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Congress approves bill barring presidents from unilaterally exiting NATO

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Congress this week approved a measure aimed at preventing any U.S. president from unilaterally withdrawing the United States from NATO without congressional approval. Passage came amid long-standing concerns that Donald Trump may try to exit the alliance if he returns to office.

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The provision was included in the National Defense Authorization Act, an annual bill detailing defense policy, which was passed by the House on Thursday and is awaiting the signature of President Biden.

Under the measure, advocated by Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), the president would be prohibited from withdrawing from NATO without the approval of two-thirds of the Senate or separate legislation passed by Congress.

Kaine and Rubio had tried to advance similar measures since 2021. Passage of the defense policy bill this week marked the first time the House had embraced the tactic.


The Republican-led House Armed Services Committee did not respond to questions about why the chamber accepted the provision. The office of Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) declined to comment.
Trump says he threatened not to defend NATO against Russia
The bipartisan attempt to add checks and balances highlights the lengths Congress is willing to go to protect the U.S.-NATO relationship amid ongoing Russian aggression and following years of criticism of the military alliance during Trump’s presidential tenure.
President Biden has sought to reassert the leadership role of the United States in global diplomacy, helping galvanize NATO member countries in support of Ukraine following Russia’s invasion and encouraging efforts to expand the alliance to include Finland and Sweden.

During his presidency, Trump frequently lambasted the alliance, accusing its members of being “delinquents” and questioning the wisdom of NATO’s collective defense clause.


Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, which formed the legal basis for NATO, states that an armed attack on one member of the alliance will be viewed as an attack on all of them, and that they will defend one other.

In 2018, Trump publicly mused about why the United States might come to the aid of NATO member Montenegro, saying that sending troops from the alliance to defend an “aggressive” ally could result in World War III.
Former Trump aides, including former national security adviser John Bolton, have said they feared at times that Trump could pull the United States out of the alliance. But Trump and his allies argue that his tough approach to NATO pushed member states to boost their defense spending obligations and strengthened the alliance.

Kaine, in a statement, said that the provision in the defense policy bill affirmed “U.S. support for this crucial alliance” and sent “a strong message to authoritarians around the world that the free world remains united.”


Rubio said in a statement: “The Senate should maintain oversight on whether or not our nation withdraws from NATO. We must ensure we are protecting our national interests and protecting the security of our democratic allies.”
While the defense policy bill is set to be signed into law by Biden, it’s unclear how exactly a scenario might play out in which the president and Congress are at odds over NATO membership.
Michael E. O’Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, pointed out that there is precedent for presidents withdrawing unilaterally from treaties without consulting Congress. A chief executive conceivably could push back on efforts to restrict that — particularly if the treaty addresses the United States’ defense posture abroad.

A “future president might challenge such an effort and invoke the president’s authorities as commander in chief under Article 2 of the Constitution,” O’Hanlon said in an email. “It would, I think, be uncharted territory if this issue were forced to a confrontation.”


A Kaine aide said that while the Constitution is clear about the process to enter a treaty — including ratification by the Senate — it is silent on withdrawal. The provision offered by Kaine and Rubio was an attempt to offer specific guidance about the process, said the aide, who was not authorized to speak publicly on the legislation and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
If a president violates the law, Congress can seek recourse in the courts, the aide said.
 
This is a good thing and while it doesn't make up for the dozens and dozens of terrible things Marco has ignored, it should certainly be noted that he was involved in this.
 
I'm curious if this is legal or constitutionally necessary. I always assumed NATO fell under:

The United States Constitution provides that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur" (Article II, section 2).
 
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1. This shows how worried the establishment is about trump winning in 2024

2. Scotus would obliterate this if Trump wins and challenges it.
 
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The establishment obstructed trump from doing his job during his first term, not surprising that they'd preemptively try and do it again.
This is certainly something. Obstructed him from doing his job??? I think there were those who tried to have some safeguards in place to keep him from ****ing things up. Read and listen to all of those who were in the administration and a similar theme is presented… Trump had no clue and was dangerous. I’m still trying to figure out why so many conservatives are drawn to a guy who was born into money, lived his entire life off that money in the city, has had a string of failed businesses and bankruptcies, several marriages and is a known philanderer who paid a porn star off, a guy who makes fun of military and other conservative leaders, a guy who didn’t listen to hi military leaders, who cozied up to the bad guys, etc, etc, etc. outside of naming SCOTUS nominees and taxes… he was a disaster on all fronts. Someone make sense of this for me.
 
The establishment obstructed trump from doing his job during his first term, not surprising that they'd preemptively try and do it again.
Obstructed from doing his job? He was not elected dictator of a branch more equal than Congress and SCOTUS. Will you say he's obstructed from doing his job again if he wins office of POTUS again in 2024 but doesn't win enough seats in Congress to pass an enabling act making him dictator?
 
The establishment obstructed trump from doing his job during his first term, not surprising that they'd preemptively try and do it again.
Thank you for admitting that Lying Donnie Sexual Abuser did not do his job during his term. We all saw it... glad you finally are on board. What a weak president he was, if "the establishment", whoever that is, could stop the president from doing his job. Sounds like an excuse for his obvious ineptitude, but hey, at least now you are admitting it. Good job scruffy!
 
This is certainly something. Obstructed him from doing his job??? I think there were those who tried to have some safeguards in place to keep him from ****ing things up. Read and listen to all of those who were in the administration and a similar theme is presented… Trump had no clue and was dangerous. I’m still trying to figure out why so many conservatives are drawn to a guy who was born into money, lived his entire life off that money in the city, has had a string of failed businesses and bankruptcies, several marriages and is a known philanderer who paid a porn star off, a guy who makes fun of military and other conservative leaders, a guy who didn’t listen to hi military leaders, who cozied up to the bad guys, etc, etc, etc. outside of naming SCOTUS nominees and taxes… he was a disaster on all fronts. Someone make sense of this for me.

Because Orange Jesus being president is the ultimate owning of the libs.
 
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Obstructed from doing his job? He was not elected dictator of a branch more equal than Congress and SCOTUS. Will you say he's obstructed from doing his job again if he wins office of POTUS again in 2024 but doesn't win enough seats in Congress to pass an enabling act making him dictator?
We had people bragging about misleading him about our troop levels in Syria, and thwarting his efforts to end our invasion and partition of that country.

“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there,” Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is “a lot more than” the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.


The execution of foreign policy is largely the purview of the President.

If you want to read an examination of the issue sans Trump, this is a good write up from 20 years ago, when Bush 'un-signed' a Treaty Clinton had signed, but the Senate rejected. It covers several aspects of the subject.

Around page 12-13 starts to get into it: https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5206&context=uclrev
 
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Because Orange Jesus being president is the ultimate owning of the libs.
Do you think Hillary would have initiated our withdrawal from Afghanistan?
We'd still be pouring billions of dollars into that shit hole, with lasting success 'just around the corner'.

If my choice is Moar War, or Trump, I'll be happy to see what invasion Trump will end next.

The Establishment has to ensure Americans can choose only between a Democrat who wants Moar War, or a Republican who wants Moar War, because if they have the choice of a candidate who rejects the wars, they'll lose.
 
Do you think Hillary would have initiated our withdrawal from Afghanistan?
We'd still be pouring billions of dollars into that shit hole, with lasting success 'just around the corner'.

If my choice is Moar War, or Trump, I'll be happy to see what invasion Trump will end next.

The Establishment has to ensure Americans can choose only between a Democrat who wants Moar War, or a Republican who wants Moar War, because if they have the choice of a candidate who rejects the wars, they'll lose.
lol, you’re a nut dude. Fvcking Maga dipshits….
 
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The establishment obstructed trump from doing his job during his first term, not surprising that they'd preemptively try and do it again.
Trump obstructed Trump from during his job. The establishment tried to mitigate damages he might cause from ignorance. Such as taking out Assad or cutting off aid to foreign leaders if they didn’t give him something personal in return. Pushing infective therapeutics.
 
Trump obstructed Trump from during his job. The establishment tried to mitigate damages he might cause from ignorance. Such as taking out Assad or cutting off aid to foreign leaders if they didn’t give him something personal in return. Pushing infective therapeutics.
Ineffective therapeutics? Trump pushed the covid "vaccines" pretty hard as I recall so maybe you're right..
 
Hillary along with basically every other plausible candidate for Pres would not have withdrawn from Afghanistan. This is Trump's greatest accomplishment as far as I'm concerned. Credit to Trump for starting it and credit to Biden for following through on was was an inevitable political disaster for whoever was sitting in the chair when it was time to bounce. Biden's paying the political price for it but someone had to do it and turns out we had back to back guys who were ready to look like war losers.

I do not think for a second that Trump is some kind of dove or skillful diplomat. Sinking the nuke agreement with Iran and the strike against Khomeini is more than enough proof to me Trump absolutely would have pushed forward with a new war if he thought he had popular support. As voters, we do not have any great viable choices for peace/diplomacy first candidates for POTUS when it comes to unwinding all the blowback we're seeing from our heavy handed global foreign policy since WWII. And most of Congress can't afford to have a concscience about this kind of thing.
 
Trump obstructed Trump from during his job. The establishment tried to mitigate damages he might cause from ignorance. Such as taking out Assad or cutting off aid to foreign leaders if they didn’t give him something personal in return. Pushing infective therapeutics.
Bernie Sanders challenged her insistence on bringing about a political transition in Syria, accusing her of being too eager to seek regime change.

Sanders said, "It is not Assad who is attacking the United States. It is ISIS. And ISIS is attacking France and attacking Russian airliners."

Calling it a "false choice," Clinton explained why she believes the U.S. must simultaneously seek to defeat ISIS and forge a political future for Syria, post-Assad.
 
Bernie Sanders challenged her insistence on bringing about a political transition in Syria, accusing her of being too eager to seek regime change.

Sanders said, "It is not Assad who is attacking the United States. It is ISIS. And ISIS is attacking France and attacking Russian airliners."

Calling it a "false choice," Clinton explained why she believes the U.S. must simultaneously seek to defeat ISIS and forge a political future for Syria, post-Assad.
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Ineffective therapeutics? Trump pushed the covid "vaccines" pretty hard as I recall so maybe you're right..
Swallowing bleach, lights inside your body, horse tranquilizers, wait until it gets real cold, wait until it gets real hot, yep that's one fine list of remedies... 😅
 
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Bernie Sanders challenged her insistence on bringing about a political transition in Syria, accusing her of being too eager to seek regime change.

Sanders said, "It is not Assad who is attacking the United States. It is ISIS. And ISIS is attacking France and attacking Russian airliners."

Calling it a "false choice," Clinton explained why she believes the U.S. must simultaneously seek to defeat ISIS and forge a political future for Syria, post-Assad.
Trump called up Mattis after the chemical weapons fiasco. Evidently Ivana was really upset. And Trump promised her fire and fury. Ordered Mattis to assassinate Assad. Mattis got off the phone after his tirade and told his staff we won’t be doing that.
 
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We had people bragging about misleading him about our troop levels in Syria, and thwarting his efforts to end our invasion and partition of that country.

“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there,” Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is “a lot more than” the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.

The execution of foreign policy is largely the purview of the President.

If you want to read an examination of the issue sans Trump, this is a good write up from 20 years ago, when Bush 'un-signed' a Treaty Clinton had signed, but the Senate rejected. It covers several aspects of the subject.

Around page 12-13 starts to get into it: https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5206&context=uclrev
You could have misled Lying Donnie Sexual Abuser just by waving a Big Mac in front of his face. Or Stormy Daniels...
 
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Cheetolini wants war in Mexico

That wouldn’t be good. The Cartels don’t operate as a normal military. They would go after soft targets in response. Let’s escalate the war on drugs. It’s been successful so far.
 
Killing foreign leaders was thing Hillary liked to do.


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We came. We saw. He died. ::giggle::
Trump preferred to give intel to foreign leaders so they could remove their critics. Nobody is clean when u get up that high.
 
Trump preferred to give intel to foreign leaders so they could remove their critics. Nobody is clean when u get up that high.
Yeah, but one guy is trying to end our foreign invasions, and his opponents keep trying to expand them.

The problem for the Establishment is that the wars they want to keep us in aren't popular with the people, so they have to make sure that isn't a choice that people have between the Democrats and the Republicans.
 
That wouldn’t be good. The Cartels don’t operate as a normal military. They would go after soft targets in response. Let’s escalate the war on drugs. It’s been successful so far.
Leaving aside that deploying the US military in northern mexico would kinda be, you know, an act of war vs mexico.
 
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Leaving aside that deploying the US military in northern mexico would kinda be, you know, an act of war vs mexico.
By that logic, exactly how many countries have we committed an 'act of war' against in the last 20 years?

I've followed current events pretty closely the last 35 years, and I wouldn't stake my life on being able to answer that question accurately.
 
The establishment obstructed trump from doing his job during his first term, not surprising that they'd preemptively try and do it again.
You do remember this is the same guy wondering if we all could simply drink or inject bleach into our bodies to kill Covid?

There is much that needs to be child-proofed for him before the end of 2024. Hopefully it’s a jail cell.
 
Yeah, but one guy is trying to end our foreign invasions, and his opponents keep trying to expand them.

The problem for the Establishment is that the wars they want to keep us in aren't popular with the people, so they have to make sure that isn't a choice that people have between the Democrats and the Republicans.
No he’s not. Put American soldiers into harms way to protect Saudi Oil. Trump would have bombed North Korea if it was militarily feasible. He’s a Bully and going to look towards what he feels is an easier target. Similar to Mussolini’s invasion of Ethiopia.
 
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You do remember this is the same guy wondering if we all could simply drink or inject bleach into our bodies to kill Covid?

There is much that needs to be child-proofed for him before the end of 2024. Hopefully it’s a jail cell.
First off I certainly wouldn't say trump did a great job handling the pandemic. Second, I'd also suggest that the establishment helped cause the pandemic by illegally funding gain of function research across the globe. Whether it was released intentionally or not gets into tin foil hat territory.
 
No he’s not. Put American soldiers into harms way to protect Saudi Oil.
Why are we bringing up Bush the Elder?

Trump would have bombed North Korea if it was militarily feasible. He’s a Bully and going to look towards what he feels is an easier target. Similar to Mussolini’s invasion of Ethiopia.
And yet as president he started no new wars.
Some people view that as a positive compared to his predecessors.
 
Why are we bringing up Bush the Elder?


And yet as president he started no new wars.
Some people view that as a positive compared to his predecessors.
We moved US Troops into Saudi Arabia under Trump. To protect Oil Pipelines. Evidently there had been some drone bombing sabotage. It was all related to the Yemen /Saudi wars. It has dug us further into Middle East conflicts. Trump also ordered the killing of an Iranian military leader. Which will eventually blowback as well with one of their proxies.
 
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By that logic, exactly how many countries have we committed an 'act of war' against in the last 20 years?

I've followed current events pretty closely the last 35 years, and I wouldn't stake my life on being able to answer that question accurately.

Unilaterally? Not in cooperation. With the local government or neighboring countries? That number is a lot lower than you’d think.
 
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