Defensive Rebounding: Iowa ranks 13th in B1G & 221 Nationally, getting just 69% of def rebounds

[Franisdaman]

Please watch our rebounding efforts; how often do you see Iowa players boxing out the opposition, with our butts making contact with the opposing player?

Instead, to me any way, when the opposing player puts up a shot, we just turn and took for the ball and the opposing players run around us and gets the rebound way too many times.

Nov 23, 5 pm CT EDIT: I did some research to see if my eyes were deceiving me. Apparently not.

Here is the ugly break down.

What we are looking at: when the opponent shoots the ball and MISSES, Iowa has a 67.8% chance of getting the rebound, which ranks 12th out of the 14 B1G teams to date.


Opponent...Iowa Def .....Opponent .....%age of Rebs
........................Rebs..........Off Reb............Iowa Got
Chi State.............28..................15...................65.1%
AL State..............31..................15...................67.4%
Gramb St.............26..................13..................66.7%
UL Laf..................26..................10..................72.2%
S Dak St..............26..................10...................72.2%
UAB.....................25..................14...................64.1%
_________________________________________________________
TOTALS............162................77.................67.8%

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

That is correct. Try watching what happens when we're on offense - usually other teams are concertedly boxing out our guys which is keeping the offensive rebound numbers down further (we're still getting a high percentage of them).

 

[Franisdaman]

We gave up 10 offensive rebounds today, 10 yesterday

 

[Franisdaman]

UAB had 14 offensive rebounds. Iowa had just 4.

This was a tweet during the game:

MarkEmmert‏Verified account@MarkEmmert 5h5 hours ago

Iowa has allowed 13 offensive rebounds. UAB is an aggressive team, but Hawkeyes need to do a better job keeping them off the boards. They have attempted 17 more shots as a result

 

[DewHawk]

I agree 100%, Hawks are no reacting to opponents shots and aggressively going after the rebound. Too much standing around watching.

 

[StormHawk42]

It’s difficult to rebound out of a zone. Our defense won’t be good this year so we’ll have to do a pick your poison when it comes to zone or man.

 

[RocknRollface]

Having Baer back helps, he and Kriener are the two best rebounders on the team.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

This has been a problem for years. I don't know if Fran doesn't coach them up and make boxing out a focus or what the deal is.... Just boggles my mind watching a major D1 team not do the SIMPLE little things

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Please watch our rebounding efforts; how often do you see Iowa players boxing out the opposition, with our butts making contact with the opposing player?

Instead, to me any way, when the opposing player puts up a shot, we just turn and took for the ball and the opposing players run around us and gets the rebound way too many times.

It all starts at the top. Fran. I do not get how he isn't trying to drill this into their heads.... I would pay money to hear why he doesn't teach boxing out. Because he obviously doesn't... I would like to know his reasoning.

 

[HawkLogic]

the data from UAB game was

Iowa 4 off, 25 def reb
uab 14 off, 21

Uab missed 38 shots
Iowa missed 20 shots.

So UAB got 14 of 38 rebounds on offense
Iowa only got 4 of 20.

The offensive rebounding was pretty poor too.

Iowa slow Tall guys vs quicker/harder working UAB team and rebounding out of zone?

 

[hawk-i bob]

when U shoot 60% for the game...62% from 3...and 77% from the FT line...U probably are not going to have as many offensive rebounds...but maybe we should have done better on the ones that we had the opportunity on.

UAB shot 45% for the game 42% in the 2nd half - 28% from 3 ...more misses..more opportunity to grab an offensive rebound..

I'm thinking I'd prefer the 60% shooting.... but we certainly need to rebound better,

 

[SotaHawk87]

It's laziness too.. other teams go right around our guys with ease. Moss and Kreiner stuck out the most for me! That's effort.. get it fixed

 

[hawk-i bob]

Yep our guys are just lazy...yep Im out on this one...have a great day u all.

 

[SotaHawk87]

Yep our guys are just lazy...yep Im out on this one...have a great day u all.

I will gladly find some film and post it.. if you can describe it as anything else, you win! It was just a few plays I'm not saying they are lazy in general. I thought the defense was actually decent yesterday when you look at %'s..

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

I honestly think our "poor defense" has more to do with poor defensive rebounding. Does anyone have the "2nd Chance Points" stats from the 3 games? I'd guess we likely lost the battle each time.

We seem to be ok at forcing enough tough shots (long 3s or off balanced drives over shot block attempts). We give up some layups, but it isn't every time.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I will gladly find some film and post it.. if you can describe it as anything else, you win! It was just a few plays I'm not saying they are lazy in general. I thought the defense was actually decent yesterday when you look at %'s..

OH i'm sure you can find on film breakdowns..but at least you are now saying they are not lazy in general...and only just a few plays.

I'm not arguing we dont need to rebound better & be more aggressive.
In Frans 7 full seasons...looking at our rebounding margins against our B1G opponents ONLY...we out rebounded in 3 of the 7 years..ranging from a +2.1 to +5.0..the other 4 years where we were out rebounded ..the B1G only margins were -1.6, -1.2, -1.3 & -1.3...not the best but its not like we were getting killed.

Of course shooting percentages come into play on both ends...for both us and the opponent.

I dont think we have rebounded as well as we can..I caught myself yelling at the computer a couple of times...get the F'N rebound...my dog (who I think more of..then some humans) thought I was yelling at him...for that I was sad ..

I think we need to get much better at reacting & boxing...but I dont consider it a Fran cant coach issue (#'s dont indicate that) or being just lazy.

So dont know if I win...didnt think we were competing.

 

[Ngnosis hwk scence]

Bring back Rudy Washington...

no excuses.

Iowa should have an 8 to 10 plus rebound margin

 

[hawki1968]

I honestly think our "poor defense" has more to do with poor defensive rebounding. Does anyone have the "2nd Chance Points" stats from the 3 games? I'd guess we likely lost the battle each time.

We seem to be ok at forcing enough tough shots (long 3s or off balanced drives over shot block attempts). We give up some layups, but it isn't every time.

I rewatched the UAB game this morning. Overall, the defense was improved, but as you noted Iowa could not complete possessions.

Here is a quick scan:

Iowa opens the second half in the 1-3-1. Plays good denfense the entire shot clock; UAB hoists a desperation three, Moss doesn’t check out, and UAB scores at the shot clock buzzer.

Transition defense, decent challenge, Cook doesn’t check out, score UAB.

Good defense in the zone; Nunge doesn’t chin the rebound, stripped; three pointer scored off BOB.

Good challenge by Garza; airball forced; guards don’t check; score inside.

This happened over and again. The defense got better as the tournament progressed; the offense improved; the rebounding did not.

It would be nice to hear Fran’s thoughts on it, because it is glaring over the past few games.

Adding on: Peter Jok may have been the world’s crappiest defender last year, but he was a really good rebounder from the guard position. Moss and JBO have to check down in the zone and clean up long rebounds. They need to do more of the little things to be in the correct position to clear possessions so we can run.

 

[THEMONSTER]

It’s difficult to rebound out of a zone. Our defense won’t be good this year so we’ll have to do a pick your poison when it comes to zone or man

.

Sad part of this truth is that the best coach for this skill ever still lives in ic.

 

[Franisdaman]

Please check out this site: http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/mbb-confldrs.html

Please look a the "Defensive Rebound Percent" category. Iowa ranks 12th in the B1G, getting just 67.8% of defensive rebounds.

Iowa ranks 9th of the 14 B1G teams with a +4.3 Rebounding margin. Remember when the Tom Davis teams led THE NATION in rebounding margin?

This year's Iowa team, however, is ranked #121 in rebounding margin. Source: http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/151/p3

 

[And1Hawk]

Please check out this site: http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/mbb-confldrs.html

Iowa ranks 9th of the 14 B1G teams with a +4.3 Rebounding margin. Remember when the Tom Davis teams led THE NATION in rebounding margin?

Please look a the "Defensive Rebound Percent" category. Am I reading this correctly where Iowa ranks 12th in the B1G, getting just 67.8% of defensive rebounds?

Keep in mind these stats for us have been compiled in 6 games against no one from the power 5/6 and 3 of the games against the RPI 300 (bottom 50 teams in the nation). This may be a similar case for others in the B1G too.

 

[Franisdaman]

Iowa ranks 9th of the 14 B1G teams with a +4.3 Rebounding margin. Remember when the Tom Davis teams led THE NATION in rebounding margin?

This year's Iowa team, however, is ranked #121 in rebounding margin. Source: http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/151/p3

In comparison, The 1986-87 Iowa team that made the Elite 8 led the nation in rebounding margin at 12.6.

Please check out this site: http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/mbb-confldrs.html

Please look at the "Defensive Rebound Percent" category. Iowa ranks 12th in the B1G, getting just 67.8% of defensive rebounds.


Check out this link, which shows TWENTY YEARS of rankings for defensive rebounding percentages. As you can see, our ranking this year is 233.

The Link: https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/defensive-rebounding-pct

Here is the ugly break down for this year:

What we are looking at: when the opponent shoots the ball and MISSES, Iowa has a 67.8% chance of getting the rebound, which ranks 12th out of the 14 B1G teams to date.

..................................................................................Shot
..........Iowa Def ..Opponent ..%age of Rebs....Reb...Attempt
.................Rebs...Off Reb........Iowa Got......Margin..Margin
Chi State.....28..........15...............65.1%............+5...........-9
AL State......31..........15...............67.4%..........+15..........+4
Gramb St....26..........13..............66.7%............+9...........-22
UL Laf.........26..........10..............72.2%..............0..............-1
S Dak St.....26..........10...............72.2%...........+3.............-6
UAB............25..........14...............64.1%............-6............-19
___________________________________________________________
TOTALS...162..........77..............67.8%.......+4.3.........-8.8

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Rebounding is more about effort than just about any aspect of the game. And doesn't require the highest level athleticism. Iowa has to be a better defensive rebounding team if they want to have success this season.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Please watch our rebounding efforts; how often do you see Iowa players boxing out the opposition, with our butts making contact with the opposing player?

Instead, to me any way, when the opposing player puts up a shot, we just turn and took for the ball and the opposing players run around us and gets the rebound way too many times.

Nov 23, 5 pm CT EDIT: I did some research to see if my eyes were deceiving me. Apparently not.

Here is the ugly break down.

What we are looking at: when the opponent shoots the ball and MISSES, Iowa has a 67.8% chance of getting the rebound, which ranks 12th out of the 14 B1G teams to date.


Opponent...Iowa Def .....Opponent .....%age of Rebs
........................Rebs..........Off Reb............Iowa Got
Chi State.............28..................15...................65.1%
AL State..............31..................15...................67.4%
Gramb St.............26..................13..................66.7%
UL Laf..................26..................10..................72.2%
S Dak St..............26..................10...................72.2%
UAB.....................25..................14...................64.1%
_________________________________________________________
TOTALS............162................77.................67.8%

when are U going to start a thread on Iowa's
scoring offense, FG%, 3PT %, 3 Pt makes, 3 PT Defense, Assists per game & asst/TO
????

 

[Franisdaman]

Please check out this site: http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/mbb-confldrs.html

Iowa ranks 9th of the 14 B1G teams with a +4.3 Rebounding margin. Remember when the Tom Davis teams led THE NATION in rebounding margin?

Please look a the "Defensive Rebound Percent" category. Am I reading this correctly where Iowa ranks 12th in the B1G, getting just 67.8% of defensive rebounds?

The 1986-87 Iowa team that made the Elite 8 led the nation in rebounding margin at 12.6.

 

[Franisdaman]

when are U going to start a thread on Iowa's
scoring offense, FG%, 3PT %, 3 Pt makes, 3 PT Defense, Assists per game & asst/TO
????

sure, their 3 pt defense might be good but guess what? we don't rebound those misses very well, do we?

thoughts?

 

[hawk-i bob]

sure, their 3 pt defense might be good but guess what? we don't rebound those misses very well, do we?

thoughts?

so being the Start A Thread King you dont want to start a theard that points out others stats that may have some positives. I see.

 

[walleye hunter16]

It all starts at the top. Fran. I do not get how he isn't trying to drill this into their heads.... I would pay money to hear why he doesn't teach boxing out. Because he obviously doesn't... I would like to know his reasoning.

You know what they say about assuming.

 

[walleye hunter16]

the data from UAB game was

Iowa 4 off, 25 def reb
uab 14 off, 21

Uab missed 38 shots
Iowa missed 20 shots.

So UAB got 14 of 38 rebounds on offense
Iowa only got 4 of 20.

The offensive rebounding was pretty poor too.

Iowa slow Tall guys vs quicker/harder working UAB team and rebounding out of zone?

A BB court is no that big. Positioning, quickness and anticipation are the keys. "slow" can be overcome.

 

[Franisdaman]

so being the Start A Thread King you dont want to start a theard that points out others stats that may have some positives. I see.

Bob,

We have lost 2 games that I think most would say we should have won. Are the issues on the offensive side or the defensive side?

Call me crazy, Bob, but I would say its on the defensive side. Wouldn't you? And you are surprised that on a MESSAGE BOARD I might want to discuss defense?

They say "defense wins championships," and you are surprised I might want to talk defense?

I will ignore your "start at thread king" comment; I would think a man like you who has been married over 40 years (and being that it is Thanksgiving) might be above the insults.

Regardless, Bob, I hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Bob,

We have lost 2 games that I think most would say we should have won. Are the issues on the offensive side or the defensive side?

Call me crazy, Bob, but I would say its on the defensive side. Wouldn't you? And you are surprised that on a MESSAGE BOARD I might want to discuss defense?

They say "defense wins championships," and you are surprised I might want to talk defense?

I will ignore your "start at thread king" comment; I would think a man like you who has been married over 40 years (and being that it is Thanksgiving) might be above the insults.

Regardless, Bob, I hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

Franisdaman,

If you are not interested in starting a thread about the stats..I understand.
Just say so...I think I have a little idea about some aspects of defense. I have not lost my eye site just yet.

The King comment was a compliment.

I'll ignore the marriage comment because what the freak does that have to do with anything????

 

[Franisdaman]

Franisdaman,

If you are not interested in starting a thread about the stats..I understand.
Just say so...I think I have a little idea about some aspects of defense. I have not lost my eye site just yet.

The King comment was a compliment.

I'll ignore the marriage comment because what the freak does that have to do with anything????

I HAVE started a thread about stats, so I don't understand your very first sentence.

Why are you so defensive? No pun intended.

I will talk offensive stats all you want but do you think its on the offensive side of the ball where we lost the 2 games? Well, you could argue that offense was an issue vs Louisiana....

Regarding your 40 plus years of marriage? I was bringing it up, trying to speak of your maturity, where we should simply be able to have a discussion in this thread as adults. You brought your 40 years of marriage up in another thread; not sure why you brought it up there, either, but you did.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I HAVE started a thread about stats, so I don't understand your very first sentence.

Why are you so defensive? No pun intended.

I will talk offensive stats all you want but do you think its on the offensive side of the ball where we lost the 2 games? Well, you could argue that offense was an issue vs Louisiana....

Regarding your 40 plus years of marriage? I was bringing it up, trying to speak of your maturity, where we should simply be able to have a discussion in this thread as adults. You brought your 40 years of marriage up in another thread; not sure why you brought it up there, either, but you did.

OK...well lets stop obviously U didnt get my post and decided to take it sideways..

I'm not arguing at all...I simply asked why no mention of the other stat standings...which you have replied. I fully understand the needs for some to want to talk about whats wrong as opposed to what we may have done decent...it is difficult for some people to try to balance things.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

You know what they say about assuming.

Don't get me wrong, I love Fran. But Have you ever heard Fran holler, "why the &$#@ are you not boxing out!?!" before? No? I have not either....

However, I have heard him say many more things on about every other area of the game... Quite vocally I might add.

There is no doubt that boxing out is not a priority for Fran and his system. That I do not get. Boxing out was/is almost instinctual for me.

Defense and rebounding wins games. We are failing miserably at both. Which is dumbfounding with our length, and talent.

 

[Franisdaman]

OK...well lets stop obviously U didnt get my post and decided to take it sideways..

I'm not arguing at all...I simply asked why no mention of the other stat standings...which you have replied. I fully understand the needs for some to want to talk about whats wrong as opposed to what we may have done decent...it is difficult for some people to try to balance things.

I am just trying to figure out how we lost 2 games we thought we should have won. And I think it all points to the defensive effort.

I am also trying to figure out, with all our size, why we don't rebound better. And I think that starts with a lack of boxing people out. IMO, we should be dominating on the boards, and we are not, so far, obviously.

 

[RocknRollface]

when U shoot 60% for the game...62% from 3...and 77% from the FT line...U probably are not going to have as many offensive rebounds...but maybe we should have done better on the ones that we had the opportunity on.

UAB shot 45% for the game 42% in the 2nd half - 28% from 3 ...more misses..more opportunity to grab an offensive rebound..

I'm thinking I'd prefer the 60% shooting.... but we certainly need to rebound better,

Saying we shot well isn't an excuse for letting them have so many offensive rebounds. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. We can shoot well and clean up the defensive boards.

It doesn't matter how many Iowa got in comparison it matters how many we gave up.

 

[Franisdaman]

Don't get me wrong, I love Fran. But Have you ever heard Fran holler, "why the &$#@ are you not boxing out!?!" before? No? I have not either....

However, I have heard him say many more things on about every other area of the game... Quite vocally I might add.

There is no doubt that boxing out is not a priority for Fran and his system. That I do not get. Boxing out was/is almost instinctual for me.

Defense and rebounding wins games. We are failing miserably at both. Which is dumbfounding with our length, and talent.

I played basketball for a short while and I sucked. I remember doing box out drills where the coach would toss the ball to the basket and we had to turn and have out butts into our opponent, boxing them out, and allowing the ball to hit the ground. If our opponent got their hands on the ball we got screamed at.

Sometimes we are gong to have an off night on offense. There should never be an off night on defense and on rebounding, imo.

I thought with our size we would be dominating the boards.

 

[RocknRollface]

so being the Start A Thread King you dont want to start a theard that points out others stats that may have some positives. I see.

Well, thats kind of something you do when your winning games, not losing to nobodys.

 

[hawki1968]

We definitely did lose game number 1 partly because of offense: We had 17 points in the first half. Adding onto the futile 17 points was the constant turnovers that led to easy scores for the opposing teams.

Fran IS obviously an offense-first coach. And we run some pretty dang good stuff on the offensive end. The offense scoring also allows us to press as well as switch defenses from man to zone; they are not two separate parts like football; they work hand and hand very often.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Please check out this site: http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/mbb-confldrs.html

Please look a the "Defensive Rebound Percent" category. Iowa ranks 12th in the B1G, getting just 67.8% of defensive rebounds.

Iowa ranks 9th of the 14 B1G teams with a +4.3 Rebounding margin. Remember when the Tom Davis teams led THE NATION in rebounding margin?

This year's Iowa team, however, is ranked #121 in rebounding margin. Source: http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/151/p3

And when Jess Settles played then, he said everyone got in on the rebounding. Everyone.