I don’t think Trump will allow for that. See tariffs and farmers. Trump gives two shits about the debt.
Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
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You must have loved Gore’s National Partnership for Reinventing Government that eliminated 250,000:government jobs and consolidated nearly 1000 government agencies.
Which of these efficiency experts is going to tell Trump it’s redundant to pay to secure multiple residencies? Who will tell Trump he can’t pad the bills at his golf clubs with government money?
I'm too young for that, sounds great though! My first exposure to Al Gore was him whining about the election being stolen from him. I was in college and didn't care who won. I was basically a liberal then because I hadn't experienced the real world yet.
I live about an hour outside of DC. I go in frequently for dinner, concerts, shows, etc. It's pretty obscene how much wealth is in that city. It doesn't matter if we are in a recession or not, these people are living pretty high on the hog. If any of you have traveled there and spent any time there, you would understand it. The government class is getting very wealthy off of the rest of us. It needs to be cut down to size. And I agree, what one thinks is the right size, another may disagree with. But Trump has won the right to try to reduce it to a size he sees fit.
He is not reducing. He is redistributing it to Putin and elons crypto buds. The new reich rich elite gets richer.
An outside look at government is a good idea.
Will it do any good? No idea but the debt gets bigger all the time and trying anything is a positive.
Will it do any good? No idea but the debt gets bigger all the time and trying anything is a positive.
By qualified individuals sure. Where are the qualified individuals?
Remember, Drain the swamp, well, with Crazy Filthy Don now we get another one. DOGE, just another nothingburger (gemmik) that goes nowhere. Nothing to concern you or myself.
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Yea that was my first thought. First step of cutting federal government is to add an entirely new department...
Sounds like his first impression lasted on you, then. You ended up supporting another whiner who thought the election was stolen!
Actually, Gore handled himself with grace; but there was LOTS of whining from both sides during the entire fiasco. He wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed and didn't have the most dynamic personality; but he was far more ready to handle the presidency than Dubya. He was a visionary when it came to the Internet, and he was instrumental in helping to reduce waste in government. He would have been a good administrator and I'd like to think would not have set back the situation in the Middle East after 9/11 the way Dubya and his team did.
As for "hadn't experience the real world yet" that is a bunch of hokum. I was basically conservative when I was younger and grew more liberal as I got older. Because for some of us "real life" involves growing as a empathetic human being and casting aside simplistic world views with more nuanced ones that recognizes the reality of my life is far different from the realities of others. We all start to experience the "real world" as we get older. But some of us learn different lessons from our experiences. And some of us have different experiences in the real world that provide us different lessons.
Some would say an outsider that has done well in the private sector is exactly what is needed.
Others, would say something else.
Trump will increase spending. He did it last time. There is no real expectation to think it will get anything but worse this time.
I absolutely agree, having an outsider's perspective regarding efficiency in the government is definitely a good thing. But Elon and Vivek are shady mofos. There's ZERO chance they are going to do what's best, and 100% chance they do whatever benefits them and their friends the most.
Trust should be earned, and re-earned continuously. Better efficiency won't come easily though. Federal employees will want to keep their jobs and power.
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And who better to put an end to this conspicuous consumption than a couple of billionaires whose wealth in great part derives from government contracts, amiright!?
This is a good read for anyone that has forgotten how Vivek came to be. Perfect guy to be helping with government efficiency.And who better to put an end to this conspicuous consumption than a couple of billionaires whose wealth in great part derives from government contracts, amiright!?
Vivek Ramaswamy Is a Fraud—and Always Has Been
Both parties are already led by scandal-plagued octogenarians. The last thing we need is a millennial conman pretending to be a presidential candidate.
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Elon is not an expert in this. He make exaggerated statements to get government contracts to overinflate his wealth
what the hell does this have to do with government efficiency. The fat you are speaking of comes from political grift. Much like what the donald does. The other comes from money from lobbying and buying/selling of stocks from insider information.
Do you really think elon is going to get congress to pass laws that forbid them from buying selling stock based on their insider info and getting money from lobbyists. I'd love it if he could do that but the "government" employees "getting rich" is not where the problems lie.
elon is the same guy. He's the definition of bait a switch.This is a good read for anyone that has forgotten how Vivek came to be. Perfect guy to be helping with government efficiency.
Vivek Ramaswamy Is a Fraud—and Always Has Been
Both parties are already led by scandal-plagued octogenarians. The last thing we need is a millennial conman pretending to be a presidential candidate.
I certainly don't recall this level of angst about it.
During a discussion with David Letterman in September 1993 about the need to cut government waste, then-Vice President Al Gore cracks an ashtray with a hammer. According to Reuters, Gore brought two ashtrays on to “Late Show” and read the federal regulations about how government-purchased ashtrays must break when dropped. “This is a designer ashtray because the taxpayers have paid lots of people to specify everything about this, including the testing procedure," Gore said according to Reuters. He and Letterman then took turns breaking the ashtrays with a hammer. “I know you break ties in the Senate, I didn't know about this,” Letterman said. The archives of Dave: “Today is Presidents' Day. Or, as Al Gore calls it, Monday.”
I would say a non-crazy outsider that has done well in the private sector could be exactly what is needed. A subtle difference but a real one.
But he's not crazy. Y'all just don't like him.
I've been hearing the left call political opposition crazy since Ross Perot, but that's just when I started paying attention.
The communist actually loved using that to handle their opposition. Old habits dying hard,
On the covert orders of the KGB, thousands of social and political reformers—Soviet "dissidents"—were incarcerated in mental hospitals after being labelled with diagnoses of "sluggish schizophrenia", a disease fabricated by Snezhnevsky and "Moscow school" of psychiatry.[60]
In a speech published in the Pravda daily newspaper on 24 May 1959, Khrushchev said:
You do realize the hundreds of millions of dollars our government spends on things that are a complete waste, right? It will be very easy to cut billions of dollars being spent on meaningless research and other items.
You should put this picture in the Gaetz thread. It's sadly accurate that a pedophile will be in charge of law enforcement in the USAnd who better to put an end to this conspicuous consumption than a couple of billionaires whose wealth in great part derives from government contracts, amiright!?
