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CNN guests clash after Trump's victory in heated debate over 'transphobia'

Correct, and that's to make sure women get equal funding for sports. That's it.

No, that is NOT it.

 
What's the side here? I'm not arguing for or against trans-athletes here - I said before that I haven't reached a conclusion in my own mind. I'm just arguing that this should not be a legislative issue.
It’s a common sense issue, that when gets out to a vote in state legislatures, only liberals vote against, painting them into the corner of allowing bio boys to compete with bio girls. It’s going to be, like I’ve said for the last year, a hill Dems will
 
It’s a common sense issue, that when gets out to a vote in state legislatures, only liberals vote against, painting them into the corner of allowing bio boys to compete with bio girls. It’s going to be, like I’ve said for the last year, a hill Dems will
Well, to be fair, this is something that I'd vote against on the grounds that i don't think it's something we should be voting on. That's not representative of my position on this.
 
Saw this earlier. That dude is an idiot. All offended like he had been called a Nazi or something.

Imagine getting so triggered over another person saying what is demonstrably true, that there are boys playing girls sports.

I have no issue with trans people ftr. Dress how you want, name yourself whatever you want, ask people to call you whatever you want, sleep with whoever you want. I have zero issue with that.

BUT, if you were born a dude, you don't get to take away decades of progress in women's sports by competing against them unfairly. No chance in hell I'd let my daughter compete against some of the guys, now girls, I have seen competing across the US.
More importantly, you do not get to “reimagine” the English language.
 
I find it funny that some people believe that ‘trans’ in sports should be a government issue. Let the leagues/conferences decide the rules, same concept as letting states decide about abortion laws.
Why was title 9 a government issue? Trans girls in sports is a breach of title 9 laws. This is not hard to understand.
 
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Where exactly in that legislation does it refer to trans students?
Back when title 9 was written, people still had common sense about what a woman is. Historically, trans people did not think they actually ARE the opposite sex,they just wanted to present themselves as the opposite sex. they did not think they had the same rights as a woman, they just wanted the right to dress and present themselves how they felt comfortable.

Today we are told that trans people actually ARE the opposite sex and therefore they deserve the same rights as a woman. this idea is not based in science or reality.

The idea that anyone can be a woman if they say they are obviously undermines the protections that title 9 was created for.

The fact is, title 9 was created to prevent sex based discrimination and to ensure women have the same opportunity as men. if men are taking away the opportunities from women, this is a clear violation of title 9 laws.

Biden tried to change the title 9 laws to include protections for gender identity. This has been challenged in court.

Remember that per the wpath, gender identity is fluid and can change at any time. Every sane person should realize that granting protections based on feelings will undermine the protections for women.
 
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Back when title 9 was written, people still had common sense about what a woman is. Historically, trans people did not think they actually ARE the opposite sex,they just wanted to present themselves as the opposite sex. they did not think they had the same rights as a woman, they just wanted the right to dress and present themselves how they felt comfortable.

Today we are told that trans people actually ARE the opposite sex and therefore they deserve the same rights as a woman. this idea is not based in science or reality.

The idea that anyone can be a woman if they say they are obviously undermines the protections that title 9 was created for.

The fact is, title 9 was created to prevent sex based discrimination and to ensure women have the same opportunity as men. if men are taking away the opportunities from women, this is a clear violation of title 9 laws.

Biden tried to change the title 9 laws to include protections for gender identity. This has been challenged in court.

Remember that per the wpath, gender identity is fluid and can change at any time. Every sane person should realize that granting protections based on feelings will undermine the protections for women.
I understand the background of Title IX, my wife worked in a division 1 athletic department. I’m still of the belief that ‘trans’ athlete participation should be left up the conferences and leagues and not decided by the government. This is such a minor issue in the big picture of this country, so many other things to worry about.
 
I understand the background of Title IX, my wife worked in a division 1 athletic department. I’m still of the belief that ‘trans’ athlete participation should be left up the conferences and leagues and not decided by the government. This is such a minor issue in the big picture of this country, so many other things to worry about.
When does this move from a minor issue to an issue that needs to be addressed in your opinion? 20 men in women's sports? 50? 100? Man winning a woman's sporting event?

Imo, leaving this up to the conferences will end up making the issue an attack on a trans individuals.

Think lia Thomas. He won in swimming and lots of people criticized him for it. Schools were forced to address the trans in sports issue knowing it was due to the success of lia Thomas that got them talking.

I'm sure lia Thomas received a lot of hate for winning. how is this better than having politicians clarifying the title 9 laws before it becomes a bigger issue with more attacks on individual trans athletes.
 
I understand the background of Title IX, my wife worked in a division 1 athletic department. I’m still of the belief that ‘trans’ athlete participation should be left up the conferences and leagues and not decided by the government. This is such a minor issue in the big picture of this country, so many other things to worry about.

You approve of it and your explanation is your cover.
 
How about losing an election for the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives because you obsessed over ensuring men can pummel women in sports and men can wear dresses. Seems to me someone (Dems) hitched their wagon to a dead horse.
And then go even a step further and hire several of them into the worst admin in the history of the USA. Not the most qualified, just the most diverse.
 
LOL, the algorithm did its job. Into the OPs in box, and out onto the internet for amplification.
I find it funny in a sad way that the OP starts these threads, and the usual "I support women/girls", posters come out, right after they voted for the guy who famously creeped his way around backstage at beauty pageants.
I always think of the OP and his amplification efforts, and all the people who get totally energized by trans hysteria.
"This is a typical practice of a totalitarian regime. You take a group, vulnerable people in society, and you turn them into outcasts, and you direct all the disappointment and dissatisfaction about lack of development or lack of success in the war and all of society's hatred and negative feelings against that group".
The quote is from a critic of Putin, who famously has railed against the trans community. Little wonder that the OP amplifies the messaging of despots.
 
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That's the point. Boys are taking away opportunities from girls.
Sure, because you are such a huge supporter of opportunities for women and girls given your posting history. Let's pretend this is true, and it's all about protecting girls. Tell us this is where anti trans activism ends for you? Let's say the is a law passed by Congress, and signed by Donald Trump restricting access to girls sports, is this where it ends for you? Or, will you be honest and admit this is just the gateway for a bigger agenda?
 
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Up to and including your post here, you have the most replies in this thread. You are obsessing over something that doesn't affect you. Do you have mental problems?
You seem very comfortable taking away rights and opportunities from other people. You seem fine with marginalizing and demonizing a very small, relatively powerless group of citizens. Some people aren't you.
 
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LOL, the algorithm did its job. Into the OPs in box, and out onto the internet for amplification.
I find it funny in a sad way that the OP starts these threads, and the usual "I support women/girls", posters come out, right after they voted for the guy who famously creeped his way around backstage at beauty pageants.
I always think of the OP and his amplification efforts, and all the people who get totally energized by trans hysteria.
"This is a typical practice of a totalitarian regime. You take a group, vulnerable people in society, and you turn them into outcasts, and you direct all the disappointment and dissatisfaction about lack of development or lack of success in the wear and all of society's hatred and negative feelings against that group".
The quote is from a critic of Putin, who famously has railed against the trans community. Little wonder that the OP amplifies the messaging of despots.

Blah, blah, blah...

Do you support boys in girls sports?
 
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You seem very comfortable taking away rights and opportunities from other people. You seem fine with marginalizing and demonizing a very small, relatively powerless group of citizens. Some people aren't you.

You seem fine marginalizing girls. And all because your party overlords say so.
 
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Let's put it to a popular voting process. We can put it to a national vote.

I think the left is going to find out that people are sick of their bullshit on this topic. Since the recent elections weren't enough to send that message and all. Anonymous popular vote. I think the result would be north of 90 percent against every single trans issue the left is pushing. Beyond of course adults being able to make decisions for themselves at their own expense if it doesn't impact others negatively. Even that though on this issue may require extensive counseling before taking any sort of action and prohibitions outright for those individuals affected by other mental health issues. The grooming of kids in any form even if they call it affirming or supporting genders will probably result in jail time.

The left has found a losing topic and wants to keep digging.
 
Republicans don’t even try try to understand what a transgender person, is eff you.

I would suggest that you explain it to everyone. I think we all know what a trans person is, but a lot of us may be missing the boat.
 
The dude wigging out in the video over the usage of the word boy is a pretty good example of the lefty sort of attitude that is detrimental to democrat politics.

Obviously the other guy was just using the world to refer to biologically male people.
 
How do you feel about females who have transitioned to male? Can they play sports as males? Do you know any trans citizens? How many sporting events have you been to in which a trans citizen participated?
He is just asking a commonsense question. Dems have become the party of no Commonsense
Bill maher has coined that expression regarding Dems.
 
More importantly, you do not get to “reimagine” the English language.
Exactly. These people arrived on the scene a few years back and declared that worlds like "boy" or "woman" no longer contained reference back to biological sex in their definition and if you don't agree you're a bigot.

Language doesn't work like that, it's just a rolling consensus over time.
 
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I'm asking YOU. Do you support boys in girls sports?
I answered. I support allowing the governing bodies and professionals make the decisions. It seems like it's occurred on a very limited basis and been managed well. I was speaking with some City High moms who are as MAGA as MAGA can be a few weeks ago, and they were speaking glowingly of a trans athlete at City. They commented on how dedicated the kid was to the sport The difference I suppose is they've known this child for years. It's harder to hate when you know someone.
I'm asking YOU. Does it end here for you? Or, are you going to have another front in the trans wars?
 
It's not just about sports but also private/safe spaces like restrooms and locker rooms which lucas doesn't want to touch for obvious reasons. I will give a real life local story about this being a major issue so I don't have to hear about how this doesn't affect me or my family (this happened at my gym).

At lifetime fitness in wildwood, MO a "trans woman" was using the locker room and doing his make up in the middle of the communal mirrors/shared space with no clothes or towel on.. totally naked with his dick hanging out for all the women and girls to see. Keep in mind children use this space, and a grown man thought it appropriate and acceptable to expose his male genitalia to all of them. This guy has since been banned (for violent threats on social media and not exposing himself to minors interestingly enough) but continues to be a general cancer on the community. You can actually look him up on fb and x, his account names are Eris Discordia. He spends the majority of every day screaming into the void about how he needs to be accepted and affirmed or you're Hitler. The most amazing part of this to me is almost nobody even engages with him. Some days he will make 30 or more social media posts and not get a single like. If only his severe male pattern baldness and penis weren't complete tells...
 
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I dont know. How many would it need to be for it to matter?
A lot more than currently you guys are getting hysterical over.
Do you still work at Hy-Vee? There have been two trans employees at my local Hy-Vee the last few years. Should Hy-Vee be able to discriminate against trans workers if you were uncomfortable with a trans citizen in the break room?
 
Why are you afraid to state whether or not YOU support boys in girls sports?
I have made my position clear. That you cannot comprehend it is a you problem.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? Does it end with girls sports?
Do you support trans citizens being denied employment opportunities despite merit or ability? Do you support denial of health care? Are you in favor of bathroom monitors?
 
Because it’s only conservatives that are told what to think Northern!! Democrats have principles, don’t you know?!?!
I have stated my position. Let the governing bodies and professionals handle it. Do you know any trans citizens? What rights and opportunities do you want denied to them? Or, are you 100 percent just about girls sports? Do your principles extend to denial of health care and employment opportunities? The right to marry and share in a family? Is it just the male to female trans citizens that make you feel icky?
 
I have made my position clear. That you cannot comprehend it is a you problem.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? Does it end with girls sports?
Do you support trans citizens being denied employment opportunities despite merit or ability? Do you support denial of health care? Are you in favor of bathroom monitors?

You haven't answered the question.

And you're deflecting by asking other questions.
 
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I support the governing bodies to make the right choices.
How many trans citizens participated sports last year?
What makes a sports governing body the expert on transgenders playing sports? At least politicians are elected and are supposed to represent the people.

What number is an acceptable number of trans girls (boys) playing sports against girls? people keep trying to say its not a big enough problem to be addressed, and yet we keep having these threads. It might be time to re-evaluate your position.
 
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A lot more than currently you guys are getting hysterical over.
Do you still work at Hy-Vee? There have been two trans employees at my local Hy-Vee the last few years. Should Hy-Vee be able to discriminate against trans workers if you were uncomfortable with a trans citizen in the break room?
Of course not. Is anyone advocating for that? Lol don't be stupid.
 
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