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Can anyone name a dumber play call than NW's fourth and one call?

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A double reverse half back pass from the two yard line was the best Fitzgerald could come up with with a top 10 all time career rushing leader in his backfield?
Maybe the fourth and one from the Kentucky 39 yard line with under 3 minutes to play and up only 7 points giving a great field position for Kentucky to tie it up was dumber call. Then Kentucky tries for 2 and loses. Fitzgerald must have seen that coming.
 
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What is dumber is going for a 1st down in your own territory late ,to allow KU field position, gave them short field to tie... actually many poor decisions by both teams in that game...
 
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The more I think about it I think the reverse was a dumber call. That play had ZERO chance that close to the goal line. At least the going for it with 2:30 had a chance of working. It’s close, they were both poor poor decisions.
 
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mtown66 said:
A double reverse half back pass from the two yard line was the best Fitzgerald could come up with with a top 10 all time career rushing leader in his backfield?
Maybe the fourth and one from the Kentucky 39 yard line with under 3 minutes to play and up only 7 points giving a great field position for Kentucky to tie it up was dumber call. Then Kentucky tries for 2 and loses. Fitzgerald must have seen that coming.
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I actually have one from bowl season that’d make this 2nd worst. NIU on 4th and 19 from their 10 yard line tried a fake punt back shoulder pass that wasn’t even close to being completed and short of the first down marker.
 
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Fitzgerald tried to give the game away. Went for it on 4th down at his own 29 and didn't make it. Went for it on 4th down in FG range and didn't make it. Went for it inside the 5 and ran the stupidest play imaginable and didn't make a first down. They could have been up by at least 9 late in the game so even a 2-point conversion couldn't have won it. They won in spite of his coaching.
 
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hawkeyeinmo said:
Well the 1st one is not a play “call” and the 2nd is nowhere near as silly as his reverse call.
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We can disagree.

If you think a special teams defensive call is not a play call, I don't know what to say. It's not like only the offense can make a call.

A reverse in the Music City Bowl against Kentucky vs. playing for overtime rather than playing to win against OSU in Columbus and go to the Rose Bowl? I think that's a really silly call.
 
St. Louis Hawk said:
We can disagree.

If you think a special teams defensive call is not a play call, I don't know what to say. It's not like only the offense can make a call.

A reverse in the Music City Bowl against Kentucky vs. playing for overtime rather than playing to win against OSU in Columbus and go to the Rose Bowl? I think that's a really silly call.
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Well STLhawk I was a defensive coordinator at a dIII school and never called a “play”. I guess many would call something like a “blitz” a “play” call.. I’ll stand by my the taking a one was not as silly as the reverse that close to the goal line,...,,,I think you bring up an interesting debate between the take a knee by KF or no punt Fitz. One conservative and one aggressive. I think both coaches can make arguments why they did what they did. But Fitz can never convince me on his goal line reverse.
 
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St. Louis Hawk said:
We can disagree.

If you think a special teams defensive call is not a play call, I don't know what to say. It's not like only the offense can make a call.

A reverse in the Music City Bowl against Kentucky vs. playing for overtime rather than playing to win against OSU in Columbus and go to the Rose Bowl? I think that's a really silly call.
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I was at that game, Iowa had all the momentum, the ball and just shy of two minutes to go for the win at Iowa's 35 yard line. tOSU fans were freaking out worried their bucks were going to lose and old Kirk played Tressell ball.

What a miss by KF on deciding to play for OT. He was playing with house money by not going for it to get into field goal range with his back up qb after throwing darts for td's and getting a lucky bounce to Tony Moeki on the pass that bounced straight up to him on a would be interception. Oh, what could have been.

Feel bad for Trey Stross coming home and not having a good game like I'm sure he probably wanted to.
 
I recall the “take a knee” game and not sure about how much time was left but NO WAY was there “just shy of 2 minutes”!
 
Just nice to see other programs ‘creative’ play calling / scheming and genius decisions.
 
All plays are great when they work and not so great when they don't. It's pretty easy to sit back and criticise in hindsight.
 
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All plays are great when they work and not so great when they don't. It's pretty easy to sit back and criticise in hindsight.
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I get your point but there are some calls that are just “bad” calls even if it worked. Had the reverse worked for Fitz I still would call it a “questionable” decision because of where they were on the field.
 
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hawkeyeinmo said:
The more I think about it I think the reverse was a dumber call. That play had ZERO chance that close to the goal line. At least the going for it with 2:30 had a chance of working. It’s close, they were both poor poor decisions.
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The 2nd one actually worked, the QB got a first down - the ball was across the line needed on the second surge, the refs just did a shitty job of spotting the ball. But human error is the chance you take in a situation like that.
 
LaQuintaHawkeye said:
The 2nd one actually worked, the QB got a first down - the ball was across the line needed on the second surge, the refs just did a shitty job of spotting the ball. But human error is the chance you take in a situation like that.
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Like I said in one of my post above. Fitz can give a pretty good argument on why he made that call. We all may think Kirk may punt in that situation but didn’t Kirk go for it in a similar situation in 2010 bowl game against Mizzou? And he threw the ball! I think there was under a minute left when he did it and not sure if he was on the Iowa side of the field.
 
No hindsight needed: 4th and 2 in your own territory with a few minutes left in a 7-point game, you punt. Period. I thought NW was full of geniuses, but that call plus the reverse in the red zone were two of the stupidest calls I've seen all season--and I'm an Iowa fan--and I said so before the fact. I can send you the tape if you want. :D
 
It wasn't the goal line decision as much as the call. I know you're hindered having the backup and all that, but THAT call...no wonder NW fans abhor their OC. Your backup is mobile, you got a great TB, and you're in a compressed area of the field...use your best options.

And while I fully understand the concept of "getting that 4th and 1 from your own 29 wins the game", Fitz over-reacted to the goal line debacle with a play that with their backup QB wasn't the best call given his size - especially when you have the 10th best RB yards-wise in Div 1 history in the backfield.

I have a hard time understanding why Jackson wasn't used there.

The early FG choice, his FG kicker's longest make was something like 42 yards...no problem with that call so much as the play call itself (an iffy passer with a tough to target route).


But Mark Stoops to me is probably the biggest idiot here. You got GIFTED a tie game and OT. You absolutely must kick that XP there and take your chances in OT. It's a lot more likely to win with your starter QB than the other team with their backup.

That call bailed out Fitz big time.
 
Between KOK - GD - BF . . . I can think of a few hundred. But puppetmaster KF is really to blame.
"Hey look, we just ran the same play 5 times in a row into a wall of 9 players"
 
I knew it wouldn't take but a couple of replies for a half ass hawk fan to down grade our coaching staff.
 
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