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Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon says

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A Chinese surveillance balloon over the United States has been spotted and scrutinized by the U.S. military for several days, the Pentagon said Thursday, a new development in a time of spiking tensions between the two countries.

A senior U.S. defense official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon, said the Defense Department considered shooting it down over Montana on Wednesday but decided against doing so out of concern for what might happen to the debris.

U.S. military officials are taking additional steps to obscure sensitive sites, the senior official said, declining to elaborate.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, traveling in the Philippines, convened a meeting of senior defense officials to discuss the issue on Wednesday.
This is a developing story and will be updated.

 
A Chinese surveillance balloon is collecting intelligence over the continental United States “right now,” U.S. officials disclosed Thursday, acknowledging that the Pentagon has been monitoring the craft for several days and briefly considered shooting it down before concluding that doing so posed a safety risk.

The balloon is traveling at an altitude “well above commercial air traffic and does not present a military or physical threat to people on the ground,” Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters in a hastily arranged news conference. The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) continues to track the balloon’s course, but officials would not specify its present whereabouts.

The striking development comes at a time of peak tension between the world powers, and just hours ahead of Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s expected departure for Beijing, where he is to hold a series of long-scheduled meetings with senior Chinese officials. The high-stakes visit, Blinken’s first to the country as the United States’ top diplomat, is aimed at stabilizing the U.S.-China relationship — a goal that could become more difficult following the espionage aircraft’s appearance in U.S. airspace.






The State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning said Friday that the government was in the process of “checking the situation,” but that China “has no intention of infringing on any country’s territory and airspace.”
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Thursday’s disclosure elicited a furious response from lawmakers in both political parties. Reps. Mike Gallagher (R.-Wis.) and Raja Krishnamoorthi (D.-Ill.), the leaders of a House select committee on China, issued a joint statement saying, “The Chinese Communist Party should not have on-demand access to American airspace.”
“Not only is this a violation of American sovereignty, coming only days before Secretary Blinken’s trip to the [People’s Republic of China], but it also makes clear that the [Chinese Communist Party’s] recent diplomatic overtures do not represent a substantive change in policy,” they said. The incident demonstrates that the threat posed by China “is not confined to distant shores — it is here at home and we must act to counter this threat,” they added.



Some Republicans, though, portrayed the matter as a failure of the Biden administration to secure American airspace. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) characterized it as “destabilizing,” writing on Twitter that President Biden “cannot be silent.”
McCarthy called on the administration to meet with the Gang of Eight, a panel of lawmakers comprising the top Republican and Democratic leadership in the House and Senate plus the heads of each chamber’s intelligence committee. One official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive and evolving situation, said Thursday night that staffers in each of those offices were briefed earlier in the day and that additional meetings were offered.

An aerial view of the Pentagon in Arlington, Va. (Patrick Semansky/AP)
At the Pentagon, Ryder sought to offer assurances that any threat to U.S. national security was being appropriately managed. “Once the balloon was detected,” he said, “the U.S. government acted immediately to prevent against the collection of sensitive information.” Without elaborating, he noted that similar activity has been observed before — spanning a period of “several years.”



A U.S. intelligence official said after Thursday’s news conference that similar balloons, carrying guidance systems on board, have been detected previously over Hawaii and Guam, a U.S. territory that houses substantial American military assets.
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The incident, first reported by NBC News, prompted a series of unusual events as the balloon was observed Wednesday over sparsely populated Montana, officials said. The state is home to numerous U.S. nuclear missile silos.
Biden, upon being briefed about the development, requested military options, officials said. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, traveling in the Philippines, convened a meeting with senior advisers to assess how the United States might respond, and they at least briefly discussed shooting down the balloon, one official said in a conference call with reporters.



Senior military officers, including Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, advised against such a move, citing concerns that falling debris could put people and property at risk, the senior official said.
The balloon’s flight path takes it over “a number of sensitive sites,” this official said, but it appears it does not have the ability to collect information that is “over and above” other tools at China’s disposal, such as low-orbit satellites. Nevertheless, the Pentagon is taking undisclosed “mitigation steps” to prevent Beijing from gathering additional intelligence.
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“We know exactly where this balloon is, exactly what it is passing over, and we are taking steps to be extra vigilant so that we can mitigate any foreign intelligence risk,” the official said.

This official acknowledged that, as the Pentagon contemplated how to respond as the balloon was over Montana, civilian flights in the area were halted and U.S. military aircraft, including advanced F-22 fighter jets, were sent to investigate.
“We wanted to make sure we were coordinating with civil authorities to empty out the airspace around that potential area,” the official said. “But even with those protective measures taken, it was the judgment of our military commanders that we didn’t drive the risk down low enough. So we didn’t take the shot.”

President Biden meets with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the G-20 summit in Bali, Indonesia, in November 2022. (Alex Brandon/AP)
Before reaching the U.S. mainland, the balloon initially soared above Alaska’s Aleutian Islands and then over Canada, another U.S. official said. It was not clear from where the balloon was launched initially. Canadian officials said in a statement that they were taking steps — “including the monitoring of a potential second incident” — to ensure their country’s airspace is secure.
 
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They have satellites. As the article explains to those who don't understand the obvious, this balloon gives them nothing that they don't already have.
Not true. Why do you think the U.S still employs surveillance aircraft? We have satellites.

 
China said Friday that a balloon spotted over American airspace was used for weather research and was blown off course, despite U.S. suspicion it was spying. The discovery further strained already tense relations between Beijing and Washington.
The Pentagon decided not to shoot down the balloon, which was potentially flying over sensitive sites, because of concerns of hurting people on the ground.
The news came as U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken was expected to make his first trip to Beijing this weekend. The visit has not been formally announced, and it was not immediately clear if the balloon's discovery would affect his travel plans. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said Friday she had no information on the trip.

Blinken would be the highest-ranking member of President Joe Biden's administration to visit China, on a mission to mitigate a sharp downturn in relations between the countries amid trade disputes and concerns about Beijing's increasingly aggressive stance toward Taiwan and in the South China Sea.




In a statement late Friday, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said the balloon a was civilian airship used mainly for meteorological research. The ministry said the airship has limited "self-steering" capabilities and "deviated far from its planned course" because of winds.
"The Chinese side regrets the unintended entry of the airship into U.S. airspace due to force majeure," the statement said, citing a legal term used to refer to events beyond one's control.





A high altitude balloon floats over Billings, Mont., on Wednesday, Feb. 1, 2023. The U.S. is tracking a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that has been spotted over U.S. airspace for a couple days, but the Pentagon decided not to shoot it down due to risks of harm for people on the ground, officials said Thursday, Feb. 2, 2023.
Larry Mayer/The Billings Gazette via AP

On Thursday, a senior American defense official told Pentagon reporters that the U.S. has "very high confidence" that the object spotted over U.S. airspace in recent days was a Chinese high-altitude balloon and that it was flying over sensitive sites to collect information. One of the places the balloon was spotted was Montana, which is home to one of the nation's three nuclear missile silo fields at Malmstrom Air Force Base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

The defense official said the U.S. has assessed that the balloon has "limited" value in terms of providing intelligence that couldn't be obtained by other technologies, such as spy satellites.

It was not clear what will happen with the balloon if it isn't brought down.

Pentagon press secretary Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder said Thursday that similar balloon activity has been seen in the past several years and the government has taken steps to ensure no sensitive information was stolen.
He said the balloon was traveling well above the height commercial aircraft fly at and didn't present a threat to people on the ground.

Biden was briefed and asked the military to present options, according to a senior administration official, who was also not authorized to publicly discuss sensitive information. The senior defense official said the U.S. prepared fighter jets, including F-22s, to shoot down the balloon if ordered.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, advised against taking "kinetic action" because of risks to the safety of people on the ground. Biden accepted that recommendation.

Even though the balloon was over a sparsely populated area of Montana, its size would create a debris field large enough that it could have put people at risk.

 
Secretary of State Antony Blinken has postponed a planned high-stakes weekend diplomatic trip to China as the Biden administration weighs a broader response to the discovery of a high-altitude Chinese balloon flying over sensitive sites in the western United States, a U.S. official said Friday.

 
It’s the size of three school buses they said….that isn’t any weather balloon….I’ve seen weather balloons.

They said it’s happened before, yet this is the first time they are publicizing it so much? Makes me wonder what’s up.

Very interesting, Blinken just postponed his China trip.
 
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Secretary of State Antony Blinken has postponed a planned high-stakes weekend diplomatic trip to China as the Biden administration weighs a broader response to the discovery of a high-altitude Chinese balloon flying over sensitive sites in the western United States, a U.S. official said Friday.

Accidently strayed over...
Elmendorf AFB
Mountain Home AFB
Nuclear Missile fields in North and South Dakota
Ellsworth AFB
Offutt AFB
Whiteman AFB
 
Accidently strayed over...
Elmendorf AFB
Mountain Home AFB
Nuclear Missile fields in North and South Dakota
Ellsworth AFB
Offutt AFB
Whiteman AFB
I wonder what can be seen from the balloon that couldn't be seen from satellites?

Anyone know how high up the balloon is? I can't recall seeing that mentioned.

Edit: ABC and a few less well-known sources are reporting it's at 60K feet.

According to this site, spy satellites are typically 10x higher up (~300 miles vs ~30 miles), and sometimes a lot more. But if most of the Earth's atmosphere is below the balloon, would the resolution be that much better? I guess the Chinese think so. Which is why it would be nice to check out their gear.

 
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Then the question is whether the Balloon is booby-trapped.

I'm assuming some smart folks can figure out how to put a small hole in the balloon and then snag it out of the sky at a lower altitude.
 
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Then the question is whether the Balloon is booby-trapped.

I'm assuming some smart folks can figure out how to put a small hole in the balloon and then snag it out of the sky at a lower altitude.
Yeah, I would also think the Chinese would have the ability to self-detonate it themselves to destroy any sensitive technology, upon it being shot down or some other failure.
 
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The only pics I've seen of this balloon are blurry and grainy.

Why can't we get better pictures?
I would bet that we aren’t seeing the best ones and that intel knows what is in that balloon and what it’s doing.
And if that’s not the case I think some ass kicking is in order.
 
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, advised against taking "kinetic action" because of risks to the safety of people on the ground. Biden accepted that recommendation.

Even though the balloon was over a sparsely populated area of Montana, its size would create a debris field large enough that it could have put people at risk.
i don't buy this for a second...debris my ass...it's a farking massive balloon, poke a nice sized hole in it and it's going to go down gracefully...
that said pretty sure we know what we're doing as do the chinese
 
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