Clem Haskins wants U of MN to acknowledge him & his team for their 1997 Final Four run

[Franisdaman]

Despite the academic fraud that was involved and despite the fact that Minnesota had to vacate everything associated with their 1996-1997 season as a result, former Minny Coach Clem Haskins said he wants the University of Minnesota to acknowledge him and his team for their 1997 Final Four run.

"I hurt for my players," he said. "They deserve that.''

Regarding himself, Haskins said that "the university president and the athletic director, they need to reach out and welcome me back."

As you will read, nobody will confirm for sure where the 1997 B1G Championship trophy is being hidden away. All evidence of that Final Four run is gone. Minnesota officially has ZERO Final Four appearances.

Former players want to be recognized by the university. Bobby Jackson was quoted in this story, saying "You have to acknowledge us."

SIX SEASONS (1993-94 thru 1998-99) were removed from the record books after the academic fraud investigation.

Link to story: http://www.startribune.com/clem-has...ence-20-years-after-final-four-run/417253043/

 

[~Keyser Soze~]

Academic fraud at Minnesota was about 1/100th of what went down at UNC. Too bad Clem Haskins is Clem Haskins and not Roy Williams or Dean Smith, the media and NCAA would never give him the same pass.

 

[PRPcoach]

Is this the same Keyser Soze that posts frequently on Cats Illustrated?
What brings you to the Iowa boards?
My wife is from Central City IA - now pretty much cheer for both UK and Iowa

 

[hawk-i bob]

Academic fraud at Minnesota was about 1/100th of what went down at UNC. Too bad Clem Haskins is Clem Haskins and not Roy Williams or Dean Smith, the media and NCAA would never give him the same pass.

Clem was a crook...1/100th hardly..

Minnesota's major scandal was due to academic fraud.

The day before the 1999 NCAA tournament began, the manager of the academic counseling office at the University of Minnesota testified that she had written over 400 pieces of coursework for players on the basketball team over a course of five years.

It was later revealed that head coach Clem Haskins (pictured) had paid the manager $3,000 to do the work. It was also later revealed that Haskins had told some of his players to lie to the NCAA as well.

The Gophers suspended four players for the 1999 tournament (they lost in the first round). After the season, Haskins was fired and given a seven-year "show-cause" order. The Gophers were placed on probation for four years.

Eventually they were stripped of all of their postseason accomplishments for six years and were forced to vacate all of their games from the 1993-94 to 1998-99 seasons.


course...Kentucky had a few issues as well...

1. 
   in 1989, head coach Eddie Sutton was implicated in another scandal regarding the paying of recruits. His assistant coach had sent $1,000 to the father of freshman Chris Mills and Kentucky was already under probation.
   
   The NCAA considered another "death penalty" ruling, but instead Eddie Sutton and athletic director Cliff Sutton were forced to resign and the Wildcats got three years of probation and a two-year ban on postseason play.
   

 

[hawk-i bob]

Despite the academic fraud that was involved and despite the fact that Minnesota had to vacate everything associated with their 1996-1997 season as a result, former Minny Coach Clem Haskins said he wants the University of Minnesota to acknowledge him and his team for their 1997 Final Four run.

"I hurt for my players," he said. "They deserve that.''

Regarding himself, Haskins said that "the university president and the athletic director, they need to reach out and welcome me back."

As you will read, nobody will confirm for sure where the 1997 B1G Championship trophy is being hidden away. All evidence of that Final Four run is gone. Minnesota officially has ZERO Final Four appearances.

Former players want to be recognized by the university. Bobby Jackson was quoted in this story, saying "You have to acknowledge us."

SIX SEASONS (1993-94 thru 1998-99) were removed from the record books after the academic fraud investigation.

Link to story: http://www.startribune.com/clem-has...ence-20-years-after-final-four-run/417253043/

I HURT FOR MYSELF....thats all you need to know about Clem.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Clem was a crook...1/100th hardly..

Minnesota's major scandal was due to academic fraud.

The day before the 1999 NCAA tournament began, the manager of the academic counseling office at the University of Minnesota testified that she had written over 400 pieces of coursework for players on the basketball team over a course of five years.

It was later revealed that head coach Clem Haskins (pictured) had paid the manager $3,000 to do the work. It was also later revealed that Haskins had told some of his players to lie to the NCAA as well.

The Gophers suspended four players for the 1999 tournament (they lost in the first round). After the season, Haskins was fired and given a seven-year "show-cause" order. The Gophers were placed on probation for four years.

Eventually they were stripped of all of their postseason accomplishments for six years and were forced to vacate all of their games from the 1993-94 to 1998-99 seasons.


course...Kentucky had a few issues as well...

1. 
   in 1989, head coach Eddie Sutton was implicated in another scandal regarding the paying of recruits. His assistant coach had sent $1,000 to the father of freshman Chris Mills and Kentucky was already under probation.
   
   The NCAA considered another "death penalty" ruling, but instead Eddie Sutton and athletic director Cliff Sutton were forced to resign and the Wildcats got three years of probation and a two-year ban on postseason play.

Clem and the Goofer program got what they deserve. Maybe some players and fans were hurt that didn't deserve it, but Clem should have considered that when he was cheating to win. UNC probably deserves a similar punishment.

 

[Mohawkeye]

HA!

 

[ezydde]

Give Woolridge his Big Ten player of the year award.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Too bad clemmy baby, you made your bed now sleep in it and shut your trap. The school better not listen to his drivel. And like ezy said give Woodridge his player of the year, he should have gotten it in the first place.

 

[Clifford C. Clavin]

Give Woolridge his Big Ten player of the year award.

And more importantly, Iowa it's long awaited regular season championship.

 

[JRingo]

When a kid is found out to be a year too old for Little League, everyone feels sorry for the kid and wants him to keep his trophy because "he's only a kid." He was cheating. I'm sure he knew how old he was. If not, he had other issues. The University of Minnesota gained an unfair advantage during that season. Lots of people were cheated... including Andre Woolridge and the University of Iowa. That team already got far more than they earned.

 

[Kurt Warner]

When a kid is found out to be a year too old for Little League, everyone feels sorry for the kid and wants him to keep his trophy because "he's only a kid." He was cheating. I'm sure he knew how old he was. If not, he had other issues. The University of Minnesota gained an unfair advantage during that season. Lots of people were cheated... including Andre Woolridge and the University of Iowa. That team already got far more than they earned.

Oooooook

 

[Franisdaman]

Unfortunately, when a school gets stripped of their championship, they don't give it to the runner up.

Iowa should have been 1997 B1G Champions. It might have saved Tom Davis' job, too.

The final regular season standings:

16-2 Minny
12-6 Iowa
12-6 Purdue
11-7 Illinois
11-7 Wisconsin
9-9 Indiana
9-9 Michigan
9-9 Michigan State
5-13 Ohio State
3-15 Penn State
2-16 Northwestern

 

[Franisdaman]

Give Woolridge his Big Ten player of the year award.

Note that Bobby Jackson was quoted in this story, saying "You have to acknowledge us."

What a bunch of BS.

 

[Franisdaman]

Clem and the Goofer program got what they deserve. Maybe some players and fans were hurt that didn't deserve it, but Clem should have considered that when he was cheating to win. UNC probably deserves a similar punishment.

i hope UNC has to vacate wins going back to 1993, which is when the scandal apparently began!!!!

 

[DanL53]

I'd kind of like to see Minnesota be immoral and decrepit enough to throw Clem and the boys a big parade! Maybe Lil' Richard could get his Daddy to send some hookers, somebody get some blow, and film the whole thing! Make a porno out of it!

I have no problem with the Gophers being proud of who they are. Beats them pretending they are something they are not.

 

[jdv77]

It is interesting how time enables revisionist history. My father in law is a Gophers fan (and despite that, is on most subjects a good and rational human being). When I married into the family in 2001, it was close enough in time to that scandal that he admitted Minnesota was in the wrong and that Haskins had to be terminated. 16 years later, I think that the scope of the scandal has been lost, and the apparent ability of North Carolina to get off unscathed for even greater academic impropriety (his perception) has him thinking that the punishment was disproportionate.

The NCAA got this one right. Academic fraud should be treated harshly, if the NCAA is serious about the word "student" in the phrase "student-athlete". There should be no celebrating of the 1997 Gophers team.

 

[TheRealHerky]

Waiting for Clem to play the race card in 5..4...3...2..1..

 

[Ladell-hawk]

I HURT FOR MYSELF....thats all you need to know about Clem.

It is a shame what went on up there. Despite that, I can't help but to like Clem Haskins. At the time of the tragic death of Chris Street, Clem Haskins came to Indianola for the wake and funeral. He was one of 2 Big Ten Head Coaches that were there for the funeral, ( I believe). His grief was evident and he wanted to be there to show his respect for Chris Street and support his family. That doesn't excuse the academic fraud , but the guy obviously cared .

 

[CP84]

Give Woolridge his Big Ten player of the year award.

Nah, Jackson was a far more complete player. It was further proven at the next level when he became a key player on a championship contender.

 

[hawk-i bob]

It is a shame what went on up there. Despite that, I can't help but to like Clem Haskins. At the time of the tragic death of Chris Street, Clem Haskins came to Indianola for the wake and funeral. He was one of 2 Big Ten Head Coaches that were there for the funeral, ( I believe). His grief was evident and he wanted to be there to show his respect for Chris Street and support his family. That doesn't excuse the academic fraud , but the guy obviously cared .

Clem didnt do his players any favors by helping them cheat with their school work. He hurt them. He didnt allow them to be students athletes. I'd love to know how many left Minnesota with a degree or where they are at now?

OH he probably was a great guy and all...but if he really cared..he would have encouraged his players to treat academics correctly & encourage them to get a degree.
I have this feeling Clem didnt really bring that part of being a student athlete up very often...now he wants Minnesota to celebrate the athletic accomplishments of his team?....Typical.

 

[Kurt Warner]

It is a shame what went on up there. Despite that, I can't help but to like Clem Haskins. At the time of the tragic death of Chris Street, Clem Haskins came to Indianola for the wake and funeral. He was one of 2 Big Ten Head Coaches that were there for the funeral, ( I believe). His grief was evident and he wanted to be there to show his respect for Chris Street and support his family. That doesn't excuse the academic fraud , but the guy obviously cared .

It was great of him to do this for sure, it's too bad that sort of character didn't carry over into his coaching.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Give Woolridge his Big Ten player of the year award.

And give Iowa the regular season championship.

Thanks, Minnesota!

 

[kceasthawk]

Nah, Jackson was a far more complete player. It was further proven at the next level when he became a key player on a championship contender.

Did Dre get that same opportunity? Sometimes thats all one needs. Woolridge was not a poor defender and he did lead the league in scoring and assists. Its not like he wasn't a well rounded player.

 

[Douglas C. Neidermeyer]

When a kid is found out to be a year too old for Little League, everyone feels sorry for the kid and wants him to keep his trophy because "he's only a kid." He was cheating. I'm sure he knew how old he was. If not, he had other issues. The University of Minnesota gained an unfair advantage during that season. Lots of people were cheated... including Andre Woolridge and the University of Iowa. That team already got far more than they earned.

 

[PogeyKahn]

Well, I am sure someone is dying to watch this 42 minute video of Clem's Final Four Team..

If the NCAA does not throw the book at North Carolina, I never want to hear about the Haskins cheating again.

 

[DanL53]

Well, I am sure someone is dying to watch this 42 minute video of Clem's Final Four Team..

If the NCAA does not throw the book at North Carolina, I never want to hear about the Haskins cheating again.

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That's right! How come UNC can cheat and Minn. can't!!! About time for Minn. to book another International Tour through the Canary Islands Travel Agency and Basketball Academy, isn't it? Maybe a year away. Kanate and Diedhiou (sp?) might not have turned into much, but why not try again considering it only costs paying extra for the tour and players come with it!

 

[Franisdaman]

Well, I am sure someone is dying to watch this 42 minute video of Clem's Final Four Team..

If the NCAA does not throw the book at North Carolina, I never want to hear about the Haskins cheating again.

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Its been 20 years and you are still hearing about Haskins' cheating.

It will never go away.

Scandal is Minnesota's middle name.

 

[ezydde]

Nah, Jackson was a far more complete player. It was further proven at the next level when he became a key player on a championship contender.

Not sure if you are serious or not but what happens in the NBA doesn't matter for college awards. Woolridge had 20.2 ppg, 6.0 ast and a .458 fg%. Jackson had 15.3, 4.0, and .441, while cheating his way through classes. POY is based on only 1996-97 stats and nothing more.

 

[2bagger22]

Nice rebuttal courtesy of Chip Scoggins of the Star Tribune -- 20 more years will not erase the stain that Clem Haskins oversaw.

Clem Haskins isn’t a martyr. He’s not entitled to a hero’s return.

A 20-year retrospective on a Final Four trip that never officially happened rekindled a debate over whether the University of Minnesota should honor Haskins’ 1997 men’s basketball team that brought so much joy and later shame.


The divide in public opinion is not surprising. Haskins’ comments were.

The coach who bears ultimate responsibility for one of the most painful episodes in Gophers athletic history sounded tone-deaf in practically begging for red-carpet treatment.

“Befriending me or making me feel welcomed back is very important, particularly to my players,” Haskins told the Star Tribune for that story. “The president and the athletic director, they need to reach out and welcome me back.”

Why is the university being cast as the bad guy in this debate?

Nobody banned Haskins from returning to Dinkytown. But the university isn’t obligated to fete Haskins and his ’97 team with a celebration.

Did Clem or anyone else forget about the devastation created by what the NCAA described as one of the worst academic fraud cases on record at the time? The basketball program turned the university upside down and made it a national punch line.

The scandal cost several people their jobs, including administrators who might not have had any clue about the academic shenanigans but had their careers altered because of it.

The university investigation cost $2.5 million. The FBI and federal government got involved. The NCAA placed crippling sanctions on the program.

This wasn’t a case of jaywalking.

To rehang a banner at Williams Arena in joyous celebration would brush aside everything that happened after that exhilarating postseason.

At least star guard Bobby Jackson, unlike Haskins, took ownership of his mistakes.

“If we could go back and do it again everybody would do it totally different,” Jackson said. “And you try to teach your kids how not to make the same mistakes you made as a young man.”

Time provides emotional distance, but it doesn’t wipe the slate clean. Just because the academic scandal is no longer a raging fire doesn’t mean the university should gloss over the stain. The basketball program — and entire athletic department — experienced fundamental change afterward and felt repercussions for at least a decade and probably longer.

Some fans argue that those transgressions pale in comparison to misdeeds at other schools and that NCAA enforcement is inconsistent.

Indeed, Baylor’s handling of sexual assault cases is far more deplorable and unforgiving. And yes, the ongoing academic scandal involving North Carolina athletes makes the Gophers’ paper-writing scheme seem minor in scope.

The NCAA is hypocritical, self-serving and not trustworthy. But that’s not the point. The Gophers were deemed to have engaged in systematic academic fraud involving many players that resulted in six seasons being wiped from the record book.

Nothing prohibits people from romanticizing the way the ’97 team played on the court while also recognizing that the damage inflicted brought harsh consequences.

Joel Maturi became athletic director two years after the crisis. He recalled a story this week that demonstrated the ripple effect.

A woman athlete visited Maturi’s office one day early in his tenure. She shared with him a comment made by one of her professors after she turned in a paper.

“Is this yours or did somebody write it for you?” the professor asked.

“That wasn’t fair to this young woman,” Maturi said. “But it’s the reaction to what had happened two years prior to that. The athletes and the coaches felt it. People in the department felt it. Boosters felt it. All I said is, ‘We’re going to do the right thing and time will heal the wounds.’ ”

Maturi said he’s sympathetic to both sides of the debate, calling it a “tough situation.”

“There certainly would be reasons that people could rationalize on both sides of that equation,” he said.

Fans don’t need a banner or reunion to remind them of the excitement they felt watching that Final Four run. Memories are powerful. But that works both ways. Nobody should expect the university to ignore the hardship that followed joy.

 

[~Keyser Soze~]

Clem was a crook...1/100th hardly..

Minnesota's major scandal was due to academic fraud.

The day before the 1999 NCAA tournament began, the manager of the academic counseling office at the University of Minnesota testified that she had written over 400 pieces of coursework for players on the basketball team over a course of five years.

It was later revealed that head coach Clem Haskins (pictured) had paid the manager $3,000 to do the work. It was also later revealed that Haskins had told some of his players to lie to the NCAA as well.

The Gophers suspended four players for the 1999 tournament (they lost in the first round). After the season, Haskins was fired and given a seven-year "show-cause" order. The Gophers were placed on probation for four years.

Eventually they were stripped of all of their postseason accomplishments for six years and were forced to vacate all of their games from the 1993-94 to 1998-99 seasons.


course...Kentucky had a few issues as well...

1. 
   in 1989, head coach Eddie Sutton was implicated in another scandal regarding the paying of recruits. His assistant coach had sent $1,000 to the father of freshman Chris Mills and Kentucky was already under probation.
   
   The NCAA considered another "death penalty" ruling, but instead Eddie Sutton and athletic director Cliff Sutton were forced to resign and the Wildcats got three years of probation and a two-year ban on postseason play.

Yeah, Toronto Raptors head coach Dwayne Casey then Kentucky assistant was accused of sending a $1,000 to Chris Mills when his Emory package allegedly busted open mid delivery. Casey later sued Emory and won the lawsuit. I dont know if he did it or not but I do know Kentucky was punished harder than anyone for violations that don't compare to 20+ years of institutionalized academic fraud at UNC to keep players eligible which has yet to be punished. Clem Haskins was also punished and exiled from basketball. That fact that you think what he did is worse than what went down at UNC speaks volumes of the media coverage and pass that UNC has received for cheating worse than anyone ever.

 

[Franisdaman]

Not sure if you are serious or not but what happens in the NBA doesn't matter for college awards. Woolridge had 20.2 ppg, 6.0 ast and a .458 fg%. Jackson had 15.3, 4.0, and .441, while cheating his way through classes. POY is based on only 1996-97 stats and nothing more.

Lets face it. Minny and Bobby Jackson were cheating their way to the 1997 B1G championship and POY. If the fraud had been detected during the season, there is no question Iowa would be 1997 B1G Champions and Woolridge Player of the Year. Since it took 2 years for it all to come out, Minny and Jackson had to vacate their trophies and Iowa and Woolrridge get nothing. Not right. Not right at all.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Yeah, Toronto Raptors head coach Dwayne Casey then Kentucky assistant was accused of sending a $1,000 to Chris Mills when his Emory package allegedly busted open mid delivery. Casey later sued Emory and won the lawsuit. I dont know if he did it or not but I do know Kentucky was punished harder than anyone for violations that don't compare to 20+ years of institutionalized academic fraud at UNC to keep players eligible which has yet to be punished. Clem Haskins was also punished and exiled from basketball. That fact that you think what he did is worse than what went down at UNC speaks volumes of the media coverage and pass that UNC has received for cheating worse than anyone ever.

cheaters....all major violations ...Cheater's Grade 1 , 2 & 3...but not 1/100th...further i didnt say Haskins did worse...find it. The fact is you got beat by a cheater...how does it feel?... shit were use to it.

I will agree NorthCarolina will more than likely escape...Williams should be tossed out..but won't be. At least we have the memory of beating his ass in his own house a year ago...by a bunch of student (athletes)...3 of whom were All-B1G Academic & one an All-American Academic.

 

[DanL53]

I still think it is anything but coincidence that the biggest Kentucky apologist on the internet. Sometimes I think there must be more than one of him based on how often I spot his posts on various sites. The great defender of Kentucky Basketball Honor, if there is such a thing. Goes by the name "Keyser Soze" one of the greatest movie villains of all time. A character stooped in legend and myth in a story about scoundrels.

Carries about as much trust with it as a known Mob Lawyer would carry, imo.

 

[~Keyser Soze~]

I still think it is anything but coincidence that the biggest Kentucky apologist on the internet. Sometimes I think there must be more than one of him based on how often I spot his posts on various sites. The great defender of Kentucky Basketball Honor, if there is such a thing. Goes by the name "Keyser Soze" one of the greatest movie villains of all time. A character stooped in legend and myth in a story about scoundrels.

Carries about as much trust with it as a known Mob Lawyer would carry, imo.

Facts apparently hurt your feelings.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Facts apparently hurt your feelings.

facts? what about u belly aching about getting beat by a cheater? we got screwed by Clem for 6 years.. you're not going to get sympathy on an Iowa Rivals BB Forum...who are you Eric Manuel by chance?

You've been on here multiple times defending your boy John..now you want us to say 'ole Rollie is a bigger cheater than Clem...get me a break.

I'll bet you been to NCarolina rivals.

 

[DanL53]

Facts apparently hurt your feelings.

Now you are not even trying. Are you sure you aren't about one of a hundred or so persons in a foreign country acting as a unit to provide answers? Like IT techs? I mean, your response was so fast it blew my mind, though the content was very poor.

Be honest. Does Kentucky employ you and many like you to be the "Keyser Soze" character in their attempt to alleviate valid discussion about the obvious circumstantial evidences of dealings with pseudo agents and other questionable actions?

How much does the gig pay?

 

[~Keyser Soze~]

Now you are not even trying. Are you sure you aren't about one of a hundred or so persons in a foreign country acting as a unit to provide answers? Like IT techs? I mean, your response was so fast it blew my mind, though the content was very poor.

Be honest. Does Kentucky employ you and many like you to be the "Keyser Soze" character in their attempt to alleviate valid discussion about the obvious circumstantial evidences of dealings with pseudo agents and other questionable actions?

How much does the gig pay?

So Im not just a Kentucky fan I'm either a Russian hacker or someone paid by UK? Well whatever I am, I stand by my post in this thread that what UNC did is infinitely worse than Clem Haskins.

 

[DanL53]

So Im not just a Kentucky fan I'm either a Russian hacker or someone paid by UK? Well whatever I am, I stand by my post in this thread that what UNC did is infinitely worse than Clem Haskins.

Please note the witness did not answer the question. And, he turned my question into a statement.

I ask you, members of the jury, to remember this conversation as it goes to the credibility of the weasel...I mean, witness.

 

[hawk-i bob]

So Im not just a Kentucky fan I'm either a Russian hacker or someone paid by UK? Well whatever I am, I stand by my post in this thread that what UNC did is infinitely worse than Clem Haskins.

which U have posted on an Iowa Rivals BB forum about one of the biggest cheaters in B1G BB history...who now wants to be recognized (damn that is so funny)...by the school he was a cheater at...cheated his way to a Final 4.

The thread was about Clem Haskins...not about Kentucky not about Tarbaby...so here lets help you....... NORTH CAROLINA cheated worse that cheater Clem Haskins....Damn those cheaters...

Feel better?