'd prefer to see Fran find a Juco/transfer gem like Andre Woolridge to fill the spot.
??? Wagner had solid skills around the hoop with the ability to actually finish when passed to. More than I can say for the past 4 years. He has a good looking shot to around 15 feet and has shown some face up skills. Let's face it basketball today does not provide that many back to the basket opportunities.
My first thought was that he ended up being just a smaller version of Wagner. Something we didn't really need.
Maybe Wagners growth and development made Huttons transfer a necessity.
No doubt as he gained confidence and I am not being critical of him. I think he made one jumper all season and that was against Nova and his free throw shooting needs some work, so not sure I see him being a jump shooter out to 15 feet, but let's hope. Wagner was definitely a bright spot because athletically, he can hold his own....he will figure the rest out.
I think it shows Fran is having trouble bringing guys in that can play right away or in a lot of cases even in year 2. After Jones went down our depth was pretty bad especially after Uhl started to decline and Baer went through a mini B1G slump. Ellingson was found not to have B1G talent and Wagner although was fun to watch struggled at O. And like you said we already had 3 starters that were limited with offense
I cant believe some people are blaming Fran on this one. What do you expect when you recruit 5 guys that are 6'5 to 6'8 and play roughly the same position. Maybe this means that Wagner is progressing better than we thought and he could possibly be the defensive presence that we will miss with Hutton. I liked what I saw from the kid in limited Prime Time games and looked like he could be explosive, but I think we have that covered with Cook and Wagner. Am I sad that he is leaving, yes, but we still have a good bunch of guys coming back next year and with the incoming freshman and Moss, I don't think this is to much of a loss to iowa as a whole. now if fran could somehow convince a 5th year to come that has PG ability (AJ English, wont happen as he is going pro, but one can dream)
I think what a lot of people are bummed about is that Hutton though lacking in offense was billed as one of the best lockdown defenders in high school basketball and the thought of having a guy come in off the bench and lock down a teams best player was a fun thought in Hawkeye Basketball fans minds.
I think Fran can take some blame in that he took 5 guys that would be competing for 2 maybe 3 positions all within a year or two from each other. I mean you have to know 1 or 2 of those guys are going to transfer so you are basically throwing away 1 -2 years of developing players which could lead to holes in your lineup down the road due to players not being ready to fill those holes.
Those teams that recruited Hutton knew he was athletically gifted and a good defender. There are not a lot of kids coming out of HS that have any skills defensively or are motivated to learn them in College. I assume Fran and Bo ( and any other D1 coaches that may have offered) were fully aware of his lack of shooting skills and either looked at him as a project over 3 of 5 years in the program or as a role player. It seems to me that Fran wasn't creaning him but was candid about the likelihood of seeing any meaningful playing time as the team currently stands. While some kids are content to contribute to the team in that role, others want to play on game day, knowing that it will take a transfer to a lower division to do so. Looks like there was a meeting of the minds. I wish him well.
That and Wisky has had a knack for sending players to their shot doctor who develops their shot and extends their range. That's exactly what Hutton needed.
Didn't I already explain to you that the teams playing freshman were the teams that had playing time available?
The best freshman in the league this year was probably Happ and he didn't get a single minute the year before. Was he not a big ten caliber athlete the year prior? Or was there simply not playing time?
Was going to say, a transfer like this doesn't happen (i don't think) unless the player is pretty much told he isn't cutting it at this level. The guy has all 4 years left!
So, I wonder why this was the case with Hutton?
So, I wonder why this was the case with Hutton?
Last I checked, Fran is the head coach and primary recruiter. He cannot continue to load up on Iowa high school talent and think he is going to get past the first round of the tourney. I thought the point of hiring his senior staff was to tap into Dillard's connections in Texas, Speraw's connections with Florida juco kids and Fran's ties to the northeast. Hutton is not "the" issue and I do not blame anyone. I think it is telling that Fran either hasn't learned how to manage personnel here i.e. balancing high school kids with some juco or graduate transfer talent or he is a very poor in the talent evaluation space and his staff does not or cannot challenge him.
This discussion can't be about how bad we were when Lickliter was here forever. Other programs have setbacks and recover. I think expecting Fran to win a second round game in 10 years is a pretty low expectation and that is the trajectory we are on (maybe). Wisconsin lost 3 starters; 2 to the NBA and 1 playing professionally in Europe and they still made the Sweet 16. Fran meanwhile had all his guys back and time to augment with a scorer or two and didn't.
This discussion can't be about how bad we were when Lickliter was here forever. Other programs have setbacks and recover. I think expecting Fran to win a second round game in 10 years is a pretty low expectation and that is the trajectory we are on (maybe). Wisconsin lost 3 starters; 2 to the NBA and 1 playing professionally in Europe and they still made the Sweet 16. Fran meanwhile had all his guys back and time to augment with a scorer or two and didn't.
