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Why did abortion protections in 7 out of 10 states pass if no one gives a shit about it outside the far left bubble?
Well...that's my point. Because they were asked a question about it. You're thinking they showed up for that issue. You think ALL of the people who voted for those protections also voted for Harris? It's obvious they didn't. If you asked them "Do you like the Color Yellow?" They would have answered yes or no. Doesn't mean they give a shit about the color yellow.

If everyone gave that much of a shit about abortion, Trump would have lost.
 
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One can only hope that if there are expecting mother's deaths in hospital parking lots that it happens to those who didn't "give two shits" rather than those who did. Unfortunately, nature isn't that selective.
You can care about the issue but have it about 5th on your list of important shit, you know? Florida showed us that.
 
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People hear and see the policies from the AOC types and their supporters. Illegals getting money, places to live etc. . and things like men competing in sports are tied to the far left which is in turn tied to Harris.

I expect these issues to get squelched over the next couple years and that helps the Democrats.

men competing in sports, an open border, & being soft on crime are really hurt Democrats - in general I think being "Woke" really hurt the Democrats
 
Well...that's my point. Because they were asked a question about it. You're thinking they showed up for that issue. You think ALL of the people who voted for those protections also voted for Harris? It's obvious they didn't. If you asked them "Do you like the Color Yellow?" They would have answered yes or no. Doesn't mean they give a shit about the color yellow.

If everyone gave that much of a shit about abortion, Trump would have lost.
I agree voters didn't necessarily align abortion protections with Democrats, but it was definitely a winning issue at 70%. It's not like only left wing Dems gave a shit.
 
I agree voters didn't necessarily align abortion protections with Democrats, but it was definitely a winning issue at 70%. It's not like only left wing Dems gave a shit.
I will concede that. However, it's an issue that has already had sides been drawn for decades. It is an issue to get the pro-choice people motivated to get out and vote. But there were plenty more who needed other things to motivate them and Harris never addressed those things. Even when flat out asked about them.
 
I will concede that. However, it's an issue that has already had sides been drawn for decades. It is an issue to get the pro-choice people motivated to get out and vote. But there were plenty more who needed other things to motivate them and Harris never addressed those things. Even when flat out asked about them.
Harris addressed other issues like inflation, housing costs, immigration, childcare, eldercare, etc., but the electorate was angry about the current state of economy so she lost because she was the nominee of incumbent party. I think it's really that simple.
 
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Harris addressed other issues like inflation, housing costs, immigration, childcare, eldercare, etc., but the electorate was angry about the current state of economy so she lost because she the nominee of incumbent party. I think it's really that simple.
You really think she ran a good campaign and was electable? Lol. She was terrible. They hid her from the media and she ran a script. She didn’t even really campaign, just gave some speeches. And she was so ill prepared that she couldn’t think of a single thing she would change in the Biden Admin. She lost the popular vote by a lot to the most unlikable, most polarizing man in the history of American politics. She was a really bad candidate.
 
This was the last election where abortion was even somewhat of an issue to people. It’s been discarded by the voters.

People that think abortion should be legal split evenly this election.

Trump pushed a national abortion ban off the party platform, and pledged to veto it.

Most people live in states that reflect how they feel about abortion legality, or they can at least live with it.

Counting on abortion rights to carry the day for Dems against a candidate who clearly stated he would not ban abortions turns out to be folly.
 
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Like I said, let's see what Trump does. The impact will be pretty quick one way or another. Republicans have to eat and put food on the table also.
The GOP is doing the chess equivalent of go big or go home. Either they succeed and the democrats are gone for decades or the gop look like morons and the people who voted for them realize they've been scammed.
Let's see next year, this time.
Nobody disappears for decades, sept Johnny Gosch.
 
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The thing is, Biden seemed like the right president at the time in 2020 because he projected a certain calm. But his senility (way too strong a word) was around even then and it manifest itself in the inmates running the east wing asylum (which always has that risk in a new admin to begin with). Layer the cultural outcomes over the economic memories others have described and a b-/c+ in foreign affairs as you note, with a pinch of abstinence about leaving, and it made for a pretty tough road for his vp.

Agreed. He also positioned himself as very moderate by comparison to his primary opponents, and projected a calm, normal, centrist alternative to the previous four years.

But it's not just the senility, he jumped in and got the ball rolling with massive spending attempts, culture war issues, going to war with Georgia about a perfectly reasonable election law, constant conflict. I think a lot of that was him being too feeble to bring various parts of his coalition to under control, but his administration simply wasn't perceived as calm, moderate and normal.
 
It’s a very good honest conversation about the messaging from the Dems.
Bruno, I honestly believe it is a little too early for the vanquished to have a “ very good honest” conversation about this gut punch they suffered Tuesday.
Not saying some of the reasons discussed are not relevant…I just believe at this time there is more “baring of the soul” being discussed as to “why did this happen?” Dens need to figure out why they didn’t get the vote out this time. Yes their messaging was the problem….that is obvious… the question is “why” was their massaging so ineffective. It starts at the top with the Dems….their leadership needs to change…. There is another test in 2 years.
 
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men competing in sports, an open border, & being soft on crime are really hurt Democrats - in general I think being "Woke" really hurt the Democrats

I have been reading a lot of the post-mortem, and I think this is generally right, but it's even more nuanced.

It's not simply that the Democratic party is viewed to support these issues, it's how they TALK about these issues. With absolutely zero tolerance for any dissent. They treat people that are experiencing fallout from these issues like they are imagining it, and also that its good. And ANY dissent is racist. bigoted, fascist, etc.

I'm less convinced they have to radically change positions, as much as learn how to talk about them, and allow for differences of opinion.

It's kind of the Joe Rogan thing...Joe Rogan is not a conservative, he's got extremely liberal views on almost everything...a Bernie supporter, Obama supporter, pro choice, pro drugs, etc etc. But for being contrarian about vaccines, a determined sacrosanct platform of the left for some reason, the left wished to destroy him. Because he has open dialogue even with people he disagrees with or have crappy opinions, Democrats can't go on his show without blowback from their base.

Musk is a liberal too.

But slip a bit, and they'll cast you out.

Meanwhile the Republicans under Trump have widened the tent incredibly...ultra holier than thou Christians, total scumbag libertines, racists, conspiracy mongers, practical economy minded people, the Amish, factory workers, Latinos, etc.

You can agree or disagree if that's a good thing, but obviously Trump has made both the Amish and brothel owners feel like they can vote for him.
 
Bruno, I honestly believe it is a little too early for the vanquished to have a “ very good honest” conversation about this gut punch they suffered Tuesday.
Not saying some of the reasons discussed are not relevant…I just believe at this time there is more “baring of the soul” being discussed as to “why did this happen?” Dens need to figure out why they didn’t get the vote out this time. Yes their messaging was the problem….that is obvious… the question is “why” was their massaging so ineffective. It starts at the top with the Dems….their leadership needs to change…. There is another test in 2 years.
About to post another video explaining the why and how the campaigns were run. Essentially the DNC ran a campaign like 2012 and the RNC went to the new media where Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z get a lot of their media. Exposure to the masses is big and no one cares about these 30 second ads or these political talking points that politicians stick too. We want to hear an actual conversation from the candidate.
 
About to post another video explaining the why and how the campaigns were run. Essentially the DNC ran a campaign like 2012 and the RNC went to the new media where Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z get a lot of their media. Exposure to the masses is big and no one cares about these 30 second ads or these political talking points that politicians stick too. We want to hear an actual conversation from the candidate.
You should probably be packing your bags.
 
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Wow!!! Finally an honest Democratic strategist speaks out.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏 What she said is so true everybody knows it. Except Tom Paris he puts a laugh down for a like. Dude you are one radical SOB. I hope you have sleepless nights forever.😂😂😂😂😂 You got what you deserved. Now, for this lady to speak the truth this poor thing might get fired for not lying because that’s what the crooked media does. Lie lie lie.
 
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You really think she ran a good campaign and was electable? Lol. She was terrible. They hid her from the media and she ran a script. She didn’t even really campaign, just gave some speeches. And she was so ill prepared that she couldn’t think of a single thing she would change in the Biden Admin. She lost the popular vote by a lot to the most unlikable, most polarizing man in the history of American politics. She was a really bad candidate.
She ran a better campaign than her opponent. Wiped the floor with him in the debate. She was far from terrible unless you already had a bias against her.
 
Just watched this video for a second time absolutely wonderful. If you haven’t taken the time to listen to her, you must do so hopefully she doesn’t lose her job but if she does, I’m sure Fox would take her on. Maybe replace Jessica and put this Julie girl on the five.
 
I agree. And it doesn't matter if most aren't for those things. The perception is all that matters.
As a liberal I have issues with all of these things. That’s what’s so frustrating. To me (and I’d assume most liberals), it should be easy to say biological males have no business in female sports, to punish criminals appropriately and to at least attempt to protect the border sooner than 3+ years into the administration. They just lose so much support on some of these seemingly “common sense” issues. Hoping they come to some sort of epiphany on these things and change their messaging as they lose so much support with some of these stances.
 
And not just that, even in Florida, where it lost, it had 58% support, it just didn’t get to the 60% supermajority level needed.
And I think it lost in Nebraska due to the confusion over competing initiatives. To pass it they had to vote no one 434 and yes on 439.
 
She ran a better campaign than her opponent. Wiped the floor with him in the debate. She was far from terrible unless you already had a bias against her.

She was a terrible candidate, but she did not run a terrible campaign at all. Considering her limitations, she did very well. She was just never someone that was going to come off good in a ton of unscripted conversations. She didn't shine on 60 minutes or Fox News, but she didn't implode either.

She did as well as could be expected, there's no specific campaign thing she could have done differently or better, but everything was baked in.

Her performance in the battleground states was far better than in non-competitive states, which I think shows that where people were exposed to her campaign, she came out better.
 
Harris addressed other issues like inflation, housing costs, immigration, childcare, eldercare, etc., but the electorate was angry about the current state of economy so she lost because she the nominee of incumbent party. I think it's really that simple.

She may have addressed them but I don't think she focused on them enough. Hell I could tell you more about Biden's platform in 2020 then I could have about Kamala's.

I think she focused on the following things to much. Abortion (winning issue for her but clearly wasn't the most important issue to a large chunk of voters), Trump being bad (for whatever reason this just doesn't resonate with voters), the border (losing issue), and I'm probably going to get killed for this, but she spent to much time trying to appear as a moderate (I think people would rather have heard her focus on how she was going to fix some of the issues you listed rather than her promising to sing Kumbaya with the RNC).

It may not have mattered given people's frustration with Biden but just some mistakes I think she made.
 
I agreed there were a lot of left positions being discussed. But they largely came from the right.

Open borders, crime/ defund the police, inflation, incoherent foreign policy, boys playing girls sports Of course, the left didn’t want to discuss them. They were losing positions. The Republicans capitalized. The Dems will have a battle moving away from the AOC, Tlaib, Soros wing of the party. If they don’t, I expect to be feeling more joy in 28.
 
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People hear and see the policies from the AOC types and their supporters. Illegals getting money, places to live etc. . and things like men competing in sports are tied to the far left which is in turn tied to Harris.

I expect these issues to get squelched over the next couple years and that helps the Democrats.
This election was basically a death blow to illegal immigration and DEI.
 
She was a terrible candidate, but she did not run a terrible campaign at all. Considering her limitations, she did very well. She was just never someone that was going to come off good in a ton of unscripted conversations. She didn't shine on 60 minutes or Fox News, but she didn't implode either.

She did as well as could be expected, there's no specific campaign thing she could have done differently or better, but everything was baked in.

Her performance in the battleground states was far better than in non-competitive states, which I think shows that where people were exposed to her campaign, she came out better.
She was a product of the lefts identity politics agenda. She is a result of the left gaslighting about Bidens mental capacity for years. She is everything that is wrong with the left. When the best campaign strategy is to hide your candidate from the public, that is a pretty sad state.
 
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Harris addressed other issues like inflation, housing costs, immigration, childcare, eldercare, etc., but the electorate was angry about the current state of economy so she lost because she was the nominee of incumbent party. I think it's really that simple.
Ok, let's start with the premise that inflation/the economy were the most important issues to people in this election.

What specifically did Harris say about inflation in terms of policy that demonstrated that she understood why we had inflation in the first place & what her specific policy ideas were that would bring down inflation.
 
She was a product of the lefts identity politics agenda. She is a result of the left gaslighting about Bidens mental capacity for years. She is everything that is wrong with the left. When the best campaign strategy is to hide your candidate from the public, that is a pretty sad state.
Correct. Even including her nomination. There was a reason she finished at the bottom in the Democratic primaries, then all of a sudden, we're supposed to think she's the Messiah?
 
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Ok, let's start with the premise that inflation/the economy were the most important issues to people in this election.

What specifically did Harris say about inflation in terms of policy that demonstrated that she understood why we had inflation in the first place & what her specific policy ideas were that would bring down inflation.
I'm on my way to a funeral now, I'll answer when I get back. I'd ask you to tell me what specific plans did Trump lay out to tackle inflation.
 
Well...that's my point. Because they were asked a question about it. You're thinking they showed up for that issue. You think ALL of the people who voted for those protections also voted for Harris? It's obvious they didn't. If you asked them "Do you like the Color Yellow?" They would have answered yes or no. Doesn't mean they give a shit about the color yellow.

If everyone gave that much of a shit about abortion, Trump would have lost.
It's a state issue now for most people.

State elections will be effected much more than federal.
 
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