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Commentary: How the NRA conquered Washington and abandoned gun owners like me

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In the winter of 2008, shortly after the election of Barack Obama, my fiancee and I stopped into a local gun shop in Austin to buy ammunition for target practice, a hobby we enjoyed once or twice a month. Though we hadn't asked, the clerk behind the counter told us that all the AR- and AK-style rifles were back-ordered. We could get on the waitlist, he offered, but the delay might be a couple of months — "if it's still even legal to buy one then."

Eight years later, gun rights in America appear not only to have survived the Obama administration but to have thrived. Gun sales broke records almost every year of the past eight. As president, Obama signed legislation allowing guns onto Amtrak trains and into national parks, where they were previously prohibited, and his executive orders after the Sandy Hook massacre had no perceptible effect on most gun owners. Then we elected Donald Trump — a long-shot candidate who earned an endorsement from the National Rifle Association before he had even consolidated the support of his own political party. In April, Trump became the first sitting U.S. president since Ronald Reagan to address the NRA's annual meeting. He told the cheering crowd that he was their "true friend and champion in the White House" and proclaimed that "the eight-year assault on your Second Amendment freedoms" was over.


Perhaps the NRA shouldn't have cheered. For years, the gun lobby has built its narrative around the idea that powerful forces in government are conspiring to ban and confiscate privately owned guns. That premise drove gun owners to sporting-goods stores as well as to the polls. Trump's election, coinciding with conservative majorities in both houses of Congress and on the Supreme Court, has tanked gun sales and undermined the NRA's most effective messaging. And with several Republican congressmen targeted this past week in a shooting in suburban Washington, the familiar political rhetoric about guns now seems dissonant.

When the NRA sells T-shirts depicting a rifle-wielding eagle above the slogan "Because you can't fist fight tyranny," the implication is that you can fight tyranny (however you perceive it) with guns. It should be no surprise that someone would shoot democratically elected representatives when we've been told for decades that that's the patriotic redress to political grievances. How will the NRA's anti-government message resonate in the absence of a gun-grabbing bogeyman, and when its own A-rated politicians are targeted by gun violence? And who will represent gun owners' actual interests while the NRA chases an antagonistic strategy that now seems entirely played out?


The idea that the NRA speaks with one voice for America's 100 million gun owners has never really been credible. The organization claims to have 5 million members, a figure that can't be independently verified and that doesn't jibe with its magazine circulation. That tally also includes people like me: intermittent NRA members who joined as a prerequisite for something else. (Local gun clubs, certain insurance policies and even some employers require NRA membership or subsidize it as a benefit.) In any case, the political agenda of the organization doesn't necessarily reflect the will of rank-and-file members. Of the 76 directors who lead the NRA, annual-dues-paying members elect only one. A small committee nominates candidates to fill the other 75 positions, for which only lifetime members may cast votes.

Still, there's no denying the NRA's huge political influence over the past few decades. Its Political Victory Fund scores candidates at every level of government, and an endorsement can be extremely valuable — in the 2016 election cycle, the NRA dumped millions of dollars into key races. By flexing its political muscle, the NRA has blocked funding for federal gun violence research, stalled presidential appointments and killed every significant piece of gun-control legislation introduced in Congress since the Federal assault weapons ban of 1994.

Having won battles against universal background checks and a federal assault weapons ban, the group has moved on to champion less-popular causes. Here in Texas, affiliates of the NRA have voiced support for the right to carry guns in college classrooms, courthouses, mental hospitals and zoos, and the right to carry a gun with no license or training whatsoever.

But who really wants this stuff? In August 2016, a young man identified himself to the New York Times as the only remaining member of Students for Campus Carry at the University of Texas at Austin (where about 50,000 undergraduates are enrolled). I've observed half a dozen open-carry demonstrations in the vicinity of the Texas State Capitol — the clusters of men with semiautomatic rifles slung across their chests are conspicuous but not numerous. A 2015 University of Texas/Texas Tribune poll found that only 32 percent of Texans wanted looser gun laws; a 2016 poll in Utah found that only 24 percent of Utahns supported legalizing permitless carrying. These are policies in search of a constituency.

Legislators in deep-red Texas,Louisiana and South Carolina were still considering permitless-carry legislation this spring, after similar bills failed in New Mexico, Virginia, Utah and South Dakota. The bills were widely unpopular and were vocally opposed by law enforcement, but had the support of NRA-affiliated state organizations. Gun violence prevention advocates in Texas and Louisiana told me that, behind closed doors, Republican legislators encouraged them to keep up the fight, in the hopes that public pressure would ease these bills to an early death in committee. That's exactly what happened. (Supporters of permitless carry in Texas have hopes that the legislation could get another chance during this summer's special session, but Governor Abbott didn't include it on his 19-point agenda.)

That the policies are unpopular and incite protest can be spun as a plus for the NRA in the post-Obama era. You won't find anybody spontaneously marching in the streets in favor of gun confiscation or a broad ban on civilian gun sales. If the NRA wants to produce evidence of "anti-gun" activism, it needs to provoke it. Suggest guns in dormitories or guns in bars or a bill to allow domestic abusers to keep their guns, and of course somebody will show up wearing a sandwich board or swinging a dildo in protest.

Meanwhile, many new gun owners seem content (or compelled) to stand apart from the NRA and establish their own organizations. These include the National African American Gun Association; the Pink Pistols, an LGBT gun group; Trigger Happy Firearm Instruction, described by its founder as "a movement" for African American women; and the Black Women's Defense League. Some of these growing groups (such as the Liberal Gun Club) have articulated specific policy positions, but most have very broad vision statements about inclusion or empowerment.

Faced with an evolving political climate, the NRA appears now to be doubling down on strategic antagonism. Casting about for a new enemy to replace Obama, the group recently turned its attention to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), which it compares to al-Qaeda. While the NRA focuses on PETA, perhaps one of these emerging groups can take up issues more relevant to many gun owners.

Almost every gun owner will tell you that they prioritize safety. They're usually talking about their own practices in the way they handle guns. And to their credit, most gun-related organizations I've encountered, including the NRA, offer information or training on the safe handling of firearms to prevent accidents. But what about consumer safety? The NRA has fought efforts to regulate gun and ammunition manufacturing, or to grant any federal agency the authority to mandate a safety recall for firearms. In some instances, gunmakershave known for years about defects in their products that have caused injuries and death, but have delayed issuing a recall. Nearly every other industry in the United States is subject to regulatory oversight for product safety, and the firearm industry should be no different. But when legislators express support for emerging technology that could make guns safer, the NRA labels them "anti-gun."




Matt Valentine has written about gun policy and gun violence for the Atlantic and Politico Magazine.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-nra-washington-gun-lobby-20170619-story.html
 
I remember a couple years ago going into a large gun store just out of a general interest of a home defense weapon.

While the people there where helpful they did make sure to include the complaint about how hard it was to get a gun in our country. I am standing there in the middle of this gun store looking around at all these guns, some of them AR-15's or other assault type rifles as well as uzi clones plus the normal assortment of handguns, shotguns, and rifles all of which the only thing preventing me from buying was the amount of money I had and it just strikes me as insane that someone could say something like that.

The level of fear mongering that the NRA peddles in is incredible. Not just about how the government is gonna take away all your guns but the fear mongering that the only way that one is ever safe is if they are carrying a gun on them at all times.

Unfortunately my brother and his friends are true believers in their ideology.
 
I remember a couple years ago going into a large gun store just out of a general interest of a home defense weapon.

While the people there where helpful they did make sure to include the complaint about how hard it was to get a gun in our country. I am standing there in the middle of this gun store looking around at all these guns, some of them AR-15's or other assault type rifles as well as uzi clones plus the normal assortment of handguns, shotguns, and rifles all of which the only thing preventing me from buying was the amount of money I had and it just strikes me as insane that someone could say something like that.

The level of fear mongering that the NRA peddles in is incredible. Not just about how the government is gonna take away all your guns but the fear mongering that the only way that one is ever safe is if they are carrying a gun on them at all times.

Unfortunately my brother and his friends are true believers in their ideology.

You would have had to pass a background check. Two years ago, that would have included mental health issues if you live in a state that reports them to the Feds.

Those "assault type rifles" and "uzi clones" are no more lethal than a Ruger ranch rifle. On that note, I'd like to see a picture from a firearms retailer that sells "uzi clones" and has them on display. I'm sure they are out there, but I've never seen an "uzi clone" at any chain sporting goods store, or online retailer like Buds.
 
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Hillary Clinton called the total handgun ban in DC common sense gun restrictions in the debate with Donald Trump.

I just went in and ordered a RIA Rock ultra 45 CS.It will be here Wednesday. I have a purchase permit so no further background check will need be done.

Thank you NRA.
 
You would have had to pass a background check. Two years ago, that would have included mental health issues if you live in a state that reports them to the Feds.

Those "assault type rifles" and "uzi clones" are no more lethal than a Ruger ranch rifle. On that note, I'd like to see a picture from a firearms retailer that sells "uzi clones" and has them on display. I'm sure they are out there, but I've never seen an "uzi clone" at any chain sporting goods store, or online retailer like Buds.

Since I have no criminal background and I'm mentally healthy the only thing preventing me from buying those guns was my bank account.

The gun store I visited doesn't have an online listing of their inventory but I googled "uzi clones for sale" and plenty of hits came up.

Here is one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Uzi-9mm/Browse.aspx?Keywords=Uzi+9mm

Needless to say you can buy them.
 
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Since I have no criminal background and I'm mentally healthy the only thing preventing me from buying those guns was my bank account.

The gun store I visited doesn't have an online listing of their inventory but I googled "uzi clones for sale" and plenty of hits came up.

Here is one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Uzi-9mm/Browse.aspx?Keywords=Uzi+9mm

Needless to say you can buy them.

Nice play on words. Congrats. I'm glad your bank account prevented you from buying the guns. They are obviously too scary for you.
 
Nice play on words. Congrats. I'm glad your bank account prevented you from buying the guns. They are obviously too scary for you.

No what prevented me from buying the gun was my lack of desire for one, especially in a house with small children.

I'm saying that if I wanted a gun I could get a gun and the only limiting factor was money. So I find the statement that it's hard to get a gun in this country to be a stupid statement.
 
No what prevented me from buying the gun was my lack of desire for one, especially in a house with small children.

I'm saying that if I wanted a gun I could get a gun and the only limiting factor was money. So I find the statement that it's hard to get a gun in this country to be a stupid statement.

You said, twice, the only thing preventing you from buying a gun was your bank account. If you wanted to say that money is the limiting factor for others, you should have said that.

It's not hard for people without a criminal record or mental illness to buy a firearm. It shouldn't be hard, because it's a right provided by the second amendment.

I'm really glad you didn't buy a gun. Gun ownership carries responsibility.
 
It's not hard for people without a criminal record or mental illness to buy a firearm. It shouldn't be hard, because it's a right provided by the second amendment.

I'm really glad you didn't buy a gun. Gun ownership carries responsibility.

That's my point. But the people who ran the gun store think it's exceptionally hard in America to get a gun. This is how bad the NRA is. You can buy something as long as you arn't crazy or a criminal but the NRA has them convinced it's really hard to do.
 
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For years, the gun lobby has built its narrative around the idea that powerful forces in government are conspiring to ban and confiscate privately owned guns

Uh, they ARE CONSPIRING. Obama built much of his presidency upon it.

When multiple leftist politicians go on national news and say things like " I really think the Australia example is something that we should look at" there really is no other way to look at that then meaning the left wants to ban guns

Please, please, please continue to use this narrative in elections
 
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It should be no surprise that someone would shoot democratically elected representatives when we've been told for decades that that's the patriotic redress to political grievances

It should be no surprise that liberals are actually shooting Republican politicians after they have been told for decades how evil Republicans are. Democrat politicians and their media have been telling their base that Republicans want to kill the planet that Republicans hate poor people old people gays minorities and women and our daily told that Republicans want to kill those people.

Yes it does seem logical that if there's someone that evil that that they should be eradicated or have violence used against them.

Thank you for bringing this issue to light as we've been saying for years.

Liberals have been convinced it's a good idea to kill Republicans
 
That's my point. But the people who ran the gun store think it's exceptionally hard in America to get a gun. This is how bad the NRA is. You can buy something as long as you arn't crazy or a criminal but the NRA has them convinced it's really hard to do.
It is infinitely harder to buy a gun than it is to vote and yet liberals scream bloody murder claiming how difficult it is for blacks to obtain an ID in order to vote.

How ridiculously condescending that must be for a black person to hear that come from a liberal. Yet liberals will continue to try and claim that they are for the minority population that they are what's best. If they have their way Poors and most blacks would never be able to own guns because they couldn't afford to do it

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Yes, voter ID laws are racist

 
The republican party has gutted every gun law in this country which were paltry at best to start with. Thanks to the NRA owning the R's.

We need some common sense on guns, it would be nice if the NRA and R's would act like adults on this for a change. Easy access to guns and excessive firepower, who would have thought that gun deaths would escalate when more guns are allowed on the streets.
 
We need some common sense on guns, it would be nice if the NRA and R's would act like adults on this for a change. Easy access to guns and excessive firepower, who would have thought that gun deaths would escalate when more guns are allowed on the streets.
yet statistics don't support your ignorant statement in any way.

Gun ownership has exploded over the last two decades yet gun violence has reduced. Furthermore, if you take out suicides and Gang Related murders in Democrat run inner-city shitholes, America is doing extremely well in relation to the number of guns owned

Of course, most studies and statistics that are released by the left are dishonest and misleading. Otherwise like almost everything liberals do their agenda Falls completely apart
 
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It is infinitely harder to buy a gun than it is to vote and yet liberals scream bloody murder claiming how difficult it is for blacks to obtain an ID in order to vote.

How ridiculously condescending that must be for a black person to hear that come from a liberal. Yet liberals will continue to try and claim that they are for the minority population that they are what's best. If they have their way Poors and most blacks would never be able to own guns because they couldn't afford to do it

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Yes, voter ID laws are racist


I agree with you on voter ID laws. But since votes don't directly get anyone killed and guns can and do, I would say it's smart that it's a little harder to buy a gun then vote.
 
I agree with you on voter ID laws. But since votes don't directly get anyone killed and guns can and do, I would say it's smart that it's a little harder to buy a gun then vote.
But you've already said you want to make it harder. Both our constitutional rights. There shouldn't be any more restrictions

Also, some of the ridiculous reciprocity rules regarding ccw are terrible and unconstitutional
 
The republican party has gutted every gun law in this country which were paltry at best to start with. Thanks to the NRA owning the R's.
Perhaps you could provide some examples so we could understand what you are talking about here.

Easy access to guns and excessive firepower, who would have thought that gun deaths would escalate when more guns are allowed on the streets.
Again examples would be helpful here too.
 
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You anti-gun people realize that you've still never ratified the Constitution, in order to infringe on the right to bear arms, right?
 
yet statistics don't support your ignorant statement in any way.

Gun ownership has exploded over the last two decades yet gun violence has reduced. Furthermore, if you take out suicides and Gang Related murders in Democrat run inner-city shitholes, America is doing extremely well in relation to the number of guns owned

Of course, most studies and statistics that are released by the left are dishonest and misleading. Otherwise like almost everything liberals do their agenda Falls completely apart
Weird. Just like always when facts come out, the gun grabbers run away.

They will come back another day spouting the same incorrect nonsense pretending as if they were never corrected before. So much dishonesty
 
Here is yet another example of media malpractice. They don't do any research beforehand they just spew bullshit and don't know a damn thing about firearms or laws.

They dont care either. This tweet received 16,000 retweets so far.


Just one little problem. It's already illegal.

 
It should be no surprise that liberals are actually shooting Republican politicians after they have been told for decades how evil Republicans are. Democrat politicians and their media have been telling their base that Republicans want to kill the planet that Republicans hate poor people old people gays minorities and women and our daily told that Republicans want to kill those people.

Yes it does seem logical that if there's someone that evil that that they should be eradicated or have violence used against them.

Thank you for bringing this issue to light as we've been saying for years.

Liberals have been convinced it's a good idea to kill Republicans

As ridiculous as your statement is, it's not liberals who were going around saying the only way to fight tyranny is a gun. And guns are needed to make the government fear the people. So, you can thank your Republican legislatures and the NRA for the assault that happened last week. He was only following your instructions.
 
You would have had to pass a background check. Two years ago, that would have included mental health issues if you live in a state that reports them to the Feds.

Those "assault type rifles" and "uzi clones" are no more lethal than a Ruger ranch rifle. On that note, I'd like to see a picture from a firearms retailer that sells "uzi clones" and has them on display. I'm sure they are out there, but I've never seen an "uzi clone" at any chain sporting goods store, or online retailer like Buds.

Depends on what you define as a clone - Buds sells them if you consider a 22LR that locks like an UZI as a clone.
 
Since I have no criminal background and I'm mentally healthy the only thing preventing me from buying those guns was my bank account.

The gun store I visited doesn't have an online listing of their inventory but I googled "uzi clones for sale" and plenty of hits came up.

Here is one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Uzi-9mm/Browse.aspx?Keywords=Uzi+9mm

Needless to say you can buy them.

Gunbroker sells everything though and a ton of items you need Class 3 license for - I have bought about 20 guns on there in the past year as the guy I use for my FFL gives me a great price per firearm.

Just as an FYI - don't use Gunbroker as an example of what the normal citizen can buy.
 
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I agree with you on voter ID laws. But since votes don't directly get anyone killed and guns can and do, I would say it's smart that it's a little harder to buy a gun then vote.

While it might not be directly - votes have killed more people than anything else in the history of this country
 
This is where the acting like an adult part comes in. Not going to waste my time.


Perhaps you could provide some examples so we could understand what you are talking about here.


Again examples would be helpful here too.
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As ridiculous as your statement is, it's not liberals who were going around saying the only way to fight tyranny is a gun. And guns are needed to make the government fear the people. So, you can thank your Republican legislatures and the NRA for the assault that happened last week. He was only following your instructions.

It needs to be noted that when Gabby Gifford was shot and seriously injured, the hard right didn't speak out other than to say we don't need gun control. It wasn't until a republican is shot does the hard right realize that they were leading the charge for violence against our government.

Now did Salice vote in favor of allowing greater use of silencers?
 
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It needs to be noted that when Gabby Gifford was shot and seriously injured, the hard right didn't speak out other than to say we don't need gun control. It wasn't until a republican is shot does the hard right realize that they were leading the charge for violence against our government.

Now did Salice vote in favor of allowing greater use of silencers?

Not sure on how he voted for that but he did vote to allow people with mental illness and histories of domestic abuse to be able to own guns.

I should mention that I actually support using silencers. Silencers don't work like hollywood movies want them to work. Firing a gun still makes a loud noise. It just reduces the noise a bit and makes it easier on the ears. There are far more dangerous areas to focus regulations, imo.
 
Still waiting for the NRA to speak up for Philando Castille - legal gun owner shot by police after committing no crime. Usually this is right up their alley. Wonder why they never commented on it.....
There are lots of things they don't comment on. The thing is no matter what they say or don't say you are still going to overreact the same way.

Thus they are better off in most cases not saying much
 
As ridiculous as your statement is, it's not liberals who were going around saying the only way to fight tyranny is a gun. And guns are needed to make the government fear the people. So, you can thank your Republican legislatures and the NRA for the assault that happened last week. He was only following your instructions.
Nope, you see, guns don't kill people. lunatic Democrats generally do.

But it is true, about the only way to fight tyranny is with a gun. Or at least it gives the citizenship a chance.

The difference is the Democrat Party and people like you have convinced your base that Republicans are currently tyrannical and want tyranny. You've convinced your base that they want to murder blacks and gays and women and hate the planet. Inevitably Your Base is going to continue to try and kill Republicans

Most people on the right understand what tyranny actually looks like in real life because they understand history.

You people get upset because you lose an election and think that is tyranny.
 
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Nope, you see, guns don't kill people. lunatic Democrats generally do.

But it is true, about the only way to fight tyranny is with a gun. Or at least it gives the citizenship a chance.

The difference is the Democrat Party and people like you have convinced your base that Republicans are currently tyrannical and want tyranny. You've convinced your base that they want to murder blacks and gays and women and hate the planet. Inevitably Your Base is going to continue to try and kill Republicans

Most people on the right understand what tyranny actually looks like in real life because they understand history.

You people get upset because you lose an election and think that is tyranny.

I haven't done shit. Republican policies have done this. Your whole rant here shows that you don't have a clue what tyranny actually is. I'll give you a hint, when a minority dictate terms to a majority and the interests of the wealthiest are the only concern in policy making then you are living in a tyranny. You're just too dumb to realize that the party you support is screwing you over. All because "Democrats are gonna steal yer guns!!!" So, how many guns of yours got stolen from democrats in the last 8 years?
 
Got nothing do you? Claiming the same thing over and over doesn't make it true, but then again the truth doesn't do a thing for you agenda.


Right, gun laws are very effective and the abuse of guns has not grown. Continue to ignore the facts, works for you.
 
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I haven't done shit. Republican policies have done this. Your whole rant here shows that you don't have a clue what tyranny actually is. I'll give you a hint, when a minority dictate terms to a majority and the interests of the wealthiest are the only concern in policy making then you are living in a tyranny. You're just too dumb to realize that the party you support is screwing you over. All because "Democrats are gonna steal yer guns!!!" So, how many guns of yours got stolen from democrats in the last 8 years?
Wow. What a ridiculous post.

Insanity has a liberal bias
 
Right, gun laws are very effective and the abuse of guns has not grown. Continue to ignore the facts, works for you.
Gun laws are extremely effective. But just like other laws such as murder, people sometimes still did not follow those laws.

Facts and statistics are still not on your side
 
I get the hunting thing. I would do a lot worse than a gun...thats too easy...I would use some sort of infection agent....like a Komodo Dragon...like a knife smeared with shit...and give then a nasty type of infection that lets them die slowly and painfully....you gun people are soft....
 
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