Classless Kentucky

[downtown hawk redux]

Originally posted by swagsurfer02:

Originally posted by EZ2BJZ:

There is a greater context here. While I disagree whole-heartedly with the flippant use of the n-bomb by anyone regardless of race, the n-word when commonly used by black people is not racially motivated. It's like saying "dude" essentially from a "subcultural perspective" I guess you could say. It's their way of turning something that historically has been very negative, inflammatory, and hateful to unfairly encapsulate an entire race of people and using it for their own purposes. Perhaps the original purpose for doing so was to in some way shape or form take power and control over something that has been humiliating and degrading to black people for so long. However, nowadays it has unfortunately become so engrained in hip-hop and urban culture that it's become so common and colloquial in its usage.

With that said, what Harrison said was very inappropriate and unacceptable. And for the record, as previously mentioned, I disagree with anyone using the n-bomb and have many black friends who think it's ignorant as well. However, to put what Harrison said on the same playing field with for example what the kids at OU did or what the white receiver for the Philadelphia Eagles did is simply inaccurate and lacks understanding of history and culture.

This is pretty much where I'm at. Some other things I agree with in this thread...

1. This is how Harrison and lots of young blacks talk (not saying it's right, and I'm guilty) and yup they will even call white's ni@@as

2. I don't care about shaking hands, especially in these games. The winning team celebrates on the court with each other first before shaking hands. I wouldn't want to see it either.

3. I don't think the word thug is appropriate here. Infact I think the word thug has more racial connotation than Harrison calling Kaminsky a ni@@a


Harrison isn't a thug, Richard Sherman isn't a thug, Terrell Owens isn't a thug. You want to see a thug.... That kid in Ferguson, Missouri that was a thug.

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I completely agree. We all know what the context is in terms of basketball. And it's used all too often here.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Originally posted by Arbitr8:

Originally posted by cohawk:

Originally posted by SotaHawk87:
Actually Poch it was Harrison who called Kaminsky a n****** in the post game press conference.. Wouldn't classify that as a thug but still, what the heck is that??

The kid is 20 years old and they make big mistakes. He just experienced one of the most crushing defeats in his life. I hate Kentucky but I am not going to label a kid for one mistake especially when he immediately realized that he was out of line and apologized. Here are his tweets where he admits he was in the wrong. At least he owned up to being out of line. These days you very rarely see young players take responsibility and own up to their mistakes. I want to be clear I hate Kentucky but realize he's just a 20 year old that experienced the biggest loss of his life.








First i want to apologize for my poor choice of words used in jest towards a player I respect and know.


- Andrew Harrison (@DrewRoc5) April 5, 2015

When I realized how this could be perceived I immediately called big frank to apologize and let him know I didn't mean any disrespect


- Andrew Harrison (@DrewRoc5) April 5, 2015

We had a good conversation and I wished him good luck in the championship game Monday.


- Andrew Harrison (@DrewRoc5) April 5, 2015
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It wasn't said in "jest" and the only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught.





[/QUOTE]20 years old - not a kid. He said he was sorry for the "words" he used, so what other "words" could you use in place of "Fhat Tuck N....."??


P.S. - "Thug" noun

1.

a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.

2.

(sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.

This post was edited on 4/6 12:13 PM by Vroom_C14

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Vroom...

I agree with you. My position is that it shouldn't be used ever by anyone, and stated my opinion as such. What I was simply trying to point out that in the context of what Harrison said, albeit wrong in my opinion, was not on the same level of other examples offered for being ostensibly "racist."

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Its just a word. Maybe rude and impolite but still just a word. The country would be a lot better off with a little thicker skin and a higher threshold for personal outrage. For example "thug" is not some racist dog whistle code just the English language word that describes a vandal, hooligan, gangster or some other violent of threatening lifestyle. A good way not to be thought of as a thug would be to refrain from thuggish conduct....like dropping an " F bomb and an "N bomb" all in one sentence and expressed in an exaggerated black accent and directed at an opponent that just kicked your ass on the court and several minutes after refusing to shake hands after the game. One might just call that the behavior of a ruffian, right?

Having said that, context is everything isn't it. Dropping the N bomb really depends on how its used. Abstractly its rude but hardly outrageous to any one individual to whom it is not addressed.

On the other hand, address a specific black person with the same word you're probably going to get punched or slapped and I'm quite OK with that result also. Some people are just too stupid to learn any other way that there are, indeed "fighting words". Sometimes life's most important lessons are learned by landing on one's own ass wondering who hit John. Yes, I've been on both ends of that transaction.

That's how you produce a much more free and yet more polite society. Don't need the cops or the sensitivity trainers just parents that teach their kids some manners and less structured equanimity with respect to how people treat each other.

E.g. White kid calls black kid you know what. White kids parents ask what to do when the kid fessed up and had called same kid the same thing back on the old AOL chat. Mom wants the kid to go into sensitivity counseling and a bunch of other touchy feely shit. Dad says no and makes the kid go to black kid's house, apologize to the entire family and then mow their yard all summer. That immediate and effective personal responsibility for their words teaches young people to be polite.

Polite young people grow up into polite adults.



This post was edited on 4/6 7:24 PM by The Sleeping Dog