CJ doesn't like the Badgers...

[StarHawk]

There are lots of ways to deal with guys that cheap shot or get too aggressive...you give it right back. It still is a contact sport, and you can do lots of things that still fall within "a basketball play". The smack to Garza's face for example...sure you could say well everyone is just going for the rebound and excuse Reuvers...but the ball was headed away from Garza and Reuvers...and Reuvers feeling Garza close just whips his arm right into his face...he knew what he was doing believe me.

Garza did a good job of throwing his weight around and bumping them hard...once they decided to play that way....that's good hard old-school basketball....and he drew fouls too from guys that can't play that kind of basketball without fouling or cheap shots.

Wisconsin is just a team that relies on 3-points shots...they have no inside game. But they scrappy and deserve some respect for that...they will beat you if you're team (except Garza) seems to either come out sleep-walking...or become discombobulated by the style of play. Conner...except for getting foul...contributed nothing out there last night...Toussaint was the only other Hawk that showed any fire until late in the game when Weiskamp finally woke up. Time for Kreiner stay away from 3-point area too.

 

[hooper56]

And when they were going through the handshake line, someone leaned in to give Garza a hug. Garza told him to fvck off. Apparently, our boys didn't appreciate Wisky's "style" of play.

I really think it is time to eliminate the handshake line. Too much tension. Never used to do it. Get the teams off the court when the game is over and avoid any incidents and further trash talking.

 

[Rifler]

Time for Kreiner stay away from 3-point area too.

Absolutely not...

 

[jasonrann]

I really think it is time to eliminate the handshake line. Too much tension. Never used to do it. Get the teams off the court when the game is over and avoid any incidents and further trash talking.

I have to admit, I wonder how the players maintain their composure at times. There were instances where I wanted to jump through the TV and punch someone in the face. I can't imagine being the one getting hit the whole time. I think they showed remarkable restraint last night.

 

[mstp1992]

You didn't want our best rebounder in the game on defense up 5?

I think you misunderstood me. I’m talking about after Garza got the technical, and Trice made only 1/2 free throws. Iowa was inbounding at that point with a 4 point lead and only 2.6 (or so) seconds remaining.

I think I might have sat Garza at that point rather than risk something more. You’re simply trying to get the ball into the hands of an Iowa player, and you know a hard foul from Wisconsin was coming. Garza was already emotionally charged at that stage and I worried a cheap foul on him could have drawn him into another flurry (not saying I’d blame him either given the mugging he endured the whole game).

Like I said it’s just a thought and an opinion. Worked out in the end.

 

[iahawks10]

There are lots of ways to deal with guys that cheap shot or get too aggressive...you give it right back. It still is a contact sport, and you can do lots of things that still fall within "a basketball play". The smack to Garza's face for example...sure you could say well everyone is just going for the rebound and excuse Reuvers...but the ball was headed away from Garza and Reuvers...and Reuvers feeling Garza close just whips his arm right into his face...he knew what he was doing believe me.

Garza did a good job of throwing his weight around and bumping them hard...once they decided to play that way....that's good hard old-school basketball....and he drew fouls too from guys that can't play that kind of basketball without fouling or cheap shots.

Wisconsin is just a team that relies on 3-points shots...they have no inside game. But they scrappy and deserve some respect for that...they will beat you if you're team (except Garza) seems to either come out sleep-walking...or become discombobulated by the style of play. Conner...except for getting foul...contributed nothing out there last night...Toussaint was the only other Hawk that showed any fire until late in the game when Weiskamp finally woke up. Time for Kreiner stay away from 3-point area too.

I can’t say I agree with much of this post.

I don’t think Iowa was sleep walking through it at all. They may have been somewhat discombobulated, but it was more due to their poor shooting than anything else. I will credit WI for taking the Iowa shooters away. They stayed focused on Wieskamp and Fredrick and allowed anyone else to get open looks.


You completely forgot about Fredrick having a solid game through out. He was the second leading scorer and had good a good shooting percentage. Kriener needs to keep shooting when the defense gives him an open three look. Last night he forced one of his threes and that is not his game. It was however right on his spot on the wing. He’s usually money from there.


Lastly, I’ll say there is a difference between scrappy and dirty and Wisconsin is most certainly dirty. They’ll get no respect from me as a team. I can’t remember the last time Iowa took so many uncalled cheap shots to the face/head. I think Wahl will be a marked man when these teams meet up again.

 

[Rudolph]

I have to admit, I wonder how the players maintain their composure at times. There were instances where I wanted to jump through the TV and punch someone in the face. I can't imagine being the one getting hit the whole time. I think they showed remarkable restraint last night.

When you watch the game play it, too. Like sprint, cut, jump, do lateral slides, do some of @Moral 's sweet 360-degree jumps, etc. You'll be more relaxed and able to go through a handshake line with your dog, my mom, whoever else is in your company.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I don't think Reuvers or Trice are dirty players. I am sure that WI coaches would like them to be more "physical" than they are. The officials had to call a T on Luka after the earlier T, which basically decided the game. They could have called a double T, if they could see/hear what caused Luka to jump up so quickly. I didn't think the contact by Reuvers deserved a T or a foul call. Luka also makes a LOT of contact throughout games, but he is always playing hard and the officials are generally letting him play because he has earned their respect.

 

[hawk halen]

No one likes Wisconsin's style of play. Except maybe these guys:

Well, maybe Izzo.....

Please don't lump the beloved Hanson brothers with Wisconsin punks and Izzo.

 

[owenhawk]

Not exactly a game where any Iowa player should be talking smack ... Iowa was very fortunate to get the win ... Wisconsin is a scrappy team ...

But they won. Coming from 12 down in the last 8 minutes. Against a team that has traditionally had their number. Against a team that was also talking smack the whole game and lost. First everyone complains for years that Fran’s team dies t have any heart or mental toughness and when this team finally shows it with some grit, they are told not to talk smack because they were “lucky” to get the win?

 

[owenhawk]

I can’t say I agree with much of this post.

I don’t think Iowa was sleep walking through it at all. They may have been somewhat discombobulated, but it was more due to their poor shooting than anything else. I will credit WI for taking the Iowa shooters away. They stayed focused on Wieskamp and Fredrick and allowed anyone else to get open looks.


You completely forgot about Fredrick having a solid game through out. He was the second leading scorer and had good a good shooting percentage. Kriener needs to keep shooting when the defense gives him an open three look. Last night he forced one of his threes and that is not his game. It was however right on his spot on the wing. He’s usually money from there.


Lastly, I’ll say there is a difference between scrappy and dirty and Wisconsin is most certainly dirty. They’ll get no respect from me as a team. I can’t remember the last time Iowa took so many uncalled cheap shots to the face/head. I think Wahl will be a marked man when these teams meet up again.

Totally agree. I’ve seen people on here and in Twitter talking about a lack of fire or why was it so hard for Iowa last night. Do people really not understand?

Iowa just isn’t going to steamroll through every team playing a perfect game. This is how Wisconsin plays games and the my have had a lot of success playing this way, frustrating other teams, and making it ugly. Iowa is going to have some off-shooting nights and times where they struggle.

 

[MepoDawg#]

I don't think Reuvers or Trice are dirty players. I am sure that WI coaches would like them to be more "physical" than they are. The officials had to call a T on Luka after the earlier T, which basically decided the game. They could have called a double T, if they could see/hear what caused Luka to jump up so quickly. I didn't think the contact by Reuvers deserved a T or a foul call. Luka also makes a LOT of contact throughout games, but he is always playing hard and the officials are generally letting him play because he has earned their respect.

That was a flagrant foul called earlier, not a technical. There’s a difference.

 

[SWIowahawks]

I disagree with the "basketball play" aspect. It was a follow through reaching for the ball that completely entered Garza's cylinder and made forcible contact above the shoulders. The would be the same as the other elbows that have been called flagrant throughout the year.

Are you talking about the high elbow that CJ took or the follow through on the rebound that hit Garza? I don’t think either one were aggregious (sp?) enough for a more serious foul. I use intent in my thinking and my elbows and hands have done some contact that I definitely didn’t mean too.

 

[jberesford]

No one likes Wisconsin's style of play. Except maybe these guys:

Nah not really. The Hanson brother's are more of the enforcer types. Wisconsin's current batch of players are more like whiney cheap shot artists and floppers.

Grayson Allen would be a better comparison.

 

[HAWKS4LIFE]

This team has a bunch of pitbulls and it starts with Connor. I was disappointed in Connor last year, but I love his game this year! JT, CJ, CM, LG and RK are not going to back down from anyone!

 

[IllQChawk]

I read Garza's lips to say "Get the fvck out of my face" as he exited the handshake line. This was on the Big Ten Wrap Up show last night. They showed the clip but made no comments about the lip reading. lol

I've rewatched that hand shake line and I'm not sure where you get that comment from Garza from...Garza is a very intense player for sure but he isn't one to say something like that, and your "read Garza's lips to say" is completely BS. Not saying he wasn't thinking it but there was no visual prove of your assertion.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

There are lots of ways to deal with guys that cheap shot or get too aggressive...you give it right back. It still is a contact sport, and you can do lots of things that still fall within "a basketball play". The smack to Garza's face for example...sure you could say well everyone is just going for the rebound and excuse Reuvers...but the ball was headed away from Garza and Reuvers...and Reuvers feeling Garza close just whips his arm right into his face...he knew what he was doing believe me.

Garza did a good job of throwing his weight around and bumping them hard...once they decided to play that way....that's good hard old-school basketball....and he drew fouls too from guys that can't play that kind of basketball without fouling or cheap shots.

Wisconsin is just a team that relies on 3-points shots...they have no inside game. But they scrappy and deserve some respect for that...they will beat you if you're team (except Garza) seems to either come out sleep-walking...or become discombobulated by the style of play. Conner...except for getting foul...contributed nothing out there last night...Toussaint was the only other Hawk that showed any fire until late in the game when Weiskamp finally woke up. Time for Kreiner stay away from 3-point area too.

Why do you want the player with the 2nd highest 3 point % on the team staying away from the 3 point area?

 

[mtown66]

Borowski originally called a double tech. He pointed to someone in the Wisconsin huddle and Garza. I can’t believe Borowski allowed Davison to semi aggressively grab Bo’s arm in protest.

When they ran the review I think they just reviewed the contact to luka’s face and deemed in a basketball play. (Which I agree with). They must have assumed that’s what Luka reacted to and not reviewed the tape further to see that punk Pitzel talk shit when Luka was on the ground.

Wisconsin has always had a player or two that was annoying. But man, they are surely multiplying.

I did notice that number 12? asked Connor if he wasn’t ok after he fouled him fairly hard.

I agree it was a basketball play, but it was still a foul that should have been called and that would have negated Ford's garbage basket. Just because the arm to the face was unintentional, doesn't mean that it wasn't a foul. I still can't understand how a ref could have missed that one.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

There are lots of ways to deal with guys that cheap shot or get too aggressive...you give it right back. It still is a contact sport, and you can do lots of things that still fall within "a basketball play". The smack to Garza's face for example...sure you could say well everyone is just going for the rebound and excuse Reuvers...but the ball was headed away from Garza and Reuvers...and Reuvers feeling Garza close just whips his arm right into his face...he knew what he was doing believe me.

Yep 100%.

I don’t buy that was incidental for a nano-second.

 

[Ronman]

So Garza is lying on the floor after taking about his eighth shot to the face of the night, Pritzl talks some smack to him and Luka is to do what? "Can I have another, sir?" Garza has shown remarkable restraint all year. I think getting a T for talking back is total BS.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Are you talking about the high elbow that CJ took or the follow through on the rebound that hit Garza? I don’t think either one were aggregious (sp?) enough for a more serious foul. I use intent in my thinking and my elbows and hands have done some contact that I definitely didn’t mean too.

The follow through on the rebound. The elbow to CJF wasn't clearly across CJ's cylinder like the arm through Garza's face.

 

[SWIowahawks]

The follow through on the rebound. The elbow to CJF wasn't clearly across CJ's cylinder like the arm through Garza's face.

I agree it was a basketball play, but it was still a foul that should have been called and that would have negated Ford's garbage basket. Just because the arm to the face was unintentional, doesn't mean that it wasn't a foul. I still can't understand how a ref could have missed that one.

I agree with you guys. I was talking about the difference between it being a regular foul and not a flagarant or excessive foul after it being reviewed. I’m not sure if they can review a play and call a foul from replay. They can only decide if it’s excessive or not. To which, I would agree with them not making a flagarant foul on the Badger.

 

[iahawks10]

The follow through on the rebound. The elbow to CJF wasn't clearly across CJ's cylinder like the arm through Garza's face.

I thought they were both plays that college basketball was trying to clean up with the whole concussion issue. I guess, just like the targeting rule in football, they’ve swung the pendulum back a little. I’m surprised neither were ruled flagrant, along with the elbow Wahl connected with Garza’s chin.

 

[cidhawkeye]

CJ waving at #35 after he made his last free throw was pretty funny. I also thought the T was on Wisconsin as I thought Pretzle had kicked him or something like that as he walked by

 

[Rustys Dad]

Would you rather they just be "aw shucks" sorry to beat you?

Did I say that anywhere in my post?

 

[Rustys Dad]

But they won. Coming from 12 down in the last 8 minutes. Against a team that has traditionally had their number. Against a team that was also talking smack the whole game and lost. First everyone complains for years that Fran’s team dies t have any heart or mental toughness and when this team finally shows it with some grit, they are told not to talk smack because they were “lucky” to get the win?

Yeah, I watched the game. And you're digging too deep into my comment.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Did I say that anywhere in my post?

I don't believe I ever said you did. I just don't agree with your comment.

 

[DodgerHawki]

So Garza is lying on the floor after taking about his eighth shot to the face of the night, Pritzl talks some smack to him and Luka is to do what? "Can I have another, sir?" Garza has shown remarkable restraint all year. I think getting a T for talking back is total BS.

The reading of body language and over-analysis of every single action is a bit much. Not calling anyone out, just in general. It's a competitive game, stuff gets said on both sides. Garza talks a lot and initiates contact a lot. I'm sure the opponent players get tired of dealing with him. Garza got T'ed up in another game this year, so it's not as if he's above saying stuff. As a fan, I wouldn't have him act any different, part of what makes him good is his competitiveness.

There was running smack all game between Iowa and Wisconsin. Watch the early game battles between Conor defending Wahl in the post. Wahl misses/gets his shot blocked and Conor is letting him know about it. If you don't think this Iowa team is annoying for the opponent, watch closer.

The only guy who crossed the line was Davison and his nonsense nut-punch/hook on Conor. Refs pretty much have to call T's if guys say certain things to the opponent. Whatever it was that Garza said to Pritzl probably warranted the T. No big deal.

 

[Slim45]

Thats garza’s first T of the year and only 2nd of his career(last yr against penn st). I have a feeling if the game was within a possession they wouldn’t have T’d garza up in that situation. I believe the refs knew Wisconsin wasn’t going to win at that point and T’d garza up to make sure they kept it under control as it was getting pretty chippy. Just my thought. Maybe the ending of the ku-ksu game last week had an influence?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

That was a flagrant foul called earlier, not a technical. There’s a difference.

You are correct, but it doesn't change that the zebras almost had to call a technical on Luka for standing up and yelling at the Badgers. Two totally different things, but the officials needed to keep the game under control.

 

[MepoDawg#]

The reading of body language and over-analysis of every single action is a bit much. Not calling anyone out, just in general. It's a competitive game, stuff gets said on both sides. Garza talks a lot and initiates contact a lot. I'm sure the opponent players get tired of dealing with him. Garza got T'ed up in another game this year, so it's not as if he's above saying stuff. As a fan, I wouldn't have him act any different, part of what makes him good is his competitiveness.

There was running smack all game between Iowa and Wisconsin. Watch the early game battles between Conor defending Wahl in the post. Wahl misses/gets his shot blocked and Conor is letting him know about it. If you don't think this Iowa team is annoying for the opponent, watch closer.

The only guy who crossed the line was Davison and his nonsense nut-punch/hook on Conor. Refs pretty much have to call T's if guys say certain things to the opponent. Whatever it was that Garza said to Pritzl probably warranted the T. No big deal.

Wahl crossed the line landing an elbow to Garza’s chin waiting for the post entry pass. Also, Davidson for attempting to take JW’s legs out in the three point shot.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Connor knows a lot of those guys very well. In fact Patrick played AAU with Tyler Wahl last year.

 

[iahawks10]

You are correct, but it doesn't change that the zebras almost had to call a technical on Luka for standing up and yelling at the Badgers. Two totally different things, but the officials needed to keep the game under control.

Almost? They did call a technical on Garza for standing up and yelling. That evidently is what crosses a line. The three elbows/forearm to the face are okay as long as it’s disguised as basketball. Undercutting a shooter by taking their legs out is also fine. Just don’t stand up for yourself by yelling. We have to maintain some kind of order in this contest.

Wahl crossed the line landing an elbow to Garza’s chin waiting for the post entry pass. Also, Davidson for attempting to take JW’s legs out in the three point shot.

I hope someone sends the video of this game to the B1G office time stamping the dirty plays. It may not do anything now, but down the road it may save a player from being injured. Also, Wahl is about as dirty as they come. I can think of three dirty and dangerous plays from him alone.

 

[flaiawis]

This is exactly why I love this team. They are full of tough minded kids. Can you imagine some of our past players doing anything but meekly shaking hands after losing on our home court to a team that cheap shotted us all night?

Ditto.
I learned at an early age that if you have one individual on your team that has an edge to them, it makes your team better. When I say edge I mean tough, will not back down, physical, experienced and not afraid to engage in a little smack talk. He/she doesn't even have to be one of your best players. If you have more than one, well that is gold. Conner is the epitome of that guy. Garza, Fredrick, Cordel and Joe W. are that guy in different ways. Joe W will not back down but does it with that cold face stare.
If anything, this team exudes the same attitude as their head coach and will not be intimidated by any team. That is enjoyable to watch for me.

 

[HawkLogic]

Absolutely not...

If Kriener could avoid taking the ones he misses, then that would be ideal.

 

[Slim45]

If Kriener could avoid taking the ones he misses, then that would be ideal.

Thats some impressive...HawkLogic...

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

If Kriener could avoid taking the ones he misses, then that would be ideal.

If the Hawkeye team could avoid taking the ones they miss, then that would be ideal.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Almost? They did call a technical on Garza for standing up and yelling. That evidently is what crosses a line. The three elbows/forearm to the face are okay as long as it’s disguised as basketball. Undercutting a shooter by taking their legs out is also fine. Just don’t stand up for yourself by yelling. We have to maintain some kind of order in this contest.

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I didn't say that only Luka should have gotten a technical (or that I thought he should have gotten a T), only that the zebras are going to call it almost every time if you start yelling at the opposing bench, especially after assessing a flagrant against Wisky. It should have been a double technical, but I didn't see who did what, besides the whack to Luka's face that seemed mostly incidental to me. Luka plays hard and takes a lot of hits, not that he doesn't give some too. Wisky players seem to be trained to be thugs, although Davison takes it to another level.