Conservative Member of Parliament goes there…

[noleclone2]

…Trump needs to be considered as a possible Russian Asset


A Conservative MP has warned the UK should “consider the possibility that President Trump is a Russian asset”.
Graham Stuart, a former Foreign Office minister, posted the remark on X, formerly Twitter, after the US President halted military aid to Ukraine.
Overnight, the White House suspended delivery of ammunition and other equipment to Kyiv after announcing that it is “reviewing” assistance to “ensure it is contributing to a solution”.

https://www.cityam.com/tory-mp-warns-uk-should-consider-possibility-trump-is-a-russian-asset/

I imagine we will begin to hear a ton of our allies start voicing the obvious out loud now. It is really hard to believe we are here and still a huge chunk of our own citizens can’t see the obvious when they no longer even try to hide it.

Up next, our allies will begin releasing the kompromat Putin has that they have, anonymously of course.

 

[seminole97]

The conspiracy theory requires us to have such incomprehensible incompetence in counter-intelligence that it beggars belief.

With all of the spy tools available to our intelligence agencies since before he took office they have checked out Trump and his associates.

Should we amend the conspiracy to consider that the counter-intelligence agents investigating him are in on it too? I mean, why not?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

The conspiracy theory requires us to have such incomprehensible incompetence in counter-intelligence that it beggars belief.

With all of the spy tools available to our intelligence agencies since before he took office they have checked out Trump and his associates.

Should we amend the conspiracy to consider that the counter-intelligence agents investigating him are in on it too? I mean, why not?

How quick was our resident Russian bot to chime in.

Sure thing, comrade.

 

[stillh8unlv]

The conspiracy theory denial requires us to have such incomprehensible incompetence in counter-intelligence our own eyes that it beggars belief.

Fixed it for you

 

[Hawki97]

I’ll give @seminole97 one thing, he’s an OG russia lover. All these newbie Russimerican repubbers jumping on the Putin love train have a lot of catching up to do.

As a fellow 97, that means we are family and like brothers. As such, my information is indisputable.

 

[seminole97]

How quick was our resident Russian bot to chime in.

Sure thing, comrade.

JFC, et tu, Ragnar?

Do you know what the 'two hop rule' is in relation to a FISA warrant?

 

[luvmyhawks]

…Trump needs to be considered as a possible Russian Asset


A Conservative MP has warned the UK should “consider the possibility that President Trump is a Russian asset”.
Graham Stuart, a former Foreign Office minister, posted the remark on X, formerly Twitter, after the US President halted military aid to Ukraine.
Overnight, the White House suspended delivery of ammunition and other equipment to Kyiv after announcing that it is “reviewing” assistance to “ensure it is contributing to a solution”.

https://www.cityam.com/tory-mp-warns-uk-should-consider-possibility-trump-is-a-russian-asset/

I imagine we will begin to hear a ton of our allies start voicing the obvious out loud now. It is really hard to believe we are here and still a huge chunk of our own citizens can’t see the obvious when they no longer even try to hide it.

Up next, our allies will begin releasing the kompromat Putin has that they have, anonymously of course.

At least someone has the balls to call out the Russian stooge. Lord knows our weak ass congress wont do it.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

JFC, et tu, Ragnar?

Do you know what the 'two hop rule' is in relation to a FISA warrant?

What does that have to do with the OP? This is a member of the UK Parliament announcing his suspicion.

And, no, I would have to look it up. Again, what does a FISA warrant have to do with the perception of Trump around the world? Is this your way of obfuscating?

 

[ThorneStockton]

Can Trump be a Russian asset without the traditional coercion (blackmail/bribery/etc.) that's present in the traditional understanding of these spycraft/intelligence operations?

Meaning Trump's just a mutual participant, based on shared views, admiration, alignment, goals? Trump is a Russian asset in the sense that he provides great value to Russia, but not in the sense that Russia has their "hooks" in him?

I suspect there is a better term for that than asset.

I find it hard to believe that the Trump camp has the competency to pull off a true handler/asset arrangement, that it could go undiscovered, and that despite Trump's ego and greed, would be that easily leveraged. He's shameless and there's barely a revelation that could bother his followers and he already has a sophisticated grift here.

 

[Dorrman]

Moscow's Man

 

[seminole97]

What does that have to do with the OP?

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance is how one finds people are who acting as agents of foreign powers.

This is a member of the UK Parliament announcing his suspicion.
And, no, I would have to look it up. Again, what does a FISA warrant have to do with the perception of Trump around the world? Is this your way of obfuscating?

Are you more interested in the perception, or the reality?
The real obfuscation is to keep making unsubstantiated charges over and over again, and ignoring the reality.

The 'two hop rule' means when the FBI gets a FISA warrant on Ragnar they not only get to comb through all of Ragnar's communications, but everyone that Ragnar communicated with (hop 1) and everyone that those people communicated with (hop 2).
Can you comprehend the number of people that would apply to once you stick that warrant on a single individual in a presidential campaign?
So dozens, more likely hundreds, of people were thoroughly spied upon to see if there was in fact any sort of connection.
And what did they turn up?
Like Strozk said, 'there's no big there there'.

We know now the Hillary campaign origins of the whole Russia smear, but people keep trying to give it legs, with no evidence.

 

[h-hawk]

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Can Trump be a Russian asset without the traditional coercion (blackmail/bribery/etc.) that's present in the traditional understanding of these spycraft/intelligence operations?

Meaning Trump's just a mutual participant, based on shared views, admiration, alignment, goals? Trump is a Russian asset in the sense that he provides great value to Russia, but not in the sense that Russia has their "hooks" in him?

I suspect there is a better term for that than asset.

I find it hard to believe that the Trump camp has the competency to pull off a true handler/asset arrangement, that it could go undiscovered, and that despite Trump's ego and greed, would be that easily leveraged. He's shameless and there's barely a revelation that could bother his followers and he already has a sophisticated grift here.

This is my view. Trump likes Putin and wants to be like him. So do most "conservatives" these days.

 

[jneffer]

Can Trump be a Russian asset without the traditional coercion (blackmail/bribery/etc.) that's present in the traditional understanding of these spycraft/intelligence operations?

Meaning Trump's just a mutual participant, based on shared views, admiration, alignment, goals? Trump is a Russian asset in the sense that he provides great value to Russia, but not in the sense that Russia has their "hooks" in him?

I suspect there is a better term for that than asset.

I find it hard to believe that the Trump camp has the competency to pull off a true handler/asset arrangement, that it could go undiscovered, and that despite Trump's ego and greed, would be that easily leveraged. He's shameless and there's barely a revelation that could bother his followers and he already has a sophisticated grift here.

no spy or agent in their right mind would do anything that places any kind of trust in trump's ability to keep something quiet or secret

this isn't complicated - and it isn't limited to russia

trump has repeatedly complimented strong man dictators (kim, duarte, putin) or openly "speculated" (in that trumpian way of rambling) about having dictators' powers

he identifies with and supports a country invading its neighbors simply because they can more than he values the importance of allies or partnerships or sovereignty

power and leverage - that's it

 

[Slappy Pappy]

Trump met Putin without staff or note takers present — again

Trump reportedly keeps finding a way to meet the Russian leader privately.

www.vox.com

US President meeting with enemy Dictator multiple (at least 5) times without any other US officials or translator present. No notes taken. Perfectly normal.

 

[ThorneStockton]

no spy or agent in their right mind would do anything that places any kind of trust in trump's ability to keep something quiet or secret

this isn't complicated - and it isn't limited to russia

trump has repeatedly complimented strong man dictators (kim, duarte, putin) or openly "speculated" (in that trumpian way of rambling) about having dictators' powers

he identifies with and supports a country invading its neighbors simply because they can more than he values the importance of allies or partnerships or sovereignty

power and leverage - that's it

This is generally how I would view it. Trump is extremely valuable to Russia - which is something as asset has - but 'asset' also implies ownership, which is just not evident or seemingly all that plausible.

 

[dgordo]

i dont believe trump is a russian asset. he is simply an admirer of putin. putin is everything trump wants to be, the richest man on earth, president for life, a bunch of young girlfriends, etc.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Two hundred years of friendship with Britain down the drain just because MAGAts have a crush on Putin. Great job republicans.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance is how one finds people are who acting as agents of foreign powers.

Okay. Are you saying a member of the UK parliament is trying to work through an FISC judge to gain surveillance of Donald Trump? Surely, you aren’t serious, right?

Are you more interested in the perception, or the reality?
The real obfuscation is to keep making unsubstantiated charges over and over again, and ignoring the reality.

Yes, perception does matter. Since when does “reality” ever hold more sway in politics than perception? In truth, this true of the law as well. It’s never about what is true; it’s always about what you can prove as a perceptive truth.

Regardless, the premise of your argument is faulty for four reasons:

1. 2016 means nothing as it relates to what’s true today.

2. The Mueller Report did not exonerate Trump. Far from it. In truth, it outlined plenty of wrongdoing and suspicious behavior (so much so that it led to many indictments and guilty pleas). Mueller’s entire point was there is no legal definition of “collusion,” and therefore it would be impossible to prosecute Donald Trump for it.

In short, only Team Trump viewed it as “total exoneration.”

3. You’re stating, and as I have submitted to you falsely in doing so, that because Trump was found “innocent’ in 2016 that that somehow means he couldn’t possibly be involved in anything shady with Putin and Russia today. Ostensibly, what you are saying is: “Well, there was circumstantial evidence of rape in 2016, so the rapist was acquitted. Because he was acquitted in 2016, that means he never committed rape in the future.” Absolutely ridiculous.

4. If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck…guess what? It’s a duck. Of all the inane, obfuscating posts you have made on this topic, not one has come close to addressing let alone explaining away Donald Trump’s behavior that the entire world can see in real time.

So, explain why what the whole ****ing world is seeing in real time is not evidence of Donald Trump being Putin’s bottom bitch, or kindly STFU up about FISA, the Mueller Report, and other nonsensical irrelevancies to the issue at hand.

Poop or get off the pot.

 

[seminole97]

Two hundred years of friendship with Britain down the drain just because MAGAts have a crush on Putin. Great job republicans.

Without us, who will save them in WW3?

 

[BioHawk]

The conspiracy theory requires us to have such incomprehensible incompetence in counter-intelligence that it beggars belief.

With all of the spy tools available to our intelligence agencies since before he took office they have checked out Trump and his associates.

Should we amend the conspiracy to consider that the counter-intelligence agents investigating him are in on it too? I mean, why not?

Well, for not being a Russian asset he sure acts a lot like a Russian asset. I mean, if he were a Russian asset with the mission to bring down the United States you would do this by attacking all of the institutions that have made this country strong. Like education, support from foreign countries, support for the disadvantaged, free press and flow of ideas, supporting NATO, containing Russian aggression, and a strong, growing economy with robust trade with other nations.

 

[tumorboy]

i dont believe trump is a russian asset. he is simply an admirer of putin. putin is everything trump wants to be, the richest man on earth, president for life, a bunch of young girlfriends, etc.

Putin is similar to Musk. In Trump’s eyes

 

[seminole97]

Okay. Are you saying a member of the UK parliament is trying to work through an FISC judge to gain surveillance of Donald Trump? Surely, you aren’t serious, right?

No, I'm saying that already happened and didn't find that he was the agent of a foreign power.
Now, you can then assume that our counter-intelligence is grossly incompetent, but it's not like this stuff hasn't actually already been investigated as far as possible by people who desperately wanted to find something.

Ostensibly, what you are saying is: “Well, there was circumstantial evidence of rape in 2016, so the rapist was acquitted. Because he was acquitted in 2016, that means he never committed rape in the future.” Absolutely ridiculous.

More like, "Political opponents loudly accused Trump of serving a foreign power in 2016, but our counter-intelligence agencies, using all of their broad surveillance tools, didn't find evidence of that. But because his political opponents keep saying it, that means it must be true."

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

No, I'm saying that already happened and didn't find that he was the agent of a foreign power.
Now, you can then assume that our counter-intelligence is grossly incompetent, but it's not like this stuff hasn't actually already been investigated as far as possible by people who desperately wanted to find something.



More like, "Political opponents loudly accused Trump of serving a foreign power in 2016, but our counter-intelligence agencies, using all of their broad surveillance tools, didn't find evidence of that. But because his political opponents keep saying it, that means it must be true."

Absolutely ridiculous.

So, you’re going to continue to double down on the irrelevancies and address absolutely nothing relevant to 2025.

Exactly what I thought.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

The reason why seems pretty obvious to me:

Eric Trump in 2014: ‘We have all the funding we need out of Russia’

President Trump’s son, Eric, once told a golf writer that funding for Trump golf courses come from Russia, that writer recounted in a new interview.James Dodson during an interview Friday&nbsp…

thehill.com

How Russian Money Helped Save Trump’s Business

After his financial disasters two decades ago, no U.S. bank would touch him. Then foreign money began flowing in.

foreignpolicy.com

Trump's oldest son said a decade ago that a lot of the family's assets came from Russia

A decade-old quote from Donald Trump Jr. resurfaced in a New York Times column over the weekend.

www.businessinsider.com

Chapter 1 - The Moscow Project

Donald Trump may not have any business in Russia, but Russia certainly has business in Donald Trump.

themoscowproject.org

Eric Trump Bragged About The Family’s Russian Money Connection To Finance Golf Courses

Trump borrowed a fortune to buy 10 golf courses since 2010.

thesternfacts.com

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Notice how they are always a "former"?


The world elites are panicking.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

Why did Trump request the identities of all our spies in Russia, Iran, and China, and why did they all get caught and killed after he met privately with Putin?

August 8, 2019:

Trump's White House issues an ominous request for a list of top U.S. spies

The request is coming at a time when Donald Trump is looking to install a loyalist as his new intelligence chief.

www.salon.com

Oct. 2021:

CIA sounds alarm over capture, killing of dozens of informants: report

The CIA has called on its frontline spies to step up their operational security around the world after dozens of informants have been arrested, killed or otherwise compromised in recent years.

nypost.com

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

Why did Trump request the identities of all our spies in Russia, Iran, and China, and why did they all get caught and killed after he met privately with Putin?

August 8, 2019:

Trump's White House issues an ominous request for a list of top U.S. spies

The request is coming at a time when Donald Trump is looking to install a loyalist as his new intelligence chief.

www.salon.com

Oct. 2021:

CIA sounds alarm over capture, killing of dozens of informants: report

The CIA has called on its frontline spies to step up their operational security around the world after dozens of informants have been arrested, killed or otherwise compromised in recent years.

nypost.com

Israel wasn't very happy with him after this incident:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

 

[seminole97]

So, you’re going to continue to double down on the irrelevancies and address absolutely nothing relevant to 2025.

Exactly what I thought.

How is 'irrelevant' to observe that our counter-intelligence agencies went through Trump and his associates with their best tools when someone makes the charge that he's working for a foreign power?
What could be more relevant to determining that?

 

[BlIIlken2]

Come on Mi6 do something

 

[VodkaSam]

A Conservative MP has warned the UK should “consider the possibility that President Trump is a Russian asset”.

 

[McLovin32]

Two hundred years of friendship with Britain down the drain just because MAGAts have a crush on Putin. Great job republicans.

This is clearly the Democrats fault.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

This is my view. Trump likes Putin and wants to be like him. So do most "conservatives" these days.

they love the oligarch system...