Commitment, or lack thereof

[hawkaeg80]

I am not ragging on Bradley, but just when did he decide that he didn't want to wrestle anymore?
I understand wanting to start a family and all, but Iowa holds a scholarship for you for a few years and then just before the season starts you back out? Seriously. Now the Hawks will be forced, in all probability, to forfeit every HWT match through the Midlands, and are one major injury away from having a very frustrating and disappointing season. The team needed you man.

 

[dicemen99]

I am not ragging on Bradley, but just when did he decide that he didn't want to wrestle anymore?
I understand wanting to start a family and all, but Iowa holds a scholarship for you for a few years and then just before the season starts you back out? Seriously. Now the Hawks will be forced, in all probability, to forfeit every HWT match through the Midlands, and are one major injury away from having a very frustrating and disappointing season. The team needed you man.

Iowa doesn't "hold a scholarship" for anyone. Every year 9.9 are given out. Also, there is no way Bradley was getting a full ride.

You're out of your mind. Kid went on a mission and got married, decided he had different priorities for HIS life.

Doubtful Iowa forfeits all the HWT matches and they are a major injury way from a frustrating and disappointing season whether Bradley wrestles or not.

Not that I would blame anyone here, but since you want to blame someone for a lack of HWT depth and possibly forfeiting a meaningless match in a couple of early season duals - I wouldn't put the blame on Bradley for putting your eggs in the basket of someone going on a two year mission.

Again, you're out of your mind with this opinion, but I guess everyone is entitled.

 

[Azchief32]

He's not necessarily out of his mind Dice. Bradley did come back from his mission, enrolled at Iowa and said he had every intention of wrestling all the way up until last May I believe to include posting tweets and updates on HR.

That said, shit happens. Priorities change and life will go on. All I care about is if Stoll is 100% five or six matches before B1G.

 

[championhawk]

Can you blame Bradley once he found out Gable Stevenson was committing in November?

 

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Iowa doesn't "hold a scholarship" for anyone. Every year 9.9 are given out. Also, there is no way Bradley was getting a full ride.

You're out of your mind. Kid went on a mission and got married, decided he had different priorities for HIS life.

Doubtful Iowa forfeits all the HWT matches and they are a major injury way from a frustrating and disappointing season whether Bradley wrestles or not.

Not that I would blame anyone here, but since you want to blame someone for a lack of HWT depth and possibly forfeiting a meaningless match in a couple of early season duals - I wouldn't put the blame on Bradley for putting your eggs in the basket of someone going on a two year mission.

Again, you're out of your mind with this opinion, but I guess everyone is entitled.

Well so am I then, but if I disagree with you it's just another day, so there's that.

Bradley committed to wrestle at Iowa and HE backed out of that agreement. Doesn't matter if he's a Mormon or a Catholic, that's on him, regardless of his "life" changes.

Everybody else that is in that room has daily "life" changes as well, yet they're still there, where they said they would be. Their individual improvement or lack there-of is immaterial at that point. They can be used if called upon.

I assume at some point Bradley and his parents signed his Letter of Intent. That signed letter means his INTENT was to show up and wrestle at Iowa in the agreed upon time-frame between he and the Iowa Coaching Staff (maybe it's different with the Mission thing, but the point remains the same - he was on board and declared it as such).

He committed to join Iowa on Date X. A known date that Iowa no longer concentrates on a certain "type" of HWT. to join the ranks, since they already had one in the fold. 9.9 dictates this type of behavior. For everyone.

And how about this Dicey.............this is from Nov. of 2015, hardly a lifetime ago....

The truth is, Bradley going anywhere but Iowa was never truly in doubt, “I have never really changed my mind. I haven’t really gone off and talked with other coaches since I made my decision. I am pretty excited [to be a Hawk].” Bradley told us in an interview, “I remember the recruiting trips before I left for my mission. I visited various colleges and I knew that when I visited Iowa I just fell in love with it. I felt great about it, the coaches were awesome, I was pretty much set on going to Iowa during my mission and right now.”

So with Bradley officially (still) committed to the Hawkeyes we went in to discuss his plans of joining the team, “My full eligibility clock will start in the fall of next year.” (for those paying attention Fall of next year is right now................)



Yes, Bradley can do whatever he wants with HIS life. But to suggest his "choice" didn't screw Iowa in the process is ignorant at best. Hard to fathom how anyone with a clue would suggest otherwise..................

 

[manmythlegend1]

Well so am I then, but if I disagree with you it's just another day, so there's that.

Bradley committed to wrestle at Iowa and HE backed out of that agreement. Doesn't matter if he's a Mormon or a Catholic, that's on him, regardless of his "life" changes.

Everybody else that is in that room has daily "life" changes as well, yet they're still there, where they said they would be. Their individual improvement or lack there-of is immaterial at that point. They can be used if called upon.

I assume at some point Bradley and his parents signed his Letter of Intent. That signed letter means his INTENT was to show up and wrestle at Iowa in the agreed upon time-frame between he and the Iowa Coaching Staff (maybe it's different with the Mission thing, but the point remains the same - he was on board and declared it as such).

He committed to join Iowa on Date X. A known date that Iowa no longer concentrates on a certain "type" of HWT. to join the ranks, since they already had one in the fold. 9.9 dictates this type of behavior. For everyone.

And how about this Dicey.............this is from Nov. of 2015, hardly a lifetime ago....

The truth is, Bradley going anywhere but Iowa was never truly in doubt, “I have never really changed my mind. I haven’t really gone off and talked with other coaches since I made my decision. I am pretty excited [to be a Hawk].” Bradley told us in an interview, “I remember the recruiting trips before I left for my mission. I visited various colleges and I knew that when I visited Iowa I just fell in love with it. I felt great about it, the coaches were awesome, I was pretty much set on going to Iowa during my mission and right now.”

So with Bradley officially (still) committed to the Hawkeyes we went in to discuss his plans of joining the team, “My full eligibility clock will start in the fall of next year.” (for those paying attention Fall of next year is right now................)



Yes, Bradley can do whatever he wants with HIS life. But to suggest his "choice" didn't screw Iowa in the process is ignorant at best. Hard to fathom how anyone with a clue would suggest otherwise..................

That's a little harsh, if they really want him to wrestle offer him more scholarship money....with Stoll, why would you? If PSU loses out on Manville for the same reason, I would not be surprised or blame Manville for doing whats best for him..I would be disappointed however

 

[93hawkeye]

College wrestling is an incredibly demanding sport. Every year there are high profile guys that wash out. It's far better for everyone for Bradley to be honest if his heart isn't in it anymore.
Yeah, I know it sucks cuz there a so little margin for error on rosters.

 

[Azchief32]

That's a little harsh, if they really want him to wrestle offer him more scholarship money....with Stoll, why would you? If PSU loses out on Manville for the same reason, I would not be surprised or blame Manville for doing whats best for him..I would be disappointed however

I'm just spitballing here but I think Bradley thought he could do both...be a husband and a wrestler. He got back and got a taste of the life and knows how much it would take to get back there, try and be a husband, and then be a student. He cut out the most unimportant part to him. Wasn't about money or starting or else we would hear of a transfer. So...not like the Manville situation at all.

 

[crapman]

No way does Iowa forfeit any heavyweight matches before Midlands. Heard Holloway is pushing 250 now.

 

[1stplacehawk]

Bradley was always a calculated risk and it didn't work out. Time to get over it and move on

 

[pinters]

Holloway is like 6 foot, 225 was what I heard.
Paying out of state tuition... Ouch

 

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Holloway is like 6 foot, 225 was what I heard.
Paying out of state tuition... Ouch

Unless you're talking about a different Holloway, this one's from Iowa.

 

[pinters]

I do remember Steven Disney duals watched him hammer peeps. Straight up beat down mostly first 90 secs. I do love Steven potential.
Bradley on "out of state tuition sloe"

 

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That's a little harsh, if they really want him to wrestle offer him more scholarship money....with Stoll, why would you? If PSU loses out on Manville for the same reason, I would not be surprised or blame Manville for doing whats best for him..I would be disappointed however

Little harsh? It's the damn truth. If you can't handle that, it's not my problem.

Look, I don't hate the kid, but for you clowns to suggest this doesn't impact Iowa and Bradley plays no part in that, clearly proves you didn't pay near enough attention while in a classroom.

Give him more scholarship money? Fine, how about Nolf's share?

 

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I do remember Steven Disney duals watched him hammer peeps. Straight up beat down mostly first 90 secs. I do love Steven potential.
Bradley on "out of state tuition sloe"

Well that makes some sense.....maybe others caught the reference.

 

[SPOONER]

Bradley is free to make whatever decision he wants. It is his life and we don't walk in his shoes. Things change.

 

[championhawk]

I do remember Steven Disney duals watched him hammer peeps. Straight up beat down mostly first 90 secs. I do love Steven potential.
Bradley on "out of state tuition sloe"

Bradley was establishing residency for in state tuition as far as I knew. Holloway at 250 is pretty funny. I think crapman may be the newest troll. Weight certification is just around the corner so it makes perfect sense for Holloway to be 250.

 

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Bradley is free to make whatever decision he wants. It is his life and we don't walk in his shoes. Things change.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

 

[TarpHawk]

It seems unlikely that Brands would've burned Bradley's redshirt to have him cover a few fall duals, especially since we were trying to create as much eligibility gap as possible between Stoll and Bradley. And by all accounts it's better for him to leave the program now than a year from now: he would've been using scholly money this year, and it would've put us another year behind in recruiting a new heavyweight. Onus was and still is on Brands to have a backup who's not a true freshman ready to step in for fall duals, having known since March that Stoll was unlikely to go this fall. But it's tough to recruit anybody decent for the job of starting in the fall then giving up your spot in the spring and the two seasons after that. I'd agree with bumping Holloway if he weren't our only 197-pounder.

 

[McCulloughd]

Little harsh? It's the damn truth. If you can't handle that, it's not my problem.

Look, I don't hate the kid, but for you clowns to suggest this doesn't impact Iowa and Bradley plays no part in that, clearly proves you didn't pay near enough attention while in a classroom.

Give him more scholarship money? Fine, how about Nolf's share?

"That hurt"

 

[SPOONER]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

If it were that obvious this wouldn't be a thread.

 

[hawkssox1]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

Quit being such a dick.

 

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Quit being such a dick.

FODB

 

[manmythlegend1]

Little harsh? It's the damn truth. If you can't handle that, it's not my problem.

Look, I don't hate the kid, but for you clowns to suggest this doesn't impact Iowa and Bradley plays no part in that, clearly proves you didn't pay near enough attention while in a classroom.

Give him more scholarship money? Fine, how about Nolf's share?

lol, You obviously did not get my point. The coaches have the right to make a decision based on need, skill and availability in determining how much scholarship money is offered? The Students have a right to accept that offer or not accept that....Slavery was abolished with the 13th amendment. A letter of intent is exactly what it sounds like, intent......its not a lifelong and ironclad document.

on your point that it affects Iowa in a negative way, I agree with you and understand your disappointment.

 

[dicemen99]

Bradley was always a calculated risk and it didn't work out. Time to get over it and move on

This is exactly my point. The situation was not the same as someone committing, coming in and leaving after a month.

The guy committed with the understanding that he was going on a two-year mission. The Brands accepted the commitment knowing this, and although they may have been disappointed, I'm sure they were not shocked and dismayed when life had changed for the young man during two years away from wrestling.

During the two years, he tied up NO scholarship money for Iowa and likely had no effect on recruiting an elite HWT with Stoll just entering SO eligibility.

It was a nice gamble, but it didn't take. The OP is butthurt about forfeiting 285 for a couple of duals that Iowa is winning anyway. Bradley wrestling or not this year has NO, repeat NO effect on the success of Iowa's season - not beating any good 285s in critical duals this year nor scoring any points at NCAAs if Stoll's injury lingers or reoccurs.

Bradley at best was expected to contribute meaningfully 3 years from now and he will not be tying up any scholarship money used to recruit a HS kid to fill that role.

 

[dicemen99]

He's not necessarily out of his mind Dice. Bradley did come back from his mission, enrolled at Iowa and said he had every intention of wrestling all the way up until last May I believe to include posting tweets and updates on HR.

That said, shit happens. Priorities change and life will go on. All I care about is if Stoll is 100% five or six matches before B1G.

I get it AZ, but to summarize:

Nobody knows what is offered to who except the coaches, wrestlers and a select few, but suffice to say there is little chance that Bradley is offered a big chunk of scholarship money to come here as a developmental HWT. I don't mean developmental in a bad way, but I watched Bradley throughout his HS career many times and he had some very nice attributes to project at the next level, but was nowhere near being ready to come in and beat top NCAA heavies during his SR year. Not many are, but Bradley wasn't considered to be any better prospects (if as good) than guys like Stoll or a Brooks Black - guys that take time to succeed at 285 at an NCAA level. How do you think Stoll would have done had he been thrown out there first year? Black? - still developing. Then he takes two years on a mission - unless he was on a secret training mission, he is at a minimum of a year away from being able to beat anyone decent. And he's not being counted on to do that anyway because Stoll has tons of eligibility wise.

So, Iowa has a plan where the guy comes in with plenty of time to develop into a guy who can impact their team success. Now that he is not wrestling, Iowa still has more than enough time to recruit someone to do this with Stoll having three years of eligibility left.

So the OP is up in arms over a lack of commitment of Bradley because Iowa may be in bad shape at 285 against Purdue and Iowa State????? Not too mention it is likely that Bradley would have had his hands full with whoever the likes of Purdue and Iowa State are sending out there until 2017-18 at minimum?

Yes, I repeat, OP is out of his mind.

 

[whejoe]

I get it AZ, but to summarize:

Nobody knows what is offered to who except the coaches, wrestlers and a select few, but suffice to say there is little chance that Bradley is offered a big chunk of scholarship money to come here as a developmental HWT. I don't mean developmental in a bad way, but I watched Bradley throughout his HS career many times and he had some very nice attributes to project at the next level, but was nowhere near being ready to come in and beat top NCAA heavies during his SR year. Not many are, but Bradley wasn't considered to be any better prospects (if as good) than guys like Stoll or a Brooks Black - guys that take time to succeed at 285 at an NCAA level. How do you think Stoll would have done had he been thrown out there first year? Black? - still developing. Then he takes two years on a mission - unless he was on a secret training mission, he is at a minimum of a year away from being able to beat anyone decent. And he's not being counted on to do that anyway because Stoll has tons of eligibility wise.

So, Iowa has a plan where the guy comes in with plenty of time to develop into a guy who can impact their team success. Now that he is not wrestling, Iowa still has more than enough time to recruit someone to do this with Stoll having three years of eligibility left.

So the OP is up in arms over a lack of commitment of Bradley because Iowa may be in bad shape at 285 against Purdue and Iowa State????? Not too mention it is likely that Bradley would have had his hands full with whoever the likes of Purdue and Iowa State are sending out there until 2017-18 at minimum?

Yes, I repeat, OP is out of his mind.

I think you are out of your mind for being up in arms about the op being up in arms......

 

[Azchief32]

I get it AZ, but to summarize:

Nobody knows what is offered to who except the coaches, wrestlers and a select few, but suffice to say there is little chance that Bradley is offered a big chunk of scholarship money to come here as a developmental HWT. I don't mean developmental in a bad way, but I watched Bradley throughout his HS career many times and he had some very nice attributes to project at the next level, but was nowhere near being ready to come in and beat top NCAA heavies during his SR year. Not many are, but Bradley wasn't considered to be any better prospects (if as good) than guys like Stoll or a Brooks Black - guys that take time to succeed at 285 at an NCAA level. How do you think Stoll would have done had he been thrown out there first year? Black? - still developing. Then he takes two years on a mission - unless he was on a secret training mission, he is at a minimum of a year away from being able to beat anyone decent. And he's not being counted on to do that anyway because Stoll has tons of eligibility wise.

So, Iowa has a plan where the guy comes in with plenty of time to develop into a guy who can impact their team success. Now that he is not wrestling, Iowa still has more than enough time to recruit someone to do this with Stoll having three years of eligibility left.

So the OP is up in arms over a lack of commitment of Bradley because Iowa may be in bad shape at 285 against Purdue and Iowa State????? Not too mention it is likely that Bradley would have had his hands full with whoever the likes of Purdue and Iowa State are sending out there until 2017-18 at minimum?

Yes, I repeat, OP is out of his mind.

Dice...you still are not getting it. Iowa thought they had depth at heavyweight. Now they don't. I am not mad, these things happen. But this coming from guy who's team threw a football player out there at heavy last year to fill a spot complaining that we were going to throw an actual decent wrestler out there too quick for duals until our heavy got better. Hypocrisy, thy name is Diceman

 

[dicemen99]

Dice...you still are not getting it. Iowa thought they had depth at heavyweight. Now they don't. I am not mad, these things happen. But this coming from guy who's team threw a football player out there at heavy last year to fill a spot complaining that we were going to throw an actual decent wrestler out there too quick for duals until our heavy got better. Hypocrisy, thy name is Diceman

Yes, i am getting it. And precisely for the reason you stated. Who cares if you throw a football player out at hwt for some duals - or even nationals? If you your top guy gets hurt, Bradley would not have been able to provide quality depth this year anyway. You'll fare just as well throwing an undersized 184 or 197 out there.

 

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lol, You obviously did not get my point. The coaches have the right to make a decision based on need, skill and availability in determining how much scholarship money is offered? The Students have a right to accept that offer or not accept that....Slavery was abolished with the 13th amendment. A letter of intent is exactly what it sounds like, intent......its not a lifelong and ironclad document.

on your point that it affects Iowa in a negative way, I agree with you and understand your disappointment.

Fair enough on the latter, your point on the former is too far off to even bother.

 

[hawkaeg80]

manmythlegend1 you can not be comparing a letter of intent to the 13th Amendment. I don't know whether to scratch my head, laugh at your post, or question your intellectual honesty. No, change that...numbers 1, 2 & 3. That is absolutely one of the (not good) craziest, stupid comparisons I have read or heard in a long time. I think the last one I remember is Adrian Peterson saying that the NFL is comparable to slavery. I would love to be a "slave" making millions, and millions, and millions. I would also love to be a "slave" with the ability to sign a letter of intent with 100% my own choice and FREE will. Unbelievable.

 

[manmythlegend1]

manmythlegend1 you can not be comparing a letter of intent to the 13th Amendment. I don't know whether to scratch my head, laugh at your post, or question your intellectual honesty. No, change that...numbers 1, 2 & 3. That is absolutely one of the (not good) craziest, stupid comparisons I have read or heard in a long time. I think the last one I remember is Adrian Peterson saying that the NFL is comparable to slavery. I would love to be a "slave" making millions, and millions, and millions. I would also love to be a "slave" with the ability to sign a letter of intent with 100% my own choice and FREE will. Unbelievable.

wow, Its called SARCASM, or being FACETIOUS.....Of coarse its a stupid comparison, That was the point...lol Just wow, Ill say it more plainly..The school can't make him honor the letter of intent, he has the right to walk away and he did nothing wrong in doing so, no matter the disappointment of internet board contributors.

 

[edquinn06]

Legend & Dice. You both seem like good fans in the know. Mind giving me ur opinion on the Flo show?

Fix, Singletary, Berge, and Warner. Where do u think there going?

 

[crapman]

Nice! Someone else failed the sarcasm meter.

 

[hawkaeg80]

And just who failed the sarcasm test now?

 

[manmythlegend1]

Legend & Dice. You both seem like good fans in the know. Mind giving me ur opinion on the Flo show?

Fix, Singletary, Berge, and Warner. Where do u think there going?

I wish I was in the "Know" ...lol, but I have no connections to anyone of real importance in the sport I will give a guess though

Fix to OKstate, fairly certain but praying for a Penn State Miracle
Warner to Iowa, I have a feeling and you guys should love getting this guy...LEGIT
Berge to Nebraska
Singletary...I really have no clue