Buy America products

[ihhawk]

I would love for all of the candidates to start talking about the impact of buying goods made in the USA. We never hear politicians talk about this.

We have seen a huge push in people demanding Organic and locally grown produce. It would be great to see the same push for American made goods.

I was buying school supplies Sunday and needs to get pencils. There was a large section with pencils that said "Made in the USA" and then right next to it was the ones made in China. The China pencils were about $.30 more expensive. Most of the China pencils were gone and the USA section was barely touched. Sad really.

 

[joelbc1]

Chinese pencils are superior to US made pencils. The paint on them is leaded, too.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

So many things have so many components that come from all over the world. Somewhere in that Chinese pencil is something American.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

That's pretty much all trump talks about

 

[Catfish_ Crazy]

I would love for all of the candidates to start talking about the impact of buying goods made in the USA. We never hear politicians talk about this.

We have seen a huge push in people demanding Organic and locally grown produce. It would be great to see the same push for American made goods.

I was buying school supplies Sunday and needs to get pencils. There was a large section with pencils that said "Made in the USA" and then right next to it was the ones made in China. The China pencils were about $.30 more expensive. Most of the China pencils were gone and the USA section was barely touched. Sad really.

What is made in the USA anymore?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

What is made in the USA anymore?

Lots of food, and stuff.

 

[ANYCHawk]

That's pretty much all trump talks about

 

[22*43*51]

I make a point to buy American made products when I can.

Unless they are Union built.

Because, at that point they are usually not competitive in price and the quality is shit.

 

[ANYCHawk]

I make a point to buy American made products when I can.

Unless they are Union built.

Because, at that point they are usually not competitive in price and the quality is shit.

so basically I have no point, I'm just gonnna post some right wing BS. Thanks for the contribution.

 

[22*43*51]

so basically I have no point, I'm just gonnna post some right wing BS. Thanks for the contribution.

Prove me wrong.

What Union built product can you name that is better than its non-Union competitor?

If you are going to site one of the big 3, make sure the model is actually built in the U.S.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Prove me wrong.

What Union built product can you name that is better than its non-Union competitor?

If you are going to site one of the big 3, make sure the model is actually built in the U.S.

Not the point at all.

You posted.. I typically buy american...except for these qualifying points...then I buy whenever....because its's cheeper. It basically contracdict yourself in the first few words as American product aren't usually cheaper.

 

[joelbc1]

Prove me wrong.

What Union built product can you name that is better than its non-Union competitor?

If you are going to site one of the big 3, make sure the model is actually built in the U.S.

living wages and the American way of life (that you pine about)..........both provided to "we the people" courtesy of your local trade unions.......

 

[LuteHawk]

Many of the WWII veterans refused to buy German or
Japanese cars. They would say "We should purchase
cars made in America".

 

[22*43*51]

living wages and the American way of life (that you pine about)..........both provided to "we the people" courtesy of your local trade unions.......

No. Local Unions collectively bargain for fixed agreements in a variable economy.

That is why they will always be viewed as parasites when the going gets tough.

They want to get their piece when the going is good, but they don't want to share when the going gets tough.

Their attitude is the same as "Pauli" from "Good Fellas".

"F-You. Pay Me!!!"

That's why the Union mentality is thought to be "Thugs".

 

[The_Joker13]

Prove me wrong.

What Union built product can you name that is better than its non-Union competitor?

If you are going to site one of the big 3, make sure the model is actually built in the U.S.

What's the point, you've made up your mind already. Did a union member rape you as a kid or something? Those bastards fighting for the ever shrinking middle class.

 

[thewop]

We speak with our pocket books, and we love to talk about buying American, but words don't determine how much we care, our wallets do. The fact is, on most goods, we're happy to buy foreign. The most a politician can do is make the foreign item more expensive for us to get, making the American product more "competitive," also shrinking the market. Trump's talking about this, but let's not kid ourselves, none of us would like the consequences, and the odds of it creating a significant number of jobs is minimal.

 

[22*43*51]

What's the point, you've made up your mind already. Did a union member rape you as a kid or something? Those bastards fighting for the ever shrinking middle class.

Look at my post above yours.

Collective bargaining for fixed contracts is flawed and promotes marginalism.

 

[damayason]

Prove me wrong.

What Union built product can you name that is better than its non-Union competitor?

If you are going to site one of the big 3, make sure the model is actually built in the U.S.

John Deere
Boeing
Caterpillar

To start....

 

[The_Joker13]

We speak with our pocket books, and we love to talk about buying American, but words don't determine how much we care, our wallets do. The fact is, on most goods, we're happy to buy foreign. The most a politician can do is make the foreign item more expensive for us to get, making the American product more "competitive," also shrinking the market. Trump's talking about this, but let's not kid ourselves, none of us would like the consequences, and the odds of it creating a significant number of jobs is minimal.

Can't argue with this. Money talks bull$hit walks.

 

[Perry Mason]

Many foreign cars are manufactured in the United States these days. Those are being made by American workers. In the modern global economy "foreign" and "domestic" products are quickly becoming a difference without a distinction.

 

[dbq hawk 32]

Prove me wrong.

What Union built product can you name that is better than its non-Union competitor?

If you are going to site one of the big 3, make sure the model is actually built in the U.S.

I would probably start with healthcare and education.

 

[DogBoyRy]

John Deere
Boeing
Caterpillar

To start....

What are the non-union competitors you are comparing them to??
I can already expect the crickets and no response.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

I don't get the whole "buy America" thing.

Explain to me why I should pay more for a lesser product. Who is that helping? I should buy American just because? God bless America and no one else?

What there needs to be is a certification or treaty or something among manufacturing nations that their companies are playing by the rules. I would absolutely pay more if I knew workers were being treated fairly. And I bet if such a thing existed it would improve conditions here.

 

[Funky Bunch]

What is made in the USA anymore?

Hondas and Toyotas

 

[Catfish_ Crazy]

John Deere
Boeing
Caterpillar

To start....

Where are a majority of the John Deere and CAT units assembled?

 

[The_Joker13]

Where are a majority of the John Deere and CAT units assembled?

maybe try google and find out?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

John Deere has moved a lot of manufacturing over the years to non-union states in the south and to mexico

 

[damayason]

The implication that union built products are overpriced and poor quality is not true. The three companies I listed compete globally with products built with union labor.

You're correct OiT, John Deere and Caterpillar expand into right-to-work states and into other countries. They build products where they're bought. Both companies also invest in their union factories.

Boeing recently made a commitment to produce the 737 and 777 model upgrades in the pacific northwest using very active union locals. They considered building both models in Charleston, SC but decided otherwise.

 

[DogBoyRy]

The implication that union built products are overpriced and poor quality is not true. The three companies I listed compete globally with products built with union labor.

You're correct OiT, John Deere and Caterpillar expand into right-to-work states and into other countries. They build products where they're bought. Both companies also invest in their union factories.

Boeing recently made a commitment to produce the 737 and 777 model upgrades in the pacific northwest using very active union locals. They considered building both models in Charleston, SC but decided otherwise.

We're still waiting for their non union competitor list...

 

[markfromj]

My Chevy was made in Canada, my Honda in Alabama.

 

[hawkssox1]

No. Local Unions collectively bargain for fixed agreements in a variable economy.

That is why they will always be viewed as parasites when the going gets tough.

They want to get their piece when the going is good, but they don't want to share when the going gets tough.

Their attitude is the same as "Pauli" from "Good Fellas".

"F-You. Pay Me!!!"

That's why the Union mentality is thought to be "Thugs".

I will never forget a friend who was a union worker complaining about a new guy "who was working too hard"so he was told in no uncertain terms to slow down.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I would love for all of the candidates to start talking about the impact of buying goods made in the USA. We never hear politicians talk about this.

Buying American is illegal.

OK, it really isn't illegal if YOU want to buy American. But it may be illegal to have programs that favor local content, local labor, local anything. Thanks to the WTO, NAFTA and other agreements that override US sovereignty. And the TPP will be making this worse.

And when I talk about "programs" we are really talking about anything that gives the home team a competitive advantage. Under current agreements, the offended nations or corporations can sue. Under TPP, they can go to a corporate-staffed tribunal and, if successful, draw compensation directly from the US treasury.

As far as I know, ALL the GOP candidates support this. Maybe not Rand Paul. [Paul opposed fast track but has not objected to any known provisions, as far as I know. Ron Paul opposes the TPP.] So don't expect them to make the mistake of supporting any buy American program.

Sanders and O'Malley are opposed to the TPP. The last I heard Hillary was still testing the winds - although you know most of her corporate backers support it. I suspect she wants it to go into effect before she has to take a stand. Lincoln Chafee supports the TPP. Jim Webb opposed fast trac king the TPP but hasn't (to my knowledge) yet taken a stand on the TPP itself. In the past he has talked fair trade above free trade, so he may end up opposing it. Joe Biden supports it. He sort of has to as long as he's the VP, but it seems to conflict with his record.

Bottom line, if you think Buy American or any similar efforts to boost American businesses against foreign competition make sense, these are the only candidates you should consider:

Bernie Sanders
Martin O'Malley

...and maybe (depending on where they finally come out on the TPP)

Jim Webb
Rand Paul

Rand Paul really ought to oppose the TPP. Not only is that the correct libertarian position, but it would let him distinguish himself from the GOP competition.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

What there needs to be is a certification or treaty or something among manufacturing nations that their companies are playing by the rules. I would absolutely pay more if I knew workers were being treated fairly. And I bet if such a thing existed it would improve conditions here.

We'll get that with the TPP. But the rules won't be favoring fair treatment of workers. Fair treatment of profits is more like it.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

are you talking pacific trade agreement, is that the tpp?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

are you talking pacific trade agreement, is that the tpp?

Yes. TPP = Trans Pacific Partnership.

 

[markfromj]

I am so confused. Are we suppose to buy stuff made in America? Or by American companies? Or by union workers regardless of their country?

 

[hawkitd]

Why stop at buying American made goods/services? Iowans should only buy stuff made in Iowa, Iowa Citians should only buy stuff made in Iowa City, etc, etc

Do you see any issues with this?

 

[CuttyDoesIt]

We speak with our pocket books, and we love to talk about buying American, but words don't determine how much we care, our wallets do. The fact is, on most goods, we're happy to buy foreign. The most a politician can do is make the foreign item more expensive for us to get, making the American product more "competitive," also shrinking the market. Trump's talking about this, but let's not kid ourselves, none of us would like the consequences, and the odds of it creating a significant number of jobs is minimal.

THIS! People love to talk about buying American, but they would rather buy it for cheaper at wal mart then their local mom and pop shop on main street

 

[cigaretteman]

THIS! People love to talk about buying American, but they would rather buy it for cheaper at wal mart then their local mom and pop shop on main street

This. I remember when WalMart first expanded into Iowa. They tried to make a bid point of how many of their products were made in America. Of course it wasn't true, and they turned into the biggest force driving US production to China.

 

[Hawksince73]

What is made in the USA anymore?

Best bike frames in the world are made right in Davenport, IA at Standard Byke Co. They've been around since 1991, can and will make any size frame you want and I own two of them. Pricy? Yes, but so is any top of the line bike frame.