Lmfao, yeah using a unsustainable and completely unfair water rights system. California wouldn’t be producing a third of what it does without massive irrigation projects that drain the Colorado river basin dry. I say we turn it off for a few years.
But all that aside, what is exactly the point here. Last I checked, California still used farms to create all that produce you mentioned.....so yeah farmers. Nobody was arguing that America only needed Iowa farmers.
Edit: Beef from anywhere outside of a select few midwestern States tastes like shoe leather...
No idea what you're rambling about. The comment was Cali is a joke. I informed the person CA feeds the nation.Lmfao, yeah using a unsustainable and completely unfair water rights system. California wouldn’t be producing a third of what it does without massive irrigation projects that drain the Colorado river basin dry. I say we turn it off for a few years.
But all that aside, what is exactly the point here. Last I checked, California still used farms to create all that produce you mentioned.....so yeah farmers. Nobody was arguing that America only needed Iowa farmers.
Edit: Beef from anywhere outside of a select few midwestern States tastes like shoe leather...
Likewise, I'm sure if you attempted to sit in my seat you'd fail.
Anyway, at issue here is the need for a sticker and not whether the farmer himself is necessary.
What powers those big ass tractors Jim Bob drives out in the field? What are tractors made out of and where does that come from? What lubricates them? Who engineers the seed corn Jim Bob plants? Where do the pesticides Jim Bob apply come from? Unless the Jim Bobs you know have backgrounds in geology, chemistry, biology, genetics, engineering, it's quite obvious you don't know what the hell you're talking about. That's just the sciences to focus on, I'm not even going to get into infrastructure jobs or the hundred other fields that allow farmers to "feed the world".I have a few degrees so I think I can hang.
Every single professional you listed needs to eat. Every person needs to eat. Unless you can grow all your food yourself, you rely on agriculture.
Even those that can manage to be self sustaining enjoy things they can’t produce. And there are very very few people who can do that, but guess what most who can are? You guessed it .. farmers. I am sorry you just cannot accept these things, a bias such as yours is unfortunate. Good luck if there’s ever food shortages where you live sir. I'm heading back home to Iowa with the wife and kids ASAP if that ever happens.
Btw, most well educated people learned in college that prior to the industrial revolution the primary drivers of advances in society were the development of modern organized agricultural practices.
I'm curious, those of you who want to get rid of ANF , where did you grow up, if you are grown up ? What do you do for a living ? Do you pay taxes state and fed. taxes ?
I'm just interested in what type of person has all the answers for this state and university ?
Or, are you just running your mouth and hiding behind the screen ?
Well my wife and I paid for our farm by working 3 jobs for 20 + years. We have 2 years to pay off and WE feel we earned our farm, We wanted to live in the country and will till we die, We enjoy nature, the animals. raising our own food, and really enjoy not having a tv to bring in stress. We enjoy Iowa, our families, church, Iowa Hawks, and small town people. I guess that some tend to forget why God gave us two ears and only one mouth,The farmers who own their land and dont pay rent are loaded. Most of them inherited the land or get to farm it real cheap from dad. DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR MOST FARMERS.
To be clear for starters Im a farmer. Im an ISU grad. Im an avid hawkeye fan. Usually I don't feel compelled to write on here but there is so much misinformation within this thread its almost embarrassing. I have no problem making the sticker smaller if that is a problem for some, but reading through a lot of these posts is exactly why we as a country have a problem in this country. Society is generally 2 or more generations removed from the farm where all of your food comes from. With social media and activist groups having a louder voice than the farmer there is a lot of misinformation out there today. Farmers need to do a better job voicing there side of food production and the economics behind it. Remember less than 2% of the population produces the food you eat, and with regard to tax breaks name another industry where the business (farmer) buys at a retail price and sells at a wholesale price. If anyone on here has any interest and learning first hand in seeing a livestock operation where there beef comes from I would personally invite them to my farm in eastern Iowa. Message me and Ill make it happen. ANF
It's how commodities work, luckily for Iowa Farmers the Federal government gives them commodity subsidies. And crop insurance subsidies. And pay you not to grow crops in conservation subsidies. And if there is a drought you get disaster subsidies. I'm not complaining, neither should you.I farm also, we do get tax breaks with "write offs" (the purchasing of equipment and other things) to lower taxes, but that really is the only tax break we get. I imagine there are a other businesses with this perk also. And you are right on getting the shaft when it comes to marketing our products, we are the only ones that ask "what will you give me for my products" , where as everyone else charges what the want for theirs. And what they are offering to give us now is very much.
I like the ANF sticker just wish they world make it a little small and put it on the back so it doesn't take away from the awesome tiger hawk on the side.
I was at the Penn State game and if I had been a visiting fan, I would have thought that it was the Farm Bureau Hawkeyes instead of the University of Iowa Hawkeyes. It is getting so bad that Iowa State Fans are beginning to refer to Iowa as Moo U.
It's how commodities work, luckily for Iowa Farmers the Federal government gives them commodity subsidies. And crop insurance subsidies. And pay you not to grow crops in conservation subsidies. And if there is a drought you get disaster subsidies. I'm not complaining, neither should you.
What you ought to be concerned with as an Iowa farmer is this president axing NAFTA, bad for you.
While I don't live in Iowa anymore, it is my home. I had several cousins who farmed. Spent time at their kitchen tables and learned some. My last cousins who farmed sold out in SW Iowa. They are multi millionaires now. I'm thrilled for them. I begrudge you nothing.I'm not really complaining, the mega farmers are the ones benefitting the most from all the things you have mentioned, other than the conservation subsidies, which nowhere near all farmers enroll in. The only time we get commodity support is when the price gets extremely low, and again the big boys get the majority of that. Plus, we don't get disaster subsidies, that's where the crop insurance comes in.
As far as nafta, I'm hoping they may only tweek it to make it a better deal for the United States and the American farmer but that is yet to be seen. I have a feeling you're not a trump fan and don't really believe he has Americas best interests first and foremost.
We’ve always been crazy. Now we’re just opening our mouths.what is it about an Iowa football loss that causes all these people to stop taking their meds.
that's right we have Guber to thank for all the food we eat. Guber and all his scientist buddies are so smart they can feed us all by just sitting at their computer. Get serious you need to know a little about farming before you make all this stuff up. And yes many of the things you talk about were developed by people without the degrees that make you the person that feeds the world.What powers those big ass tractors Jim Bob drives out in the field? What are tractors made out of and where does that come from? What lubricates them? Who engineers the seed corn Jim Bob plants? Where do the pesticides Jim Bob apply come from? Unless the Jim Bobs you know have backgrounds in geology, chemistry, biology, genetics, engineering, it's quite obvious you don't know what the hell you're talking about. That's just the sciences to focus on, I'm not even going to get into infrastructure jobs or the hundred other fields that allow farmers to "feed the world".
I'm thrilled you decided to use the pre-industrial revolution example. Lets say me and my petroleum geology buddies take a few years off. I want to hear where you think Jim Bob comes up with the millions of oxen that are going to be needed within 6 months to harvest/plant. Here's a hint... they don't. They might be able to come up with a couple, and at that point, they're not feeding the world, they're going to be lucky to feed their family.
You seem to have an extremely limited view on "feeding the world". You're very focused on the act of harvesting without any real thought of what all went into that act.
Haha, wow. I give up. It's shocking how simple logic can escape so many people.that's right we have Guber to thank for all the food we eat. Guber and all his scientist buddies are so smart they can feed us all by just sitting at their computer. Get serious you need to know a little about farming before you make all this stuff up. And yes many of the things you talk about were developed by people without the degrees that make you the person that feeds the world.
Haha, wow. I give up. It's shocking how simple logic can escape so many people.
I'm really surprised that not one single poster has figured out what fuels their farm equipment or where all materials its made out of come from.
#americaneedsgeologists, I want my sticker so people know how important my job is.
Biodiesel? Soy-based plastic?
Seriously though, it all goes together. Your employment relies on the farmer just as the farmer relies on you. The fact that people are concerned that a recruit from another state may not want to be a Hawkeye because we are proud to be an ag state... that is why the ANF sticker is still needed today. It's not for the same reason Hayden put it on the helmet, we should all understand that.
Oh, so exactly like what I said 2 pages ago. Gotcha.Biodiesel? Soy-based plastic?
Seriously though, it all goes together. Your employment relies on the farmer just as the farmer relies on you. The fact that people are concerned that a recruit from another state may not want to be a Hawkeye because we are proud to be an ag state... that is why the ANF sticker is still needed today. It's not for the same reason Hayden put it on the helmet, we should all understand that.
Oh, so exactly like what I said 2 pages ago. Gotcha.
Petroleum geology is not a part of agriculture industry, at all. The agricultural industry is dependent on the petroleum geosciences and econmoic/mining geology as explained in my previous posts. Jim Bob from down at the coop does not know where or how to obtain obtain peto/ore resources the ag industry is dependent on. The same relationship could be applied with hundreds of other fields.But what you're not understanding is everything you mentioned here:
"What powers those big ass tractors Jim Bob drives out in the field? What are tractors made out of and where does that come from? What lubricates them? Who engineers the seed corn Jim Bob plants? Where do the pesticides Jim Bob apply come from? Unless the Jim Bobs you know have backgrounds in geology, chemistry, biology, genetics, engineering, it's quite obvious you don't know what the hell you're talking about. That's just the sciences to focus on, I'm not even going to get into infrastructure jobs or the hundred other fields that allow farmers to "feed the world"."All of that, is part of the agriculture industry. Agriculture is more than farming. Farming is the center cog allowing all the other parts of the agriculture industry to exist and vice versa. Also, most 'Jim Bob's' do have plenty of knowledge in the agriculture sciences that include, but aren't limited to: geology, chemistry, biology, genetics and engineering.
Petroleum geology is not a part of agriculture industry, at all. The agricultural industry is dependent on the petroleum geosciences and econmoic/mining geology as explained in my previous posts. Jim Bob from down at the coop does not know where or how to obtain obtain peto/ore resources the ag industry is dependent on. The same relationship could be applied with hundreds of other fields.But what you're not understanding is everything you mentioned here:
"What powers those big ass tractors Jim Bob drives out in the field? What are tractors made out of and where does that come from? What lubricates them? Who engineers the seed corn Jim Bob plants? Where do the pesticides Jim Bob apply come from? Unless the Jim Bobs you know have backgrounds in geology, chemistry, biology, genetics, engineering, it's quite obvious you don't know what the hell you're talking about. That's just the sciences to focus on, I'm not even going to get into infrastructure jobs or the hundred other fields that allow farmers to "feed the world"."All of that, is part of the agriculture industry. Agriculture is more than farming. Farming is the center cog allowing all the other parts of the agriculture industry to exist and vice versa. Also, most 'Jim Bob's' do have plenty of knowledge in the agriculture sciences that include, but aren't limited to: geology, chemistry, biology, genetics and engineering.
JFC, I can't believe how dense some people are about this, I guess I'll repost one of my first comments in this thread, hoping it gets through to one of you. This isn't that hard.
I'm a geologist by profession. If people in my field stopped finding ore for mining, or fossil fuels for petroleum refinement or energy production, we all starve. Likewise for my engineer counterparts, or truck drivers, or hundreds of other professions that are tied into our society.
The only difference is we don't constantly make it out like we're the primary cog that allows the wheel of society to turn. Most educated people understand that is not the case.
Thank you for driving up food prices worldwide by reducing the amount of farmland committed to food production in response to ethanol subsidies.It’s okay bud. I know this is really stressing you out and you think all farmers are uneducated idiots. You keep being you. They’ll keep feeding you. Sometime say thanks though.
Now I’ve gotta go fill my truck up with ethanol.
It’s okay bud. I know this is really stressing you out and you think all farmers are uneducated idiots. You keep being you. They’ll keep feeding you. Sometime say thanks though.
Now I’ve gotta go fill my truck up with ethanol.
Now I’ve gotta go fill my truck up with ethanol.
Same here. Filling up with E85 on my way home tonight.
Thank you for driving up food prices worldwide by reducing the amount of farmland committed to food production in response to ethanol subsidies.
Now I’ve gotta go fill my truck up with ethanol.
Same here. Filling up with E85 on my way home tonight.
It's quite funny both of you are too stupid to see the irony in this.
"Five Ethanol Myths, Busted:
MYTH NO. 1: ETHANOL REQUIRES MORE ENERGY TO MAKE THAN IT YIELDS.
False. Argonne National Laboratory research has shown that corn ethanol delivers a positive energy balance of 8.8 megajoules per liter.
MYTH NO. 2: ETHANOL PRODUCTION REDUCES OUR FOOD SUPPLY.
False. Only 1 percent of all corn grown in this country is eaten by humans. The rest is No. 2 yellow field corn, which is indigestible to humans and used in animal feed, food supplements and ethanol.
MYTH NO. 3: ETHANOL CROPS AND PRODUCTION EMIT MORE GREENHOUSE GASES THAN GASOLINE. False
MYTH NO. 4: ETHANOL REQUIRES TOO MUCH WATER TO PRODUCE.
False.
MYTH NO. 5: CARS GET LOWER GAS MILEAGE WITH ETHANOL.
OK, this one’s true."
Related:
"STUDY: WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF LAND FOR BIOFUELS"
"Debunking Biofuels: Do They Really Raise Food Prices?
Between 2011 and 2014, several prominent media outlets ran stories claiming biofuels were responsible for raising food prices because grain that would have been consumed in developing countries was instead converted into biofuel, causing the price of staple food corn to increase. Some of the stories specifically targeted the RFS and called for its repeal. Since the media has introduced to the public the idea that biofuels cause high food prices, other sources have come out to debunk this claim, including the 2014 documentary "Pump."
In 2014, The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported that in 2017 the increase on overall food prices due to the RFS would not be significant, limiting the impact to an increase in food prices of 0.0025%, with an expected 6% increase in corn prices......."
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From some one whose inlaws have a dairy farm in Iowa, I'll just say"You've got to be kidding with that". You've obviously never been on a working farm in your life.
Which is it, the evil corporate mega farms or the monopoly guy farmer? My sister and her husband still run a family owned farm in eastern Iowa and they are middle class at best. The amount of misinformation combined with cynicism in this thread makes me want to vomit. We wouldn’t last a week without the supplies from the grocery store much of which comes from local farms, and you all would be crying like babies if they just dried up.
Nice opinion piece by some person named"Five Ethanol Myths, Busted:
MYTH NO. 1: ETHANOL REQUIRES MORE ENERGY TO MAKE THAN IT YIELDS.
False. Argonne National Laboratory research has shown that corn ethanol delivers a positive energy balance of 8.8 megajoules per liter.
MYTH NO. 2: ETHANOL PRODUCTION REDUCES OUR FOOD SUPPLY.
False. Only 1 percent of all corn grown in this country is eaten by humans. The rest is No. 2 yellow field corn, which is indigestible to humans and used in animal feed, food supplements and ethanol.
MYTH NO. 3: ETHANOL CROPS AND PRODUCTION EMIT MORE GREENHOUSE GASES THAN GASOLINE. False
MYTH NO. 4: ETHANOL REQUIRES TOO MUCH WATER TO PRODUCE.
False.
MYTH NO. 5: CARS GET LOWER GAS MILEAGE WITH ETHANOL.
OK, this one’s true."
Related:
"STUDY: WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF LAND FOR BIOFUELS"
"Debunking Biofuels: Do They Really Raise Food Prices?
Between 2011 and 2014, several prominent media outlets ran stories claiming biofuels were responsible for raising food prices because grain that would have been consumed in developing countries was instead converted into biofuel, causing the price of staple food corn to increase. Some of the stories specifically targeted the RFS and called for its repeal. Since the media has introduced to the public the idea that biofuels cause high food prices, other sources have come out to debunk this claim, including the 2014 documentary "Pump."
In 2014, The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported that in 2017 the increase on overall food prices due to the RFS would not be significant, limiting the impact to an increase in food prices of 0.0025%, with an expected 6% increase in corn prices......."
Read more: Debunking Biofuels: Do They Really Raise Food Prices? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/article...ey-really-raise-food-prices.asp#ixzz4vQYpckTw
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I'm sure in your research you saw there are many organizations worldwide that dispute the opionion of this writer Melissa Parietti...from MIT to Global CCS. I actually don't care other than why are there subsidies."Five Ethanol Myths, Busted:
MYTH NO. 1: ETHANOL REQUIRES MORE ENERGY TO MAKE THAN IT YIELDS.
False. Argonne National Laboratory research has shown that corn ethanol delivers a positive energy balance of 8.8 megajoules per liter.
MYTH NO. 2: ETHANOL PRODUCTION REDUCES OUR FOOD SUPPLY.
False. Only 1 percent of all corn grown in this country is eaten by humans. The rest is No. 2 yellow field corn, which is indigestible to humans and used in animal feed, food supplements and ethanol.
MYTH NO. 3: ETHANOL CROPS AND PRODUCTION EMIT MORE GREENHOUSE GASES THAN GASOLINE. False
MYTH NO. 4: ETHANOL REQUIRES TOO MUCH WATER TO PRODUCE.
False.
MYTH NO. 5: CARS GET LOWER GAS MILEAGE WITH ETHANOL.
OK, this one’s true."
Related:
"STUDY: WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF LAND FOR BIOFUELS"
"Debunking Biofuels: Do They Really Raise Food Prices?
Between 2011 and 2014, several prominent media outlets ran stories claiming biofuels were responsible for raising food prices because grain that would have been consumed in developing countries was instead converted into biofuel, causing the price of staple food corn to increase. Some of the stories specifically targeted the RFS and called for its repeal. Since the media has introduced to the public the idea that biofuels cause high food prices, other sources have come out to debunk this claim, including the 2014 documentary "Pump."
In 2014, The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported that in 2017 the increase on overall food prices due to the RFS would not be significant, limiting the impact to an increase in food prices of 0.0025%, with an expected 6% increase in corn prices......."
Read more: Debunking Biofuels: Do They Really Raise Food Prices? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/article...ey-really-raise-food-prices.asp#ixzz4vQYpckTw
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you have never been to a Amish community as the don't use any time of powered machinery and less than a century ago all this new found gagetry did not exist and the farmer did just fine feeding not only their family and the world.What powers those big ass tractors Jim Bob drives out in the field? What are tractors made out of and where does that come from? What lubricates them? Who engineers the seed corn Jim Bob plants? Where do the pesticides Jim Bob apply come from? Unless the Jim Bobs you know have backgrounds in geology, chemistry, biology, genetics, engineering, it's quite obvious you don't know what the hell you're talking about. That's just the sciences to focus on, I'm not even going to get into infrastructure jobs or the hundred other fields that allow farmers to "feed the world".
I'm thrilled you decided to use the pre-industrial revolution example. Lets say me and my petroleum geology buddies take a few years off. I want to hear where you think Jim Bob comes up with the millions of oxen that are going to be needed within 6 months to harvest/plant. Here's a hint... they don't. They might be able to come up with a couple, and at that point, they're not feeding the world, they're going to be lucky to feed their family.
You seem to have an extremely limited view on "feeding the world". You're very focused on the act of harvesting without any real thought of what all went into that act.