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Could Pemsl be a Nigel(so?) Hayes level player

He could be every bit as good or better if he can knock down a jumper. As you said Pemsl is very crafty and he was only a freshman.


Cordell, along with Cook, have decent looking shots. They will both be hitting better jumpers next year. Count on it. Same with free-throw shooting. But heck that can only go up!

I am amazed that these two didn't do better from the free throw line. Actually the whole team minus Jok, Bohannon and Baer. It'll be a huge improvement in wins if we just make our free throws next season.
 
Cordell, along with Cook, have decent looking shots. They will both be hitting better jumpers next year. Count on it. Same with free-throw shooting. But heck that can only go up!

I am amazed that these two didn't do better from the free throw line. Actually the whole team minus Jok, Bohannon and Baer. It'll be a huge improvement in wins if we just make our free throws next season.


Agreed with everything except Baer shooting FTs well. He's was right the with Cook and Pemsl.
 
I hope he gets to rest his leg awhile before he starts in again. I mean- two knee surgeries and a long metal rod in his femur. He had to be in some pain this year. I just don't know how much faster he can get. Some, I hope. He's quick, not fast. I don't think anybody on this board has seen him play more than I have and he made a huge jump this year from high school, thanks to the Iowa staff's coaching. I do believe, with the talent level coming in next year, he will have to expand his game in order to expand or keep his minutes. He said in an interview last week with a local newspaper that he never expected to play as much this year as he did. I think he will work very hard on his game off-season.

Pemsl is probably a better golfer than Hayes.

I don't know about this "athletic" stuff. I struggle to define what people mean when they say it. Leaps out of the gym? Can dribble all day? Lateral Quickness? Quick first step?

Do what is skilled? Shooting? Passing? Moves around the basket?

What is Basketball IQ? Good communicator? Keeps the offense moving? Cuts off passing lanes without letting his guy get free?

It's like shot blockers. If they can play defense and it includes blocking shots they are special. But there are guys that hunt for blocks and will leave their guy free to take a step and help. And I've said before, space eaters who can deny entry passes and alter shots don't get a single mark on the Box Score, but are often better defenders.

This all confuses me and probably because Hayes and Pemsl aren't a good comparison in my opinion. Hayes is more of an inside/outside power forward type that runs hot and cold with his shots. He's very physical under the basket, or moving towards it. He is, to me, the modern Big Ten power forward. A shooter and a Hockey player.

I see Pemsl's game as going back to old school guys something like Horton, Special K, further back Dan Frost. Guys that can bang, got a big rear to back people down with, and can pump fake, take a step and mess up a defender. They would be awesome Centers if they were 7', but still very serviceable at 6'8"-6"10".

Furthermore, I don't know if Pemsl will ever get the minutes to have stats to compare to Hayes. But I could see him battling for the sixth man title with Baer. And that's where I think the value is going to be. Quality offense and skill (better passer than Hayes) coming off the bench.


Really want to point out these two messages...

East Iowa has been watching Cordell for quite some time and I agree with his post above...this is the first year for me watching Cordell's game and the same with JBo, I fell in love with both of these players skills and game and it was a testament to just how good top Iowa HS players can play the game and at what level does it translate too.

Well for JBo...one of the best PGs in all of college BB as a true frosh....that's how good.

And Dan can keep preaching all day long when it comes to Iowa BB because imo...Dan knows what he is preaching about and I am in his pulpit in his church or chapel listening to his sermon.

As Fran would say, both Cordell and JBo are incredibly cerebral players with the work ethic and attitude to improve their games....wow to that. Can't wait for PTL to see them both a year into their college play.
 
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I'd go with Cook as being the better comparison for Hayes. I think Cook can be the next Hayes.

Anyone remember Hayes freshman year at Wisky. He was a low block guy, rarely attempted an outside shot. He was a post player only. In the off-season between freshman/sophomre year he added the 15ft jump shot and 3pt shot. Once he did that, he became a completely different player. He was a tough guard for most big men because he was able to pull them away from the basket.

I think Cook will be that guy next year. He can hit the outside shot, he just needs to work on it more and become more confident. I think you will see a breakout season for Cook next year.
 
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Do you guys think Cordell can sing like that other guy from Wisconsin? If so, that's probably a better comparison than Hayes in my opinion. I just don't know if Cordell has those pipes or not?
 
Do you guys think Cordell can sing like that other guy from Wisconsin? If so, that's probably a better comparison than Hayes in my opinion. I just don't know if Cordell has those pipes or not?
We'll have to wait and see, of course, but I think Pemsl has more upside then Vitto Brown, if he can get at least 20 minutes in the rotation.
 
So Cook is Hayes and Pemsl is Niang. I am good with that!

If these two can start draining free throws and outside shots like those two, and I think they have the potential, then we will be destroying people in the very near future. Dig it!

Go Hawks!
 
So Cook is Hayes and Pemsl is Niang. I am good with that!

If these two can start draining free throws and outside shots like those two, and I think they have the potential, then we will be destroying people in the very near future. Dig it!

Go Hawks!


Well, Cook DID shoot a higher % from than Hayes from the FT line
 
One step closer to surpassing Hayes, is what I meant to say. ;) Surprised Hayes dropped that much his senior year, from his Soph & Junior seasons.


I know, over 70% soph and junior year a under 60% senior year. His and Happ's FT shooting was pretty much their Achilles heal.
 
Cordell is more mobile and athletic than Hayes. He has shown a lot of improvement and confidence in the post. With more PT and development he will only get better. And, if he can master Hayes' moves under the basket where you hook the other guy and when you go up for a shot then you stick the elbow in the guy's throat, then he will be very good.

This was Nigel Hayes in Carver as a sophomore:



Pemsl is NOT more athletic than Hayes.

Hayes developed an awesome 3-point shot as a sophomore (40%+) after not shooting a single 3-pointer as a frosh. He then altered his form after his sophomore year and his stroke completely left him both from the field and FT line. Shooting became a huge achillles heel for Hayes.

Hayes biggest assett was a defender. Ethan Happ got defensive headlines but Nigel Hayes was by far best defender on team. Guarded all 5 positions at one point or another.

Hayes is an awful comparison. Pemsl will be an excellent player but their games are completely different. Pemsl is a below the rim player with fantastic post moves that are more advanced than a typical frosh.
 
As mentioned, Hays is not even remotely close to a ferrari, maybe a camero.

Hes not that much better than Pemsl, considering one is a freshman and one a senior.

You do realize Hayes accomplished this in 4 years:

Sweet 16 every year
2 Final Fours
Conference title
Conference tourney title

Probably should've advanced to the Elite 8 the past 2 seasons. He was leader and defensive ace on last two Sweet 16 teams.

He'll be a name Big Ten fans remember for a long time.

Pemsl will be an excellent excellent player his story is still being written but your view of Hayes is shrouded.
 
Who the hell cares about his sophmore year?

Why is this being brought up?

Weird, embarrassing, irrelevant.
 
You do realize Hayes accomplished this in 4 years:

Sweet 16 every year
2 Final Fours
Conference title
Conference tourney title

Probably should've advanced to the Elite 8 the past 2 seasons. He was leader and defensive ace on last two Sweet 16 teams.

He'll be a name Big Ten fans remember for a long time.

Pemsl will be an excellent excellent player his story is still being written but your view of Hayes is shrouded.

To call someone a Ferrari they need to be a top 3 pick after one season.
 
Who the hell cares about his sophmore year?

Why is this being brought up?

Weird, embarrassing, irrelevant.

It's certainly relevant to a topic that led with "Pemsl is more mobile and athletic than Hayes." He's not more athletic as a run/jump athlete. Could become more crafty in the post. Pemsl has old man YMCA moves. That's not a bad thing. That was basically Kaminsky's game but Kaminsky is 7-feet and a shooter.

Gotta be a Top 3 pick after one season huh? So Blake Griffin, Buddy Hield, Christian Laettner, Draymond Green, Curry etc etc etc were just Volkswaggon's? Got it.
 
Badgers getting a little feisty. :D

Can not understand if they are angry because they are the #2 state, to Oregon, in terms of serial killers per capita? Or because we have Jordan Bohannon?

Not to change the subject but what's the latest news on the Robin Van Ert lawsuit? Seriously, I haven't heard anything for awhile and I'm just wondering.
 
This was Nigel Hayes in Carver as a sophomore:



Pemsl is NOT more athletic than Hayes.

Hayes developed an awesome 3-point shot as a sophomore (40%+) after not shooting a single 3-pointer as a frosh. He then altered his form after his sophomore year and his stroke completely left him both from the field and FT line. Shooting became a huge achillles heel for Hayes.

Hayes biggest assett was a defender. Ethan Happ got defensive headlines but Nigel Hayes was by far best defender on team. Guarded all 5 positions at one point or another.

Hayes is an awful comparison. Pemsl will be an excellent player but their games are completely different. Pemsl is a below the rim player with fantastic post moves that are more advanced than a typical frosh.
That's why Pemsl is more athletic in the post.
 
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