Bush, Rubio, and Walker all used private email addresses

[Lone Clone]

I have to disagree with you on one point: condoleeza rice did not use a personal email account for any official business during her time as Secretary of State. In fact, she was very hesitant to use email at all, personal or otherwise, while Sec of State. I'm not a big fan of her, but honesty was never an issue in my opinion.

And Powell didn't use it in anywhere near the same fashion as Hillary, and did not violate laws or procedures in effect at the time. What the Hillary butt-kissers either don't understand or don't want to admit is that she didn't just use her personal e-mail account occasionally when she was working from home, that kind of thing. She used it exclusively for her State Department business.

 

[like-woahh]

Yes. I've worked with TONS of classified info in my military career and there's one thing I know for certain. If the "ordinary citizen" had ANY of the satellite info that she had on her server and not secured, you are one F'ING stupid individual.

And yes, that is info that is damaging to the U.S. Do think Russia and China now have a nice folder on the information that they easily hacked into somewhere in the far ease?

Can you imagine Clinton as POTUS trying to influence Russian and China knowing that at any moment they could release info hacked from her server as President? She's a damaged candidate with no upper hand at all and she's not even the candidate for her party.

She would be insignificant in world negotiations; a non-factor for her entire time. Putin would eat her for lunch and she wouldn't do (couldn't do) a damn thing about it.

You know, I'm not sure that I've ever agreed with you on anything I've read on here, ever. But I feel like we have some serious common ground on the whole, "Hillary sucks and should never be President" issue.

 

[sijoint]

Thanks for the chuckle, but we know you're more 'better' than that.

Is this better?

 

[mstp1992]

Yes. I've worked with TONS of classified info in my military career and there's one thing I know for certain. If the "ordinary citizen" had ANY of the satellite info that she had on her server and not secured, you are one F'ING stupid individual.

And yes, that is info that is damaging to the U.S. Do think Russia and China now have a nice folder on the information that they easily hacked into somewhere in the far ease?

Can you imagine Clinton as POTUS trying to influence Russian and China knowing that at any moment they could release info hacked from her server as President? She's a damaged candidate with no upper hand at all and she's not even the candidate for her party.

She would be insignificant in world negotiations; a non-factor for her entire time. Putin would eat her for lunch and she wouldn't do (couldn't do) a damn thing about it.

Excellent points, my friend.

My belief is her actions demonstrate a blatant disregard for federal protocol. One can disagree with the protocol, but as a sworn protector of the USA she had no right to disregard any security protocols.

 

[mstp1992]

Is this better than that?

Okay, I LOL'd out loud at that.

 

[mstp1992]

And Powell didn't use it in anywhere near the same fashion as Hillary, and did not violate laws or procedures in effect at the time. What the Hillary butt-kissers either don't understand or don't want to admit is that she didn't just use her personal e-mail account occasionally when she was working from home, that kind of thing. She used it exclusively for her State Department business.

I think in an earlier post I alluded to Colin Powell being innocent of any electronic messaging malfeasance.

 

[lucas80]

I love all the clever contortionists in this thread. The intent of the private server for Clinton was secrecy. The same as it was for Bush, and Walker, and all the other people who circumvent laws. They did it so they could have discussions about issues without government transparency. They did it so they could talk about things they shouldn't be talking about.
Scope does not completely overshadow intent.

 

[BioHawk]

So did Christie, Perry, and Jindal. All used private emails to conduct public business. Jeb even had his own personal server, just like Hillary, and decided, just like Hillary, that he would decide which emails were made public and which weren't. This is the height of hypocrisy.

Silly, these things only matter when a Democrat does it.

 

[BioHawk]

Yes. I've worked with TONS of classified info in my military career and there's one thing I know for certain. If the "ordinary citizen" had ANY of the satellite info that she had on her server and not secured, you are one F'ING stupid individual.

And yes, that is info that is damaging to the U.S. Do think Russia and China now have a nice folder on the information that they easily hacked into somewhere in the far ease?

Can you imagine Clinton as POTUS trying to influence Russian and China knowing that at any moment they could release info hacked from her server as President? She's a damaged candidate with no upper hand at all and she's not even the candidate for her party.

She would be insignificant in world negotiations; a non-factor for her entire time. Putin would eat her for lunch and she wouldn't do (couldn't do) a damn thing about it.

From what I've seen, information on her private servers are probably more secure than they are at the Pentagon.

 

[timinatoria]

Silly, these things only matter when a Democrat does it.

Do you always reply without reading the entire thread?

 

[BioHawk]

Do you always reply without reading the entire thread?

No, just this one. Honestly, I'm too tired to give a shit about what's in the rest of the thread.

 

[SSG T]

I will only state this. If I were found to have sent or received classified material on my .mil email address or have classified material on my normal email server, my ass is grass. I would lose my job, lose my retirement benefits, lose my rank and lose any freedom for a few years via Ft Leavenworth.

And I would almost guarantee I don't have the same security clearance as the Secretary of State.

 

[theIowaHawk]

We rarely agree on anything, but I'm really disappointed you've become an apologist for her actions.

Talk to anyone who has dealt with classified/secret, etc material. This isn't a minor issue. Look what happened to General Petraeus and he gave someone with security his personal calendar, which was long outdated when he did this. It's horrible for security reasons, but also Hillary's emails should be a part of the historical record. Would it have been wrong for Nixon to destroy the tapes? Hell yes. We have obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and a host of other criminal laws which likely were violated. If a colonel did what she did he'd be facing a court martial for treason.

We haven't even gotten to the content of the emails, which could show criminal, or embarrassing information to Clinton's actions concerning Benghazi.

I agree with this. The intent, the purpose, everything this was for (same as for every other politician who does this) is to circumvent open records/public disclosure. That is terrible, and I, personally, am opposed to it.

I just don't believe the posters on here calling for her head believe the same, I think they are using it as a tool....which isn't a problem, except when they refuse to admit it.

 

[rocketclone]

So this is why you won't vote for her?

No, I will not vote for her because she was the Secretary of State and was NEVER involved with classified information. She claims she never received any classified or top secret information in her emails which tells me she was not doing her job and we don't need a president who is not involved with top secret information. That is important, especially when it comes to the protection of our country.

 

[aflachawk]

I agree with this. The intent, the purpose, everything this was for (same as for every other politician who does this) is to circumvent open records/public disclosure. That is terrible, and I, personally, am opposed to it.

I just don't believe the posters on here calling for her head believe the same, I think they are using it as a tool....which isn't a problem, except when they refuse to admit it.

Most are calling for her head because she is so secretive that she allows top secret e Mail on a non secure server. If that the case as Sec of state, how much more secretive would she be as POTUS. That's the problem

 

[Huey Grey]

Remind me which of those were Secretary of State? And also, where is the list of Democrat governors etc doing the exact same thing at the state level?

All Secretaries of State before Hillary used private email accounts. Next stupid question.

 

[Huey Grey]

We rarely agree on anything, but I'm really disappointed you've become an apologist for her actions.

Talk to anyone who has dealt with classified/secret, etc material. This isn't a minor issue. Look what happened to General Petraeus and he gave someone with security his personal calendar, which was long outdated when he did this. It's horrible for security reasons, but also Hillary's emails should be a part of the historical record. Would it have been wrong for Nixon to destroy the tapes? Hell yes. We have obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and a host of other criminal laws which likely were violated. If a colonel did what she did he'd be facing a court martial for treason.

We haven't even gotten to the content of the emails, which could show criminal, or embarrassing information to Clinton's actions concerning Benghazi.

None of her emails were classified at the time she was using them. And I find it adorable that you think that any of these emails will finally give you guys the smoking gun you're so desperately in need of.

 

[timinatoria]

None of her emails were classified at the time she was using them. And I find it adorable that you think that any of these emails will finally give you guys the smoking gun you're so desperately in need of.

Doubling down on stupid I see. Keep up the good work!

 

[Bob Pelini_]

This whole thing reeks of an old person not understanding how the internet works.

Too old to run anything that's for sure.

 

[Vroom_C14]

All Secretaries of State before Hillary used private email accounts. Next stupid question.

Prove that ALL used a private e-mail SERVER for government business.

 

[N_fuego]

All Secretaries of State before Hillary used private email accounts. Next stupid question.

 

[theiacowtipper]

She shouldn't have done it, was stupid to have done it, and it probably broke the law (I say probably because I'm not a lawyer and didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn last night). However, if I was subjected to the scrutiny she has been for the last few decades, I might be a little paranoid as well. And yes, I understand SOME of that scrutiny was justified.

 

[Quintana]

And yes, that is info that is damaging to the U.S. Do think Russia and China now have a nice folder on the information that they easily hacked into somewhere in the far ease?

am I the only one who caught this nugget? I'm sure its a typo, but would make an outstanding WOB

 

[Rifler]

None of her emails were classified at the time she was using them. And I find it adorable that you think that any of these emails will finally give you guys the smoking gun you're so desperately in need of.

JFC..... She was the freaking Secretary of State and you honestly believe that she never received or sent a single classified email during the entire time she held the office?..... wow!

 

[IMCC965]

am I the only one who caught this nugget? I'm sure its a typo, but would make an outstanding WOB

East...EAST.

 

[IMCC965]

Most are calling for her head because she is so secretive that she allows top secret e Mail on a non secure server. If that the case as Sec of state, how much more secretive would she be as POTUS. That's the problem

NOT for receiving or transmitting CLASSIFIED e-mail. Get your freaking head out of the sand. She broke the law, plain and simple.

 

[aflachawk]

In defense of the rest of the board. Only Red, jscott and Ciggy don't get it.

But, that is the kind of slapstick we have come to expect from those three.

That's true . In addition which one of them had e mail with top secret information ? As usual ciggy, Huey and Jscott post useless talking points from Hillary and try to pass them off as actual thoughts

 

[hawkguy77]

None of her emails were classified at the time she was using them. And I find it adorable that you think that any of these emails will finally give you guys the smoking gun you're so desperately in need of.

And we can just take Hillary's word for the fact that none of her e-mails were classified when she sent or received. I choose to believe the office of the Inspector General which found four of the forty e-mails they examined to contain classified material. 58% of the population believe she is a liar and I am part of the 58%.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Add in the fact that she deleted nearly 30k of them and took her time to hand it over, just lends to the eye raising of the whole thing.

Also, listen to how she answers the questions regarding the email - very similar to how particular her hubby was with the word "is"...

 

[Huey Grey]

Prove that ALL used a private e-mail SERVER for government business.

Ah, the old moving target game. If her use of a private email wasn't important than why has the GOP been saying it is?

 

[Huey Grey]

Add in the fact that she deleted nearly 30k of them and took her time to hand it over, just lends to the eye raising of the whole thing.

Also, listen to how she answers the questions regarding the email - very similar to how particular her hubby was with the word "is"...

Jebby did the same exact thing. Where's your witch hunt against him?

 

[Huey Grey]

JFC..... She was the freaking Secretary of State and you honestly believe that she never received or sent a single classified email during the entire time she held the office?..... wow!

Where's your proof that she did?

 

[22*43*51]

Jebby did the same exact thing. Where's your witch hunt against him?

What level of classified security does Jeb have?

 

[Huey Grey]

What level of classified security does Jeb have?

Do you see why I complain about moving targets? At first it was that Hillary used a private email account. Then when it was shown that the Bush did as well, the next complaint was that she had a private server. Then when it was shown that the Bush did as well, the newest complaint is that she used classified documents. Seems like you guys will just keep re-adjusting your complaint until you can find one exact pathway unique to Hillary and no one else.

 

[86Hawkeye]

No, just this one. Honestly, I'm too tired to give a shit about what's in the rest of the thread.

You picked the wrong thread to not give a shit.

 

[86Hawkeye]

I will only state this. If I were found to have sent or received classified material on my .mil email address or have classified material on my normal email server, my ass is grass. I would lose my job, lose my retirement benefits, lose my rank and lose any freedom for a few years via Ft Leavenworth.

And I would almost guarantee I don't have the same security clearance as the Secretary of State.

But Hillary is special.

 

[Rifler]

Where's your proof that she did?

You really are a piece of work......
OK, let me put it this way. If during her entire term as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton never received or sent a single classified document via email, she would have to be not only as totally inept as I believe her to be, but also recognized as such by everyone she worked with in both the state department and white house. The woman is either a joke or a liar. Doesn't really matter to me, as either classification shines a bright light on her and creates the result I'm looking for.

 

[Jan Itor]

Silly, these things only matter when a Democrat does it.

Silly you don't think it matters until a republican does it,or something like it. You are not innocent here.

 

[BioHawk]

Silly you don't think it matters until a republican does it,or something like it. You are not innocent here.

Not entirely untrue, although I only care when a Republican does it because they care when a Democrat does it. It also depends on what "it" actually is. They don't get to do the whole "Do as I say, not as I do" stuff that runs rampant through the GOP.

 

[Lone Clone]

You really are a piece of work......
OK, let me put it this way. If during her entire term as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton never received or sent a single classified document via email, she would have to be not only as totally inept as I believe her to be, but also recognized as such by everyone she worked with in both the state department and white house. The woman is either a joke or a liar. Doesn't really matter to me, as either classification shines a bright light on her and creates the result I'm looking for.

Apparently she never had access to any classified material. Maybe they didn't trust her with it, in which case Obama is smarter than I've been giving him credit for.