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Casualties of the "Coal Wars"

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SCOTT DEPOT, W.Va. (AP) — Busloads of United Mine Workers of America miners and retirees roared in protest outside Patriot Coal headquarters Monday, as the bankrupt company looks to nix a union contract that includes pension contributions and health benefits.

From a makeshift stage on the bed of a tow truck, UMWA President Cecil Roberts bellowed out to a camouflage-clad crowd of 1,500 to 1,800 miners and led them in a march to nearby Patriot headquarters. UMWA packed twenty-two buses of miners from Kentucky, West Virginia, Pennsylvania and elsewhere, according to union spokesman Phil Smith.

"If you think that this crowd is big, you try to mine one lump of coal without us," Roberts shouted to union miners. "We won't just stand in front of your offices. We'll stand in front of your coal mines. We'll stand in front of your cleaning plants. We'll block the roads and nobody will have a job."

Roberts told the crowd he would go to jail for trespassing on Patriot property, like he and 15 others did at Patriot's Charleston office in a 2013 rally over similar benefits issues during the company's previous bankruptcy.

This time, however, Patriot's headquarters in Scott Depot were empty.

"I regret to inform you that nobody's home," Roberts told the crowd before sending them back to the nearby parking lot.

Patriot filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on May 12, its second bankruptcy filing in three years. The company wants permission from a federal bankruptcy judge in Virginia to reject the company's collective bargaining agreement with union miners and change retirees' health care benefits. Patriot wrote that it would otherwise run out of cash and have to liquidate.

The company says the move is necessary in order to close on a proposed partial sale to Lexington, Kentucky-based Blackhawk Mining LLC.

Otherwise, the company would need to consider "the tragic alternative: liquidation, the loss of all jobs, and the Debtors' inability to provide any benefits to their employees or retirees," Patriot has written in legal filings.

For union mine retirees, a cut to their pensions and health benefits would snap an essential pact that they rely on for their livelihood. This is the second time in two years those benefits have been threatened for Patriot union miners and retirees.

"You've got to remember that we took a lot less on the hour than we could have taken," said Rick Glover, a retired miner from Cabin Creek. "But there was a promise given to us about our health care, from cradle to grave."

Patriot is hardly the only coal producer flailing in central Appalachia. Companies in the struggling region have waned in recent years, shedding jobs amid low natural gas prices, dwindling coal seams, competition from other states, weaker market conditions and federal regulations.

Alpha Natural Resources, Walter Energy Inc. and James River Coal Co. have also sought bankruptcy protection.

Before the rally Monday, Patriot announced plans to sell some of its assets to an affiliate of the nonprofit Virginia Conservation Legacy Fund. Patriot says the Fund would assume $400 million in Patriot's workers' compensation, state black lung and environmental obligations.

Patriot employs about 2,760 people, with about a third represented by the union, according to bankruptcy filings.

The company did not comment on why its headquarters were empty on Monday afternoon.

"We continue to expect that most Patriot employees at our mining operations will have job opportunities with Blackhawk or VCLF when the transactions are completed," the company said in a statement. "In particular, the VCLF transaction just announced today is expected to provide future job opportunities for UMWA-affiliated employees at our Federal and Hobet mines (in West Virginia)."
 
I was in Kentucky a few weeks ago and it was being reported that number of mining jobs was tumbling. Predictably Mitch McConnell blamed President Obama. Not market forces, or companies increasing mechanization because miners keep dying and negatively affecting their balance sheets.
 
SCOTT DEPOT, W.Va. (AP) — Busloads of United Mine Workers of America miners and retirees roared in protest outside Patriot Coal headquarters Monday, as the bankrupt company looks to nix a union contract that includes pension contributions and health benefits.

From a makeshift stage on the bed of a tow truck, UMWA President Cecil Roberts bellowed out to a camouflage-clad crowd of 1,500 to 1,800 miners and led them in a march to nearby Patriot headquarters. UMWA packed twenty-two buses of miners from Kentucky, West Virginia, Pennsylvania and elsewhere, according to union spokesman Phil Smith.

"If you think that this crowd is big, you try to mine one lump of coal without us," Roberts shouted to union miners. "We won't just stand in front of your offices. We'll stand in front of your coal mines. We'll stand in front of your cleaning plants. We'll block the roads and nobody will have a job."

Roberts told the crowd he would go to jail for trespassing on Patriot property, like he and 15 others did at Patriot's Charleston office in a 2013 rally over similar benefits issues during the company's previous bankruptcy.

This time, however, Patriot's headquarters in Scott Depot were empty.

"I regret to inform you that nobody's home," Roberts told the crowd before sending them back to the nearby parking lot.

Patriot filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on May 12, its second bankruptcy filing in three years. The company wants permission from a federal bankruptcy judge in Virginia to reject the company's collective bargaining agreement with union miners and change retirees' health care benefits. Patriot wrote that it would otherwise run out of cash and have to liquidate.

The company says the move is necessary in order to close on a proposed partial sale to Lexington, Kentucky-based Blackhawk Mining LLC.

Otherwise, the company would need to consider "the tragic alternative: liquidation, the loss of all jobs, and the Debtors' inability to provide any benefits to their employees or retirees," Patriot has written in legal filings.

For union mine retirees, a cut to their pensions and health benefits would snap an essential pact that they rely on for their livelihood. This is the second time in two years those benefits have been threatened for Patriot union miners and retirees.

"You've got to remember that we took a lot less on the hour than we could have taken," said Rick Glover, a retired miner from Cabin Creek. "But there was a promise given to us about our health care, from cradle to grave."

Patriot is hardly the only coal producer flailing in central Appalachia. Companies in the struggling region have waned in recent years, shedding jobs amid low natural gas prices, dwindling coal seams, competition from other states, weaker market conditions and federal regulations.

Alpha Natural Resources, Walter Energy Inc. and James River Coal Co. have also sought bankruptcy protection.

Before the rally Monday, Patriot announced plans to sell some of its assets to an affiliate of the nonprofit Virginia Conservation Legacy Fund. Patriot says the Fund would assume $400 million in Patriot's workers' compensation, state black lung and environmental obligations.

Patriot employs about 2,760 people, with about a third represented by the union, according to bankruptcy filings.

The company did not comment on why its headquarters were empty on Monday afternoon.

"We continue to expect that most Patriot employees at our mining operations will have job opportunities with Blackhawk or VCLF when the transactions are completed," the company said in a statement. "In particular, the VCLF transaction just announced today is expected to provide future job opportunities for UMWA-affiliated employees at our Federal and Hobet mines (in West Virginia)."
 
Read an article last week that declared Obama was killing the coal industry to bankrupt them, so someone close to him could swoop in and make a financial killing. It was written by a former coal executive so I took it with a grain of salt. Lo and behold George Soros bought a lot of stock in a couple coal companies. One company, Peabody, was trading for $90 a share 6 years ago and now trades for $1 a share. Either he wants to put the final dagger in these companies for his leftist environmental friends or he wants to make a financial killing. I'm betting on the latter. Lead story on the Fox News website, to lazy to link.
 
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Read an article last week that declared Obama was killing the coal industry to bankrupt them, so someone close to him could swoop in and make a financial killing. It was written by a former coal executive so I took it with a grain of salt. Lo and behold George Soros bought a lot of stock in a couple coal companies. One company, Peabody, was trading for $90 a share 6 years ago and now trades for $1 a share. Either he wants to put the final dagger in these companies for his leftist environmental friends or he wants to make a financial killing. I'm betting on the latter. Lead story on the Fox News website, to lazy to link.
That reads like a Warren Buffett tactic. Wouldn't be surprised. You also have had Al Gore pimping for green companies, and making a killing. Nothing wrong with Gore making money but we should look at those commenting on AGW with a skeptical eye if they have a financial stake in the outcome in the debate. This goes for Big Oil and Big Green.
 
I was in Kentucky a few weeks ago and it was being reported that number of mining jobs was tumbling. Predictably Mitch McConnell blamed President Obama. Not market forces, or companies increasing mechanization because miners keep dying and negatively affecting their balance sheets.
You honestly think Obama's policies (including his latest EPA power grab) has had no negative impact on the coal industry and it's jobs? If you think so, I'd like to introduce you to Dem, Joe Manchin, who would strongly disagree with that opinion. Not even the environmentalist disagree Obama has been bad for coal jobs, they are extremely proud of that fact.
 
Damn all those bastards who think Americans should have clean air to breathe and clean water to drink! The coal industry has been doomed for decades. That's a fact. If you wanna make it politics, go ahead. I'll make it simple for you......Breathe dirty polluted air and rot your lungs or go ahead and mine that sulpherer ridden crap that will kill you all before your time. Coal and tobacco industries are quite similar.
 
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The Fracking Industry has killed coal. Obama is just putting nails in the coffin.
 
Damn all those bastards who think Americans should have clean air to breathe and clean water to drink! The coal industry has been doomed for decades. That's a fact. If you wanna make it politics, go ahead. I'll make it simple for you......Breathe dirty polluted air and rot your lungs or go ahead and mine that sulpherer ridden crap that will kill you all before your time. Coal and tobacco industries are quite similar.
It is all about politics. BHO himself said he would shut down the business. A dem killing Union jobs? How delicious is that?
 
It is all about politics. BHO himself said he would shut down the business. A dem killing Union jobs? How delicious is that?
It is all about politics. BHO himself said he would shut down the business. A dem killing Union jobs? How delicious is that?
It is MUCh more than politics aflachawk. It is a lot about SCIENCE and facts. Coal is a dirty source of energy. Coal pollutes. Coal kills.
 
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Fracking hasn't killed coal. I work for a railroad, Sand car traffic is way down this year, as is coal. O'reilly is getting ready to talk about Soros tonight on the factor.
 
I was in Kentucky a few weeks ago and it was being reported that number of mining jobs was tumbling. Predictably Mitch McConnell blamed President Obama. Not market forces, or companies increasing mechanization because miners keep dying and negatively affecting their balance sheets.


It IS Obama's fault. He stated before he ran that he was going to "bankrupt" the coal companies.

Don't you do any research at all?
 
It IS Obama's fault. He stated before he ran that he was going to "bankrupt" the coal companies.

Don't you do any research at all?
and you probably believe that Reagan is solely responsible for the fall of communism. IMCC, "coal's" days have been numbered ever since the 1970's......Its a dirty source of energy that this nation can no longer afford to live with.
 
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I was in Kentucky a few weeks ago and it was being reported that number of mining jobs was tumbling. Predictably Mitch McConnell blamed President Obama. Not market forces, or companies increasing mechanization because miners keep dying and negatively affecting their balance sheets.


Here you go. I did your work for you.

 
Its unfortunate people are losing jobs, but far more people are effected by dirty coal, bad air, acid rain, etc. etc.etc.

I'm all for the clean power plan.


How many people are affected and how are they affected? What's their financial status and health status?

If you're going to make a claim, at least provide something that backs it up.
 
" over 131.8 million people—42 percent of the nation—live where pollution levels are too often dangerous to breathe."

- American Lung Association

over 131.8 million people—42 percent of the nation—live where pollution levels are too often dangerous to breathe.


Your link is no good. Where in the name of God does 1/3 of the population live where the air is bad to breathe? We don't live in the 70s anymore. There are so many regulations that it's impossible to even remotely pollute.

Why aren't we hearing of acid rain anymore? Hell, even the three rivers that come together in Pittsburgh don't start on fire anymore.

Don't believe everything you read from the far left sites (I assume that's what you posted since it didn't work).
 
The American Lung Association is far left? So in your world, the left is only concerned with clean air? Ok then. You are in denial. Big time. and yes thank God for the Clean Air Act! Signed by a Republican no less.

The link works BTW.
 
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It is MUCh more than politics aflachawk. It is a lot about SCIENCE and facts. Coal is a dirty source of energy. Coal pollutes. Coal kills.

How much difference will this make in temp change? Hardly none according to the experts. Do some research on soros and what he has done then get back to me.
 
Actually, if the Union would recognize they are in a dieing industry maybe they would come back to the table and rewrite a common sense contract that allows the company to stay solvent for a few more years.

But the typical Union motto is - "None of us are as dumb as ALL of us!"
 
How much difference will this make in temp change? Hardly none according to the experts. Do some research on soros and what he has done then get back to me.

Forget climate change for a minute...there is no arguing the particulate matter, acid rain effects, and dirty air coal produces. Even if you are a climate denier, there is no denying those facts.
 
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Actually, if the Union would recognize they are in a dieing industry maybe they would come back to the table and rewrite a common sense contract that allows the company to stay solvent for a few more years.

But the typical Union motto is - "None of us are as dumb as ALL of us!"

I can't argue with you there but..."mining" is a way of life for many folks....
 
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