Craziest thing about the OSU/Meyer scandal...

[vacuum_cleaner]

Meyer is being punished because the abused wife said that she talked with the wives of all of the OSU coaches about the abuse--they all knew about it. Since Urban's wife knew about it, the assumption is that she would've told Urban about it at some point, and since he didn't report the abuse to the cops, he's likely being fired.

BUT if the abused wife told all the coaches' wives about the abuse, wouldn't she have told this interim coach Day's wife, too? If he knew about the abuse and didn't report it, isn't he just as guilty as Urban?

How disastrous would that be, if they fire Meyer, name Day as the head coach for the year, then it comes out that he knew about the abuse and didn't report it....so they fire him before the start of the season, too.

 

[MepoDawg#]

UM knew about prior abuse and still hired him. The connections run deep between the two.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

He’s being fired because he chose to employ a known abuser and then lied about it.

 

[BubsFinn]

Coach Day didn’t lie to the media (yet) about knowingly putting and keeping a wife beater on the staff.
Day’s job, up to this point, hasn’t been to manage the other coaches. While his position as a university employee required him to report abuse to his superiors, Meyer is his superior and presumably already knew.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Meyer is being punished because the abused wife said that she talked with the wives of all of the OSU coaches about the abuse--they all knew about it. Since Urban's wife knew about it, the assumption is that she would've told Urban about it at some point, and since he didn't report the abuse to the cops, he's likely being fired.

BUT if the abused wife told all the coaches' wives about the abuse, wouldn't she have told this interim coach Day's wife, too? If he knew about the abuse and didn't report it, isn't he just as guilty as Urban?

How disastrous would that be, if they fire Meyer, name Day as the head coach for the year, then it comes out that he knew about the abuse and didn't report it....so they fire him before the start of the season, too.

Day didn't join the staff until 2017, so he has plausible deniability. And in reality, he likely didn't know. There's a reason the coach who just joined the staff has been named the interim coach -- the school doesn't want to be in a position where it's even more awkward to get rid of any coach that knew and didn't do anything.

 

[michael.nelson311]

They should clean house...will they..not sure. The sweater vest got fired for less right???

 

[David1979]

Actually, the craziest thing about the scandal is that Meyer hired a wife beater and covered up for him and lied about what he knew.

 

[vacuum_cleaner]

Day didn't join the staff until 2017, so he has plausible deniability. And in reality, he likely didn't know. There's a reason the coach who just joined the staff has been named the interim coach -- the school doesn't want to be in a position where it's even more awkward to get rid of any coach that knew and didn't do anything.

I see...yes, you're probably right that he has plausible deniability, then. Still, it seems like if all the coaches (or at least a majority of them) knew how abusive this guy was to his wife and just ignored the problem, then more people should go down than just Urban.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

They should clean house...will they..not sure. The sweater vest got fired for less right???

Sweater Vest got fired for players getting free sleeves

 

[INXS83]

Meyer is being punished because the abused wife said that she talked with the wives of all of the OSU coaches about the abuse--they all knew about it. Since Urban's wife knew about it, the assumption is that she would've told Urban about it at some point, and since he didn't report the abuse to the cops, he's likely being fired.

BUT if the abused wife told all the coaches' wives about the abuse, wouldn't she have told this interim coach Day's wife, too? If he knew about the abuse and didn't report it, isn't he just as guilty as Urban?

How disastrous would that be, if they fire Meyer, name Day as the head coach for the year, then it comes out that he knew about the abuse and didn't report it....so they fire him before the start of the season, too.

It makes sense to me the Head Coaches wife would be available to and build relationships with each of the coaches wives. I recall Hayden saying that his wife, Shirley, would go out of her way to help the other coaches wives acclimate to Iowa City. It sounds like UM's wife provided a 'shoulder to cry on' for Courtney Smith over the years. There is no way this does not get discussed between UM and his wife. The well-being of the program is at stake. UM would want to know every factor that could become an issue within his program.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

It makes sense to me the Head Coaches wife would be available to and build relationships with each of the coaches wives. I recall Hayden saying that his wife, Shirley, would go out of her way to help the other coaches wives acclimate to Iowa City. It sounds like UM's wife provided a 'shoulder to cry on' for Courtney Smith over the years. There is no way this does not get discussed between UM and his wife. The well-being of the program is at stake. UM would want to know every factor that could become an issue within his program.

They have text messages from Urban's wife discussing the issue with someone and stating that Urban is aware of it and doesn't know what to do about it.

There is no doubt Urban Meyer was aware of what was going on.

 

[42hawk]

Actually, the craziest thing about the scandal is that Meyer hired a wife beater and covered up for him and lied about what he knew.

Actually, he re-hired him (florida to OSU) but I wonder why? It sounds like he wasn't exactly loved by the other staff members..... maybe there is more to the story. Why rehire a person with baggage that the other staff members don't respect? friendship? Personal Debt? Bagman?

 

[HawkGem11]

If the 2 MSU coaches can keep their job what Meyers did was nothing compared to what they did...

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Actually, he re-hired him (florida to OSU) but I wonder why? It sounds like he wasn't exactly loved by the other staff members..... maybe there is more to the story. Why rehire a person with baggage that the other staff members don't respect? friendship? Personal Debt? Bagman?

He is the grandson of Earl Bruce, who gave Meyers his first coaching job.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Sweater Vest got fired for players getting free sleeves

The actual reason is because he knowingly allowed ineligible players to play.

 

[ichawk24]

Still, it seems like if all the coaches (or at least a majority of them) knew how abusive this guy was to his wife and just ignored the problem, then more people should go down than just Urban.

When Art Briles went down in Baylor, the entire coaching staff knew and nothing happened to anyone but the head man.

 

[chodehawk]

Just listened to an hour-long Buckeye enthusiast podcast, which included input from the media member who directly asked Meyer the "tough question" at B1G media days.

Both guys seem to be accepting the idea that Meyer is likely done.

 

[Etalicus]

why is this even a deal were there and students hurt, abused anything?
domestic abuse is horrible but she should of went to the police. The man is probably a nice piece of crap. i just don't see how someone can lose their job because they may or may not of known.
we may all know someone being abused should we lose our jobs? what if the victim isn't ready for assistance.
I don't know about this case at all.

 

[Franisdaman]

UM knew about prior abuse and still hired him. The connections run deep between the two.

Earl Bruce mentored UM.

Zach was Earl Bruce's grandson.

UM was definitely looking out for him.

 

[Franisdaman]

Meyer is being punished because the abused wife said that she talked with the wives of all of the OSU coaches about the abuse--they all knew about it. Since Urban's wife knew about it, the assumption is that she would've told Urban about it at some point, and since he didn't report the abuse to the cops, he's likely being fired.

BUT if the abused wife told all the coaches' wives about the abuse, wouldn't she have told this interim coach Day's wife, too? If he knew about the abuse and didn't report it, isn't he just as guilty as Urban?

How disastrous would that be, if they fire Meyer, name Day as the head coach for the year, then it comes out that he knew about the abuse and didn't report it....so they fire him before the start of the season, too.

Here's the thing! There were NINE police reports dating back to 2012! See last paragraph of this post. This got reported to the cops! How the hell did the OSU President and the AD not take notice? How the hell did the OSU Title IX office not take notice?

I think the OSU President, the OSU AD and Urban Meyer all have some explaining to do.

Cleveland.com reports that the Powell police filed nine incident reports between Jan. 1, 2012, and July 26, 2018, involving domestic issues between Zach and Courtney Smith. Those include multiple custody disputes, the allegation from Oct. 2015, and a 2017 incident in which neighbors saw Smith looking through the windows of his ex-wife's home and banging on her door at 1:30 a.m.

RELATED LINK: https://cbssports.com/college-footb...tic-violence-incident-involving-ex-assistant/

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Day didn't join the staff until 2017, so he has plausible deniability. And in reality, he likely didn't know. There's a reason the coach who just joined the staff has been named the interim coach -- the school doesn't want to be in a position where it's even more awkward to get rid of any coach that knew and didn't do anything.

Likely this. ^^ I didn't even recognize the name "Day" until he popped up in the news following the developments this week. It was at first curious to me that he was the interim...but I think what Dodger says makes sense.

 

[INXS83]

They have text messages from Urban's wife discussing the issue with someone and stating that Urban is aware of it and doesn't know what to do about it.

There is no doubt Urban Meyer was aware of what was going on.

Looks like he decided to deny it ever happened.

Did UM specifically say "I don't know what to do about it?". If not, it's just implied.

I'm not sure heresay from UM's wife would hold up in court. Spouses can't be compelled to testify against each other.

 

[Franisdaman]

UM knew about prior abuse and still hired him. The connections run deep between the two.

every time i see "UM" i think people are talking about the Univ of Michigan LOL

 

[Franisdaman]

He’s being fired because he chose to employ a known abuser and then lied about it.

And it is alleged that he did not report allegations of abuse to the Title IX office

 

[Franisdaman]

Actually, the craziest thing about the scandal is that Meyer hired a wife beater and covered up for him and lied about what he knew.

And it was because Zach Smith is Earl Bruce's grandson. Bruce was UM's mentor. UM protected him because of that mentor/mentee relationship, unfortunately.

 

[MitchL]

There's been a major problem with this thread and all the others mentioning the coaches wives...............we need pictures to decide guilt or innocence.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I see...yes, you're probably right that he has plausible deniability, then. Still, it seems like if all the coaches (or at least a majority of them) knew how abusive this guy was to his wife and just ignored the problem, then more people should go down than just Urban.

If Urban ends up gone, most/all of the others will end up being gone too. That happens anyway when coaches move on, but here the stink needs to be removed.

 

[Franisdaman]

It makes sense to me the Head Coaches wife would be available to and build relationships with each of the coaches wives. I recall Hayden saying that his wife, Shirley, would go out of her way to help the other coaches wives acclimate to Iowa City. It sounds like UM's wife provided a 'shoulder to cry on' for Courtney Smith over the years. There is no way this does not get discussed between UM and his wife. The well-being of the program is at stake. UM would want to know every factor that could become an issue within his program.

i don't there's any way UM did not know. and he did not report the abuse, which is why he will probably be let go with cause.

but there are some out there that think OSU might try to spin this where they end up keeping him and suspending him for a few games

 

[Franisdaman]

If Urban ends up gone, most/all of the others will end up being gone too. That happens anyway when coaches move on, but here the stink needs to be removed.

how do you fire the entire coaching staff one month before the season starts?

 

[INXS83]

how do you fire the entire coaching staff one month before the season starts?

Pretty unlikely, IMHO.

Anybody know what their employment contracts with +O$U say in regards to their reporting sexual abuse incidents not involving students as the victims? What does the schools code of conduct for employees require?

For instance, we all have a moral, but not legal obligation to report a crime.

 

[Franisdaman]

Pretty unlikely, IMHO.

Anybody know what their employment contracts with +O$U say in regards to their reporting sexual abuse incidents not involving students as the victims? What does the schools code of conduct for employees require?

For instance, we all have a moral, but not legal obligation to report a crime.

Any thoughts on why the AD is not in hot water when 9 police reports have been filed on this coach dating back to 2012?

This whole thing makes no sense.

 

[INXS83]

Any thoughts on why the AD is not in hot water when 9 police reports have been filed on this coach dating back to 2012?

This whole thing makes no sense.

Nothing came of those reports did it? Zach Smith never did any real time (yet), did he?

 

[Franisdaman]

Nothing came of those reports did it? Zach Smith never did any real time (yet), did he?

But everyone is saying "UM had to have known."

Couldn't you also say the AD had to have known?

9 police reports since 2012 and the AD does not know?

 

[hawkfeever]

how do you fire the entire coaching staff one month before the season starts?

They won't. Should have brought in outside interim head coach though. Bob Stoops would have been perfect. Then after investigation you decided who to can and who might stay.

 

[anon_8rcdnbko1jbe0]

how do you fire the entire coaching staff one month before the season starts?

These two could get the team ready in time. Well one of them anyway...

 

[chodehawk]

They won't. Should have brought in outside interim head coach though. Bob Stoops would have been perfect. Then after investigation you decided who to can and who might stay.

I absolutely disagree. You don't bring in an unfamiliar face one-month prior to kickoff and expect it to not have a negative impact on the relationships and comraderie of a championship-level football team.

Allowing any outsider (especially a high profile guy like Stoops), to take charge at this stage in the game would create gigantic trust issues and put the entite team in disarray.

They did the right thing by keeping it in house.

 

[DougERot]

But everyone is saying "UM had to have known."

Couldn't you also say the AD had to have known?

9 police reports since 2012 and the AD does not know?

Zach Smith should have been fired at any point from 2009 to 2015 for not telling his superiors that he had interactions with the police. As a public employee he has a duty to report that and usually it is a stipulation of your employment. I've worked for two separate universities in two states and this was made clear to me. Although I was with university PD's and not the athletic or academic departments.

 

[Franisdaman]

Zach Smith should have been fired at any point from 2009 to 2015 for not telling his superiors that he had interactions with the police. As a public employee he has a duty to report that and usually it is a stipulation of your employment. I've worked for two separate universities in two states and this was made clear to me. Although I was with university PD's and not the athletic or academic departments.

Maybe he did tell UM and maybe UM simply protected him.

What I don't get is how none of this (MANY incidents that date back to 2009) made the press until now. How did they keep it quiet?

 

[hawkbirch]

Maybe he did tell UM and maybe UM simply protected him.

What I don't get is how none of this (MANY incidents that date back to 2009) made the press until now. How did they keep it quiet?

They believed him when he promised to stop the first 8 times??

 

[Franisdaman]

They believed him when he promised to stop the first 8 times??

but did the press simply ignore the police reports?