Can You Be Conservative or Liberal and ALSO Non-Partisan?
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Sure, I would. He's making establishment tremble. Well, I should amend that with, as long as he's making the establishment tremble, I would vote for him. If I detect he's sold-out, or reveals he's a shill in some way? Then, no. But, as long as he's making the owners nervous? Absolutely.
It only weakens it if you're NOT making the distinction. You're not, apparently.
That's kinda my take as well.
There's abundant evidence of vote-count tampering and rigging that it's pretty foolish to think you're making a difference at the ballot box. But, that won't stop those who viscerally believe in politics changing the world.
Sanders has been consistent as long as I have paid attention to him. I actually stumbled onto Bernie about ten years ago with a video clip of his that was similar to Ron Paul's. Progressives and libertarians can really mesh on the fourth, and their stance on war.
Bernie does have a blemish for voting for the war in Afghanistan in my opinion.
Anyone outside of Sanders that so you think has a chance to represent you?
I agree with this. I believe in gay rights, I believe in common sense protecting the environment whether I believe all the doom and gloom or not. Also, I believe in keeping religion out of politics and a woman's right to choose as long as she decides early.
There are 2 reasons I'm voting Republican next time. The first is I believe in as small as government as possible. Provide the basic services and GTFO of my life. Sadly, the Republicans are barely better than the Dems anymore on small government.
But really the only issue that matters is to me is lower taxes. As bad as the cons are socially for me taxes trumps all.
I think it's fairly common for those who oppose a war to nevertheless vote to provide the money to support the troops and such once they lose the battle against fighting.
Everybody believes in as small a government as possible. Think about it.
What you and most who spout that are really saying is that you don't want the government to do some of the things it now does. Which is a position you are perfectly entitled to take. But just because I want the government to do more than you want it to do doesn't meant I want it to be any bigger than it needs to be to get those things done.
Some of us - although not many Republicans - even want us to pay for the things we want the government to do. Imagine that.
What? You now support more redistribution? In another thread you were calling for zero taxes. How do you square this?
I don't know that Sanders "represents me", but I like what he seems to be motivated by. I'm not entirely on-board with his ideology either. Jan Helfeld did an interview with him which was kind of interesting. Helfeld is close to anarcho-capitalist (if I have to use a label).
I had a state-sponsored (SC) caller poll about the GOP. And, I saved the pollster a lot of time by saying "The only GOP candidate I would ever even consider supporting, or voting for, would be Rand Paul. The rest you can count me as being strongly-opposed." I don't even like our Republican Governor- Nikki Haley- either. Lindsey Graham? No way, no day. But, that doesn't mean I like Democrats.
I haven't really looked at many other candidates. I wish there were more Ron Paul's. He wasn't "Republican" or Democrat. The label of "Libertarian" seems inaccurate, too. I don't like any of the labels, to be frank. I think they're misleading and they cause more disruption, exploitation and division than anything else.
I'm actually more interested in finding candidates that challenge the status quo. "Winning elections" is not that important.
I don't see his voting for the Afghanistan War a blemish necessarily. I learned he was a conscientious objector during Vietnam. I like that. He's not a total pacifist, I don't think. If he makes Lockheed-Martin and Goldman-Sachs uneasy, then I like him.
Their socio-political ideologies rarely make it into actual legislation anyway, as a President. I think "Obamacare" is incorrectly named. I don't think Barack Obama is responsible for it at all. Why should he get the credit? I also don't see how Obamacare is getting us any closer to single-payer. I think it got us further away from it.
Their socio-political ideologies rarely make it into actual legislation anyway, as a President. I think "Obamacare" is incorrectly named. I don't think Barack Obama is responsible for it at all. Why should he get the credit? I also don't see how Obamacare is getting us any closer to single-payer. I think it got us further away from it.
Why don't you go one day with out posting political crap.I'll bet you can't.Blah,blah,blahblah blahh blah blah blah.
a vote is not support for anything, silly, a vote is simply ones and zeros out there in cyber space, for the new world order to grab off the cloud, and assign to whom they please. I wish I could assign my vote. I would much rather assign it to Bernie rather than Hillary or jeb, but the new world order and bilderbergs shall grab my vote and assign it to Hillary or jeb. oh well. a vote is a wish, a mere thought- out there in cyberspace, where wishes go to quietly die.
btw, if we the people were to give Bernie zero taxes to play with {that is our duty, to hamstring he the king}
what would he distribute? cars from GM?
what would he distribute? cars from GM?
What am I then?
Personally I think this is far too simplistic of a way of looking at politics. Most Americans fall into those categories simply because for multiple reasons we only have 2 parties that ever have a chance at winning any federal offices and they want to fit in and have someone who has a chance at winning to vote for.
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Ehh it makes some sense. I would understand it to mean that you won't carry a party's water when you think they are screwing up.
But for practical purposes if you are liberal you are a D or one of the smaller parties like Green party or Socialist party.
If you are a conservative you are a R or you are one of the smaller parties like constitution or libertarian.
To be fair I see more difference between the R's and the libertarian party and the constitution party then I do between the D's and the socialists and the Greens.
Socialists and Greens are just more hard-line liberals then D's. Libertarian and Constitution party straight up oppose the R's when it comes to foreign policy.
That's the same thing I said. You have to pick a team or sit on the sidelines.
I don't think refusing to pick a team is the same thing as sitting on the sidelines.
I do vote for major party candidates when I find their views semi-palatable.
