CJ Beathard: "Modestly gifted"

[HawkNorth]

This is one man's opinion and he does pick Iowa (reluctantly) to win the West, but to call CJ "modestly gifted"? He should actually watch a game from last year before he writes these things.

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/06/big_ten_football_west_division.html#8

 

[Alum-Ni]

OWH writer kinda says the same thing:

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/mckewo...cle_af929070-1081-5860-a197-f255d269c0ad.html

Beathard's biggest attribute is he doesn't make mistakes.

 

[ichawk24]

"There’s nothing adventuresome about Iowa quarterback C.J. Beathard."

Despite his injury issues, CJ finished 10th in QBR's rush stats. Tommy Armstrong finished 15th.

We will see what a (hopefully) healthy CJ can do this fall.

 

[pocha444444]

I heard Mel Kiper say something similar on the radio a few weeks ago. I think his injury last year and the Iowa offense in general are reasons for these perceptions. I'm also guessing Kiper hasn't really studied a whole lot of Beathard tape to this point.

 

[fredjr82]

Beathard's biggest attribute is he doesn't make mistakes

That's a euphemism for "game manager". In my opinion CJB is better than a "game manager". He'll take some risks, throw the ball downfield, etc. Is he as much of a "gun slinger" than Brett Farve? Nobody is. But he's much more of a "gun slinger" than Rudock/James Vandengerg ever were in their careers.

I'll say that Beathard's biggest attribute is his leadership. You can tell everyone on that offense would follow him into battle. I'm not sure Rudock could have said the same. Now, is a leader effective if he makes too many mistakes? Probably not, but Ricky Stanzi made a TON of mistakes his junior year and still won the Orange Bowl. I prefer some chances be taken rather than playing to not make mistakes and I think that showed in the QB position when you compare 2014 and 2015

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

I can't think of anything CJ cannot do on the football field. He was one helluva QB last year playing on one leg. If the young man can stay healthy and the O-line can provide reasonable protection, watch out. Take a look at the ISU and Pitt games, not to mention the BIG title game, and tell me CJ is "modestly gifted."

Beathard is "modestly gifted" the same way that Tom Brady is.

Remember what these folks are saying and check back with them around mid-December. You'll enjoy laughing in their totally ungifted faces.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

You only have to watch his TD leap for the pile on* against Indiana (running with an injury) and a few throws last year to see he is more than a modestly gifted athlete. If he is healthy this year, I am anticipating a huge year from CJ.

 

[icu81222]

OWH writer kinda says the same thing:

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/mckewo...cle_af929070-1081-5860-a197-f255d269c0ad.html

Beathard's biggest attribute is he doesn't make mistakes.

Yeah I read that article too. The most ridiculous thing was the actual tweet from the author when promoting his article.

He had the balls to say that Tommy Armstrong actually has much more upside then CJ beathard. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard

 

[icu81222]

@swmckewonOWH: Sunday column: CJ Beathard was best of #B1G West QBs in 2015, but Tommy Armstrong has heigher ceiling & better WRs. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/mckewo...cle_af929070-1081-5860-a197-f255d269c0ad.html

 

[NevadaHawk]

Some writers,(and I use that term loosely), still believe little Iowa has no business mixing it up with big boys of college football. They will try, (in vain), to try find anything they can use to pull the program down. If the author of that article can only come up with CJB is only "modestly gifted" then his entire premise is completely flawed. Assuming CJB stays healthy , he not only will be the top QB in the west, he will be the best QB in the B1G period. Some will say that honor should go to Barrett at OSU but I think otherwise.

 

[MepoDawg#]

If modestly gifted gets him drafted in the first 3 rounds, could be higher with good year, then I'll take modestly gifted any day.

 

[Rustys Dad]

I used to be a sportswriter. I know plenty of sportswriters. I don't worry about anything said by sportswriters.

 

[DodgerHawki]

OWH writer kinda says the same thing:

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/mckewo...cle_af929070-1081-5860-a197-f255d269c0ad.html

Beathard's biggest attribute is he doesn't make mistakes.

Disagree. Beathard didn't make mistakes last year, but Rudock didn't make mistakes and Iowa wasn't very good. Especially before Beathard's injury in the Pitt game, he did a lot of things with his legs and in converting 3rd and medium and 3rd and longs. I can't dig them up right now, but ESPN had Beathard's 4th-quarter stats as being the best in the league. He did more than just "manage the game." The one game where he did just that was the Nebraska game. Weather that day made protecting the football a premium, and that's exactly what Beathard did.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Yeah I read that article too. The most ridiculous thing was the actual tweet from the author when promoting his article.

He had the balls to say that Tommy Armstrong actually has much more upside then CJ beathard. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Armstrong is considered to have huge upside because he can run. But he's demonstrated an inability to make good decisions on the fly. If you can't do that, the QB's upside is going to be limited no matter they physical gifts. And while Armstrong has physical gifts, he's not Cam Newton or Johnny Manziel in his physical ability.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

Did some of these people miss that TD pass in the B1G champ game where he threw it around 58 yards in the air?

 

[scotthawk1964]

I think CJ is being penalized by these guys for having a run game and not having to throw the ball all over the yard, and then not giving him enough credit for playing on one leg for over half the season. I know I wouldn't take Tommy, Leidner or JT over CJ Beathard. You know, I could point out a ton of NFL quarterbacks who had a tremendously high ceiling worth of gifted skills, but I would take the limited and steady JOE MONTANA any day of the week over just about any QB that ever played the game. Gifted is one thing, WINNING is another. I can only dream that CJ can can stay healthy for the entire season.

 

[soybean]

I think CJ is being penalized by these guys for having a run game and not having to throw the ball all over the yard, and then not giving him enough credit for playing on one leg for over half the season. I know I wouldn't take Tommy, Leidner or JT over CJ Beathard. You know, I could point out a ton of NFL quarterbacks who had a tremendously high ceiling worth of gifted skills, but I would take the limited and steady JOE MONTANA any day of the week over just about any QB that ever played the game. Gifted is one thing, WINNING is another. I can only dream that CJ can can stay healthy for the entire season.

This.

 

[David1979]

Yeah I don't think people that say these things didn't watch much of him or any of him and didn't know he played with a groin injury for like 3/4 of the season. The people that actually watch him no how talented he is. Just like in the Big 10 championship game. The announcers knew little about him but by the middle of the game they were singing his praises and saying he was outplaying Cook.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

More thin skinned Hawks? What exactly is wrong with modestly gifted? And this was for a QB that was hurt almost the entire year.

The very LAST thing this team needs is a bunch of preseason accolades. Do you really want CJ under the "Heisman" microscope?

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

I can't think of anything CJ cannot do on the football field. He was one helluva QB last year playing on one leg. If the young man can stay healthy and the O-line can provide reasonable protection, watch out. Take a look at the ISU and Pitt games, not to mention the BIG title game, and tell me CJ is "modestly gifted."

Beathard is "modestly gifted" the same way that Tom Brady is.

Remember what these folks are saying and check back with them around mid-December. You'll enjoy laughing in their totally ungifted faces.

When I think of a game manager I think of Tom Brady and when you ask me who the greatest QB of all time is I also think of Tom Brady. Not a Brady fan but really can't argue the #'s. Also if you watch him play it is a ton of checkdowns and when it is there he takes it....much like CJB. Lets also remember Brady got benched for a more "talented" freshman when he was a senior at Michigan. So this whole game manager crap is just that....it is crap. There is only one QB that was a gun slinger in the NFL that was successful, Brett Favre. Whom I hate, but dude was good. The best are what I would call "game manager" Montana, Manning, Brady ect... Jeff George could make every throw in the NFL, but dude was garbage. I starting to think game manager is more of a compliment now a days

 

[Hawk and Awe]

When I think of a game manager I think of Tom Brady and when you ask me who the greatest QB of all time is I also think of Tom Brady. Not a Brady fan but really can't argue the #'s. Also if you watch him play it is a ton of checkdowns and when it is there he takes it....much like CJB. Lets also remember Brady got benched for a more "talented" freshman when he was a senior at Michigan. So this whole game manager crap is just that....it is crap. There is only one QB that was a gun slinger in the NFL that was successful, Brett Favre. Whom I hate, but dude was good. The best are what I would call "game manager" Montana, Manning, Brady ect... Jeff George could make every throw in the NFL, but dude was garbage. I starting to think game manager is more of a compliment now a days

I've never realized it, but I completely agree. Great take.

What I always thought made CJB great was what he did on 3rd down. The dude just knows how to move the sticks. He also isn't an increddible runner, but seems to always pick the right time to take off. Yeah he can make big plays, but most of the great drives were grinds.

And anyone upset about the Armstrong "ceiling" stuff makes me laugh. A ceiling can mean anything. He has skills that can't be learned so by definition he has a higher ceiling if he manages to learn all the other stuff CJ has.

 

[HawkeyeMcNutt]

I think CJ is being penalized by these guys for having a run game and not having to throw the ball all over the yard, and then not giving him enough credit for playing on one leg for over half the season. I know I wouldn't take Tommy, Leidner or JT over CJ Beathard. You know, I could point out a ton of NFL quarterbacks who had a tremendously high ceiling worth of gifted skills, but I would take the limited and steady JOE MONTANA any day of the week over just about any QB that ever played the game. Gifted is one thing, WINNING is another. I can only dream that CJ can can stay healthy for the entire season.

I love CJB, but I'm going to take JT Barrett over him if I have the choice. No one else in the B1G, especially Tommy Armpunt.

 

[icu81222]

More thin skinned Hawks? What exactly is wrong with modestly gifted? And this was for a QB that was hurt almost the entire year.

The very LAST thing this team needs is a bunch of preseason accolades. Do you really want CJ under the "Heisman" microscope?

Um...yes. why the hell wouldn't YOU?

What kind of logic is that?

"No, I don't want Iowa or Iowa players getting too much hype or praise. It puts undo pressure on me.....er......I mean them....... What happens if they are actually THAT good and meet or exceed the hype??!! I don't think I........er.......I mean they can handle that.'

Yeah, we don't want the extra media attention and national spotlight on our program. It could only end up being a bad thing

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Um...yes. why the hell wouldn't YOU?

What kind of logic is that?

"No, I don't want Iowa or Iowa players getting too much hype or praise. It puts undo pressure on me.....er......I mean them....... What happens if they are actually THAT good and meet or exceed the hype??!! I don't think I........er.......I mean they can handle that.'

Yeah, we don't want the extra media attention and national spotlight on our program. It could only end up being a bad thing

Relax - whatever is going to happen will happen without any input from HR.

I think preseason hype is the worst kind. I would love it if they talked about CJ and the team in October and November - not so much in June. It works well for this team to stay off the radar and earn their way on to it.

 

[Dauminator]

Relax - whatever is going to happen will happen without any input from HR.

I think preseason hype is the worst kind. I would love it if they talked about CJ and the team in October and November - not so much in June. It works well for this team to stay off the radar and earn their way on to it.

It sucks when you're praised up and fall flat. But preseason hype does not cause a team to fall flat. Rather, the hype is a result of success that has already come over previous seasons.

So, yes, I'd rather be hyped, because that means we've been doing well. Then let's go out and live up to it.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

It sucks when you're praised up and fall flat. But preseason hype does not cause a team to fall flat. Rather, the hype is a result of success that has already come over previous seasons.

So, yes, I'd rather be hyped, because that means we've been doing well. Then let's go out and live up to it.

You're right. But, I keep remembering 2010 as possibly the most disappointing season in the last 35 years.

 

[icu81222]

You're right. But, I keep remembering 2010 as possibly the most disappointing season in the last 35 years.

So my post is valid.

 

[cleotishaywood]

I've never realized it, but I completely agree. Great take.

What I always thought made CJB great was what he did on 3rd down. The dude just knows how to move the sticks. He also isn't an increddible runner, but seems to always pick the right time to take off. Yeah he can make big plays, but most of the great drives were grinds.

And anyone upset about the Armstrong "ceiling" stuff makes me laugh. A ceiling can mean anything. He has skills that can't be learned so by definition he has a higher ceiling if he manages to learn all the other stuff CJ has.

Quit bagging on Tommy! He was our MVP against Nebraska last year!

 

[Hawk_4shur]

So my post is valid.

Valid? It's an opinion - one I don't share. But, I'm not trying to convince others that I'm right.

 

[mlb1399]

CJB has a ton of intangibles including toughness, leadership, charisma, football IQ, instincts and poise. Having said that, I wouldn't call his accuracy arm strength in the upper echelon of college football. At the same time, we don't need that as long as he can play within his ability and the system.

 

[ukiddinme]

I love CJB, but I'm going to take JT Barrett over him if I have the choice. No one else in the B1G, especially Tommy Armpunt.

Then you have to change entire offense to spread & look to sidelines for reads like osu. He's not a pro QB.
Btw. This time last year Wentz was a free agent according to the "experts ".

 

[HawkeyeMcNutt]

Then you have to change entire offense to spread & look to sidelines for reads like osu. He's not a pro QB.
Btw. This time last year Wentz was a free agent according to the "experts ".

Some guy named Vince Young was awesome in Greg Davis system....obviously you'd tweak some stuff, but JT Barrett would be an awesome QB at Iowa.

 

[nu2u]

My wife said I was modestly gifted also. I took it as a compliment. Now I'm not so sure.

 

[ukiddinme]

Some guy named Vince Young was awesome in Greg Davis system....obviously you'd tweak some stuff, but JT Barrett would be an awesome QB at Iowa.

Well other than he's 6' & just not a passer. He's a running athlete he will pass.

 

[HawkeyeMcNutt]

Well other than he's 6' & just not a passer. He's a running athlete he will pass.

Not a passer? Career 296/461 for 64.2% Completion percentage, 3,826 yards, 8.9 yards per attempt, 45 TDs, 14 INT, and a rating of 160.1 in 23 career games.

 

[ukiddinme]

Not a passer? Career 296/461 for 64.2% Completion percentage, 3,826 yards, 8.9 yards per attempt, 45 TDs, 14 INT, and a rating of 160.1 in 23 career games.

He's a system guy. Good for him. Just like all the Qbs under urban. Not to mention the athletes surrounding him are slightly beneficial in getting those numbers. Compare the athletes surrounding the both Qbs were talking about here. Not close.
So you believe if we traded Qbs w osu we would be better off & osu would be worse?

 

[HawkeyeMcNutt]

He's a system guy. Good for him. Just like all the Qbs under urban. Not to mention the athletes surrounding him are slightly beneficial in getting those numbers. Compare the athletes surrounding the both Qbs were talking about here. Not close.
So you believe if we traded Qbs w osu we would be better off & osu would be worse?

JT Barret can score with his legs from anywhere on the field, and accurately throws the football around the field. CJB is a very good QB. JT Barrett is just a little bit better, and a little bit more explosive, and the Iowa offense can always use more explosiveness.