Conservatives wonder: Why aren’t Planned Parenthood’s poll numbers falling?

[gusto79]

Not sure why you are unable to understand this: what is 'on tapes' is not formal evidence of wrongdoing - what actually is happening in clinics, where tissue was harvested w/o consent AND procedures were altered to do so IS criminal evidence. No investigation to date has turned up anything; thus, the tapes are pure propaganda.

You (and others here) really need to understand how 'politics' works; there is ALREADY a series of 'informed consent' laws in place, protecting patients' rights regarding tissue harvesting, etc.

This 'law' was an irrelevant propaganda piece, too, put into the books so that all the conservative Republicans could put a 'gold star' by it and show their base how important this issue is to them: despite it already being completely covered by other, broader legislation. These 'laws' are worded very carefully so as to not contradict the actual, functional laws, but to just whip up the base, for exactly these kinds of political theater. And guess what? It WORKS!!! The simple-minded zealots flock to this stuff like flies to shit!

And it allows those same Congressmen to continue to ignore the REAL issues they need to be taking on, which really DO have a direct impact on YOU and your taxes. But by continually throwing out this type of fodder, they dupe you into falling in line behind them and their fake talking points - it means you and all the others whipped up into a frenzy by this stuff won't hold them accountable for doing their REAL jobs: energy policy, fixing 'entitlement' spend, Social Security, infrastructure funding, laying R&D foundations for future growth, education. No, we cannot have conversation on those more mundane, but far more relevant issues, because people are too busy trying to 'defund' Planned Parenthood.

I would MUCH rather be forcing my Congresspersons to be REQUIRED to have one of the ACA health plans, rather than their 'platinum' plans, and make them pay out of pocket for all the perks they get on my dollar. But that won't happen so long as they can dupe people like yourself into fake drama.

Way to be a condescending prick. I'm not whipped into any frenzy over this. I just happen to read the law differently then you do. I don't think it is some huge deal and definitely don't think PP should be defunded. I would just like to see a legal analysis of this particular part of the law.

 

[Joes Place]

Absolutely wrong.

The consent is required for the use of fetal tissue for medical reseach. The following prohibition "no alteration of the timing, method, or procedures used to terminate the pregnancy was made solely for the purposes of obtaining the tissue" applies regardless of consent. It is flatly prohibited.

Baloney.

If a woman wants to donate her fetal tissues, and is told 'we can perform a regular abortion today, but if you want to donate, we have to wait under Thursday when the physician who can perform that procedure is available', and she chooses to do that, she is absolutely within her rights to schedule when she wants to.

What is ILLEGAL, is PP 'deciding' to change the time and procedure just so THEY can harvest the tissues; but since they need the consent anyway, there's no way for them to violate that law - it resides with the donor.

It is an irrelevant, propaganda law, which is already covered by 'informed consent'.

 

[Joes Place]

Way to be a condescending prick. I'm not whipped into any frenzy over this. I just happen to read the law differently then you do. I don't think it is some huge deal and definitely don't think PP should be defunded. I would just like to see a legal analysis of this particular part of the law.

Translation: I cannot understand the difference between what's on a tape vs. actual illegal actions, so I'll just resort to namecalling here...

 

[pablow]

Not sure why you are unable to understand this: what is 'on tapes' is not formal evidence of wrongdoing - what actually is happening in clinics, where tissue was harvested w/o consent AND procedures were altered to do so IS criminal evidence. No investigation to date has turned up anything; thus, the tapes are pure propaganda.

You (and others here) really need to understand how 'politics' works; there is ALREADY a series of 'informed consent' laws in place, protecting patients' rights regarding tissue harvesting, etc.

This 'law' was an irrelevant propaganda piece, too, put into the books so that all the conservative Republicans could put a 'gold star' by it and show their base how important this issue is to them: despite it already being completely covered by other, broader legislation. These 'laws' are worded very carefully so as to not contradict the actual, functional laws, but to just whip up the base, for exactly these kinds of political theater. And guess what? It WORKS!!! The simple-minded zealots flock to this stuff like flies to shit!

And it allows those same Congressmen to continue to ignore the REAL issues they need to be taking on, which really DO have a direct impact on YOU and your taxes. But by continually throwing out this type of fodder, they dupe you into falling in line behind them and their fake talking points - it means you and all the others whipped up into a frenzy by this stuff won't hold them accountable for doing their REAL jobs: energy policy, fixing 'entitlement' spend, Social Security, infrastructure funding, laying R&D foundations for future growth, education. No, we cannot have conversation on those more mundane, but far more relevant issues, because people are too busy trying to 'defund' Planned Parenthood.

I would MUCH rather be forcing my Congresspersons to be REQUIRED to have one of the ACA health plans, rather than their 'platinum' plans, and make them pay out of pocket for all the perks they get on my dollar. But that won't happen so long as they can dupe people like yourself into fake drama.

You're jumping off the deep end by calling other people misinformed. A person can violate a law by attempting or conspiring to do so. In thses case the actual crime does not have to be committed. The words spoken on the video tapes are direct evidence of an attempt or conspracy to violate 42 U.S.C. sec. 289 (g).

 

[pablow]

Baloney.

If a woman wants to donate her fetal tissues, and is told 'we can perform a regular abortion today, but if you want to donate, we have to wait under Thursday when the physician who can perform that procedure is available', and she chooses to do that, she is absolutely within her rights to schedule when she wants to.

What is ILLEGAL, is PP 'deciding' to change the time and procedure just so THEY can harvest the tissues; but since they need the consent anyway, there's no way for them to violate that law - it resides with the donor.

It is an irrelevant, propaganda law, which is already covered by 'informed consent'.

Read the statute before posting any more misinformation. You don't know what yout talking about.

 

[gusto79]

Translation: I cannot understand the difference between what's on a tape vs. actual illegal actions, so I'll just resort to namecalling here...

I'm not saying they should be convicted by whats on the video. All I'm saying is what I saw a doctor saying on one of the videos sounded like they were violating that part of the law. You are getting way too worked up about this.

 

[Joes Place]

You're jumping off the deep end by calling other people misinformed. A person can violate a law by attempting or conspiring to do so. In thses case the actual crime does not have to be committed. The words spoken on the video tapes are direct evidence of an attempt or conspracy to violate 42 U.S.C. sec. 289 (g).

LOL....well, post back when someone is actually criminally prosecuted on this particular 'issue', because as of now, there are '0' charges.

It's propaganda, and it's attracting LOTS of flies....

 

[Chewback]

So what will conservatives learn from their latest escapades in making stuff up and flat out lying? My money is that they will redouble their efforts to lie and make stuff up.

Well, it's what they do.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I just heard a radio story today that mentioned Planned Parenthood is now above a 60% approval, more popular than either major political party. They attributed this to respondents becoming more informed about all its services and practices. Has there been a greater example of a "gotcha" attempt backfiring in modern American politics?

 

[naturalmwa]

I've always wondered how the Left wound up on the wrong side of abortion. Pretending that there is no wrong is the rendering of a human life seems so against their "save the world" mentality.

The Left could find a fetus on Mars and still call the planet devoid of life.

It is a debased mentality that doesn't fit with any of their other victim protection stances.

Truly confusing.

How can you be confused? On one side you have a fetus on the other a woman who can vote. The confusing part is you cons think the female citizen side of the equation is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Calling it a fetus does not a non baby make

 

[thewop]

Perhaps one reason why it looks like they will kick the can down the road to December for their ill advised government shutdown threat:

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) was perplexed. Two long months had passed since the Center for Medical Progress started releasing undercover videos in which current and former Planned Parenthood employees described the grim economics of fetal tissue harvesting. Since then, a long congressional recess had come and gone and Republican-run states had redoubled their efforts to defund the family planning titan. Yet in the most recent poll from Reuters/Ipsos, 54 percent of voters still favored federal funding for Planned Parenthood.

"Those numbers are news to me," said King. "I haven’t paid any attention to the polls. But am I surprised? Yes. That would explain some of the reasons why the leadership is not committing to defund."

Since King made that analysis, the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll has returned from the field, with even better news for Planned Parenthood. The full poll, to be released today, will find that the group's favorable rating is slightly up since the July release of the videos, from 45-30 percent favorable-unfavorable to 47-31 percent. Going into Tuesday's 10 a.m. congressional hearing on the group, a well-hyped showdown between the GOP and Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards, the video campaign appears not to have shifted public opinion on federal defunding.

"This is something the pro-life movement has been trying to educate people about for many years," said Mallory Quigley, spokeswoman for the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List. "I’ve seen polling that finds even some people who consider themselves pro-life don’t know that Planned Parenthood performs abortions. When you’ve got President Obama and Miss America telling the lie for you, it goes a long way. I grew up with Judy Blume books, where the last couple pages would tell you that you should go to Planned Parenthood for health services."

The sturdiness of support for Planned Parenthood stands out in a field of anti-abortion victories. For seven years, until 2015, more Americans told Gallup pollsters they were "pro-life" than "pro-choice." Activists have credited even the omnipresence of social media, and the attendant photos of babies and sonograms, for building a culture of life. It's allowed the movement to talk over the mainstream press and the dominant, progressive cultural voices. It hasn't been able to talk over the Planned Parenthood defense squad.

"When mainstream news organizations do decide to cover the videos, they’ve parroted Planned Parenthood’s talking points and added qualifying statements about the credibility of the videos," argued The Federalist's Bre Payton, in one of that conservative site's many critiques of the funding debate. "They also love to use the phrase 'highly edited' when talking about the undercover footage, which suggests to the reader there’s a slight chance the abortion provider deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Steve King had worried about that. "When this emerged, I said, 'Cut all funding and do it now,'" said King. "If we didn't do that, we'd give Planned Parenthood a whole year to spend millions of dollars on PR and lobbying. I wanted to do it like ACORN -- that vote came so quickly that I think many Democrats came to a conviction that ACORN funding was a threat to their re-election."

No such phenomenon has subsumed Planned Parenthood. Republican messaging has been impeccable -- female members at the head of the line to argue for defunding, the party fully committed to funding any "woman's health" that is not Planned Parenthood. From Carly Fiorina to Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), the party's presidential candidates have insisted that it would be the fault of Barack Obama, not the GOP, if the government temporarily shut down over the funding issue. Yet the numbers haven't moved.

"Certainly, the debate's come a long way," said Quigley. "I don’t think Romney would have touched this with a ten-foot pole. You’ve got all these celebrities coming out to defend Planned Parenthood; on the other, the pro-life movement, as you know, does not exactly have a lot of Hollywood on call."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ds-poll-numbers-falling/?tid=trending_strip_5

As with any issue, once it's political, and one side takes a position, followers of the other side will not change their mind, so there's really not a lot of ground to be gained. I went to the link and then clicked to read the reuters article, and it's not so clear cut as the headline indicates.

To me, there's clearly enough smoke to say something's not quite right. Isn't there some other womens health (including abortion) provider we can funnel tax dollars to instead of planned parenthood? Why does it have to be Planned Parenthood?

 

[jscott78]

As with any issue, once it's political, and one side takes a position, followers of the other side will not change their mind, so there's really not a lot of ground to be gained. I went to the link and then clicked to read the reuters article, and it's not so clear cut as the headline indicates.

To me, there's clearly enough smoke to say something's not quite right. Isn't there some other womens health (including abortion) provider we can funnel tax dollars to instead of planned parenthood? Why does it have to be Planned Parenthood?

The conservative will only fund women's health care if it is bible based claptrap. Just say no to sex, just say no to abortion if you do have sex and get pregnant. Just say no is super cheap, which is all they really care about in the end.

 

[thewop]

The conservative will only fund women's health care if it is bible based claptrap. Just say no to sex, just say no to abortion if you do have sex and get pregnant. Just say no is super cheap, which is all they really care about in the end.

Some sure, but not nearly all, and probably not even a majority. Despite what the media may have you believe. Opposing taxpayer dollars going to Planned Parenthood isn't an opposition to women's health, and in some cases, it's not even an opposition to abortion.

To me, selling developed bodyparts off of a viable, otherwise healthy fetus ticks my box for "wrong" when I'm judging right or wrong, moral or immoral. I don't need to be involved in the politics of it to say in my head: "That is not right."