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I didn r watch the whole game tto me the turning pts was when pemsl had the turnover and stepped over the baseline on the inbounds. He does that every game I ve watched and hadn't t got called. I can t believe the coaches could not see that. Just boggles the mind know different than not following g your shot too get the rebound. Me tal errors by our coaches.
 
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It wasn't a violation. Even more laughable are the posts on here that say "may not have been a violation but he deserves it called on him." People are idiots, almost as idiotic as Terry Wymer.
So the ref made the rule up? Also, Iowa has been called for it previously this year. Pemsl is the worst offender of it trying to inbound too quickly.
 
What the hell are you people watching. Pemsl did NOT violate any rule on that inbound, and there is indisputable video evidence to prove it. Anyone claiming otherwise also believes 2 and 2 is 10. My gawd, c'mon people. Get a grip. There actually is such a thing as objective reality, but some of you have no clue. That was one of the most bogus calls in the history of basketball. Period.

Of course, it goes along with the whole mess where Illinois, Purdue, MSU, Wisconsin, and others wipe out much of Iowa's offense by their off-the-ball, public muggings of Weiskamp and Fredrick.

Watch Iowa's game Thursday, but don't watch the ball. Watch Weiskamp and Fredrick getting held, pushed, and wrestled the entire 40 minutes with nothing ever being called. Chippy--I guess so. There's only so much of that BS anyone should be expected to take.

And the D-man for Illinois has a better stiff arm than any running back I've seen for years. And, BTW, every time he uses that stiff arm to push a defender away as he dribbles is a foul, by rule. He did it egregiously at least a dozen times yesterday, and I'm still waiting for the first foul to be called. And on several of those stiff arms, he gained room to shoot and scored. That was more than the difference in the game.

I'm freakin' tired of Big Ten basketbrawl. If I'm Fran, I'm watching film of Wisconsin, MSU, Purdue, and Illinois and I'm teaching the Hawkeyes to play that kind of mugging defense from the opening tip on Thursday. What do they have to lose but another game? Ya wanna have a public mugging every time out, then let's have one on both sides.

The new conference commissioner should make his mark on the league by cleaning up basketball next season and stop this "physical" play that is making the game a farce.
 
I thought it was hilarious when they showed the closeup replay with the ball leaving Pemsl's fingertips while his stationary foot was planted out of bounds and his entry foot was still in the air,... Announcers were just dead silent, speechless, nothing to say,... wtf.
 
There’s a reason it “hadn’t t got called”. What Pemsl did was a legal inbound.

I love the fans who give coaching advice from only watching part of the game. OP is a waste of time and bandwidth.
 
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Anyone have the official rule?

Not seeing any illegal infraction on Pemsl’s part.



Art. 6. After a successful goal or goaltending/basket interference violation as listed in Rule 7-3�1�c:
a� The team not credited with the score shall make the throw-in from the end of the court where the goal was made, and the thrower-in may move along the end line and make the throw-in from any point out of bounds on the end line� The thrower-in may also move along the end line when the following occurs:
1� A common foul is committed near the end line before the bonus is in effect;
2� A flagrant 1 or 2 personal by the defensive team is committed near the end line;
3� The ball is intentionally kicked by the defensive team along the end line during the throw-in, or
4� A timeout is granted�
b� In 7-4�6�a�1 through �4, any player of the throw-in team may make a direct throw-in or may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate(s) who is also out of bounds�
Art. 7. After a single technical foul, excluding a contact dead ball technical or a flagrant 2 technical, play shall resume with a throw-in from a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2�
Art. 8. After a single contact dead ball technical or a flagrant 2 technical, the ball is awarded to the offended team for a throw-in at the division line on either side of the playing court�
Art. 9. After any double personal or technical fouls or any simultaneous personal or technical fouls committed when there is team control and neither foul is a flagrant foul, play shall resume with a throw-in from a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2
Art. 10. After any double personal or technical fouls or any simultaneous personal or technical fouls when there is team control and only one of the fouls

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is a flagrant foul, the ball is awarded to the team offended by the flagrant foul for a throw-in from a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2�
Art. 11. After any double personal or technical fouls or any simultaneous personal or technical fouls committed when there is no team control and neither foul is a flagrant foul or contact dead ball technical foul, play shall resume with a throw-in from a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2�
Art. 12. After any double or personal technical fouls or any simultaneous or personal or technical fouls when there is no team control while a try is in flight, and only one of the fouls is a flagrant foul, the ball is awarded to the team offended by the flagrant foul for a throw-in at a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2 unless the flagrant foul is a flagrant 2 technical foul in which case the throw-in shall be at a designated spot at the division line on either side of the playing court�
Art. 13. After any double personal or technical fouls or any simultaneous personal or technical fouls when there is no team control (excluding when a try is in flight) and only one of the fouls is a flagrant foul, the ball is awarded to the team offended by the flagrant personal foul for a throw-in at a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2 unless the flagrant foul is a contact dead ball technical foul or flagrant 2 technical foul, in which case the throw-in shall be at a designated spot at the division line at either side of the playing court�
Art. 14. After a flagrant 1 or 2 personal foul, play shall resume with a throw- in by the offended team from a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2� (See Rule 7-4�6�a�2)
Art. 15. After the administration of the penalty for a personal foul or a technical foul, the penalty for a single flagrant 2 technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul shall be administered� The ball shall be put back into play by the team offended by the flagrant 2 or contact dead ball technical foul at a designated spot at the division line at either side of the playing court�
Art. 16. After the administration of a technical foul, the penalty for a subsequent technical foul shall be administered� Play shall be resumed with a throw-in at a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2�
a� After a single flagrant 2 technical foul or contact dead ball technical foul, play shall resume by awarding the ball to the offended team at a designated spot at the division line on either side of the court�
b� When multiple technical fouls are committed during the same dead ball period, at least one of which is a single contact dead ball technical foul or a single flagrant 2 technical foul, play will resume as if the last committed single contact dead ball technical foul or single flagrant 2 technical foul was the only foul committed�
Art. 17. After a free-throw violation by the shooting team as listed in Rule 8-5, any opponent of the shooting team shall make the throw-in from a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2�
Art. 18. After an inadvertent whistle, play shall be resumed at a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2�

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Section 5. Throw-in—Point of Interruption
Art. 1. Play shall be resumed after any appropriate penalty is administered or for any of the reasons listed in 4-28�1�a through �e by one of the following methods:
a� A throw-in to the team that was in control at a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2�
1� A ball that is not in contact with a player or the playing court retains the same status as when it was last in contact with a player or the playing court� This does not apply to a try in flight�
b� A throw-in to the offended team at the division line at either side of the playing court for a single contact dead ball technical or a single flagrant 2 technical�
c� A free throw or a throw-in using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2 when the stoppage occurred during this activity or when a team is entitled to such with no reset of the shot clock�
d� An alternating-possession throw-in at a designated spot using the procedures in Rule 7-3�2 with a reset of the shot clock when the point of interruption is such that neither team is in control and no goal, infraction, nor end of half/extra period is involved� When there is no team control due to a try in flight and the try is unsuccessful, the ball is awarded to the team entitled to the alternating-possession arrow at a designated spot usng the procedures in Rule 7-3�2� (Exception: Rule 2-11.7.i)
Section 6. Throw-in — Requirements
Art. 1. A throw-in is the method of putting the ball in play from out of bounds� Art. 2. A thrower-in is the player attempting the throw-in�
Art. 3. The throw-in shall start and the throw-in team shall have team control when the ball is at the disposal of a player entitled to the throw-in�
Art. 4. A throw-in and the throw-in count shall begin when the ball is at the disposal of the player entitled to the throw-in�
Art. 5. A throw-in shall end when a passed ball legally touches an inbounds player or when a player, who is located on the playing court, touches and causes the ball to be out of bounds or when the throw-in team commits a throw-in violation�
Art. 6. The thrower-in shall release the ball not more than five seconds after the throw-in count begins� The pass shall go directly into the playing court, except as provided in Rule 7-4�6�b�
Art. 7. The throw-in count shall end when the ball is released by the thrower-in so that the ball goes directly onto the playing court�
Art. 8. The following pertain to a designated spot:
a The designated spot is the location at which a thrower-in is presented
disposal of the ball out of bounds
as in 4-11�1�a through �c�
b� The designated spot shall be 3-feet wide with no depth limitation�
c� The thrower-in must keep one foot on or over the designated spot until
the ball is released� Pivot foot restrictions and the traveling rule are not in effect for a throw-in�

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d� The thrower-in shall not leave the designated spot until he has released the ball and the thrown-in ball has crossed the plane of the sideline or end line�
e� In arenas or gyms where there is insufficient space along the out-of-bounds line for a throw-in, an official shall require the defender guarding the thrower- in to move back a reasonable distance to give the thrower-in an opportunity to make a throw-in�
Art. 9. Until the throw-in ball crosses the plane of the sideline or end line:
a� The thrower-in may not touch the ball until it touches another player
inbounds�
b� No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his person over the inside plane of the boundary line�
c� Teammates shall not line up next to each other within 6 feet of a boundary line and parallel to it when an opponent desires a spot between the positions�
d� Teammates may occupy adjacent positions near a boundary line when the teammates take adjacent positions that are perpendicular to the boundary line�
Art. 10. When the ball is located out of bounds, the thrower-in may pass the ball into the backcourt�
Art. 11. During any throw-in, the throw-in team may cause the ball to go into the backcourt, regardless of where the throw-in spot is located�
Art. 12. After the throw-in ends, an inbounds player in the frontcourt who is not in control of the ball may cause the ball to go into the backcourt�
Art. 13. When the ball is awarded to the wrong team, the error must be rectified before the throw-in ends


http://www.sportswriters.net/usbwa/cpr/19publications/19ncaa_rules.pdf
 
So the ref made the rule up? Also, Iowa has been called for it previously this year. Pemsl is the worst offender of it trying to inbound too quickly.
I actually think he's trying to be cute with how he inbounds

i can guarantee you in the pregame that Underwood told the refs to watch for this because most of the time refs' eyes are ready to go up the court; they are not laser focused on the inbounds pass
 
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It’s a subjective call where the ref thinks he didn’t establish himself out of bounds or left the spot early. In this case, he’s still partially in bounds when he releases the ball. While he wasn’t touching anywhere inbounds you can see what they are saying. Iowa has been called on it this year and so have other teams not just not often. While it’s inconsistently called, it’s easier just to be safe and make sure you’re out of bounds completely.

The thrower-in shall not leave the designated spot until he has released the ball and the thrown-in ball has crossed the plane of the sideline or end line
 
It’s a subjective call where the ref thinks he didn’t establish himself out of bounds or left the spot early. In this case, he’s still partially in bounds when he releases the ball. While he wasn’t touching anywhere inbounds you can see what they are saying. Iowa has been called on it this year and so have other teams not just not often. While it’s inconsistently called, it’s easier just to be safe and make sure you’re out of bounds completely.

The thrower-in shall not leave the designated spot until he has released the ball and the thrown-in ball has crossed the plane of the sideline or end line
Can you cite the bolded part? That sounds like what it should say for a set inbound rather than after a made basket where the player can run the baseline.
 
There’s a reason it “hadn’t t got called”. What Pemsl did was a legal inbound.

I love the fans who give coaching advice from only watching part of the game. OP is a waste of time and bandwidth.
People don't understand that its not like scoring a TD in football, there's no imaginary plane to cross. He just can't step in bounds before he throws it.....
 
It’s a subjective call where the ref thinks he didn’t establish himself out of bounds or left the spot early. In this case, he’s still partially in bounds when he releases the ball. While he wasn’t touching anywhere inbounds you can see what they are saying. Iowa has been called on it this year and so have other teams not just not often. While it’s inconsistently called, it’s easier just to be safe and make sure you’re out of bounds completely.

The thrower-in shall not leave the designated spot until he has released the ball and the thrown-in ball has crossed the plane of the sideline or end line

So much wrong here.
Can you cite the bolded part? That sounds like what it should say for a set inbound rather than after a made basket where the player can run the baseline.


So wrong that he is not even citing this specific play. You are correct that this is not for an inbounds after a made basket. Basically what he posted is that the in-bounder may not travel the baseline on a deadball inbound play.
 
So, to sum up this thread -

1. Pemsl did nothing wrong.
2. The coaches did nothing wrong
3. If Pemsl HAD done it incorrectly, it would be a physical mistake, not a mental one. He didn't forget the rule.
4. Illinois didn't score on the subsequent possession, so it hardly seems like a "turning point".

It's a double nothing burger with cheese.
 
No violation should have been called, Pemsl was clearly out of bounds when he threw it in. I don't think is is just a coincidence that the Illannoy coach was in Wymer's (sp?) ear just before the call was made.
 
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So, to sum up this thread -

1. Pemsl did nothing wrong.
2. The coaches did nothing wrong
3. If Pemsl HAD done it incorrectly, it would be a physical mistake, not a mental one. He didn't forget the rule.
4. Illinois didn't score on the subsequent possession, so it hardly seems like a "turning point".

It's a double nothing burger with cheese.

Agreed with one additional point:
5. It costed Iowa a possession.
 
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So, to sum up this thread -

1. Pemsl did nothing wrong.
2. The coaches did nothing wrong
3. If Pemsl HAD done it incorrectly, it would be a physical mistake, not a mental one. He didn't forget the rule.
4. Illinois didn't score on the subsequent possession, so it hardly seems like a "turning point".

It's a double nothing burger with cheese.

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