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Did Kansas & its fans sell their souls to the devil, all for a National Championship shot?

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Kansas' season has been clouded by allegations of assault, felonies, rape, and drug paraphernalia possession.

Take a look at this list:


Sophomore Guard Lageral Vick

* A 2015 KU investigation found he likely assaulted a female student, hitting her multiple times. The KU Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access ruled, based on a preponderance of evidence, that Vick likely committed domestic violence. The office recommended two years of university probation. Vick was not charged with a crime. It is unknown whether Vick was suspended, though he has not missed games this season

* Is a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the same woman on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold). Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.


Freshman Josh Jackson (likely lottery pick)

* Is also a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the woman mentioned above, on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold) Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.

Update: Feb 24, From the Kansas City Star:
Two days after the University of Kansas men’s basketball team won its 13th consecutive conference title, one of the Jayhawks’ star players has been charged with allegedly damaging the car of a women’s basketball player in early December.

Josh Jackson, 20, was charged Friday in Douglas County District Court with one count of criminal damage to property, less than $1,000, which is a Class B non-person misdemeanor that is punishable by up to six months in jail. Jackson later issued a statement in which he said he was sorry and that he had “offered to pay for any damage that I directly caused.”

Later Friday, KU coach Bill Self said he had already disciplined Jackson for his actions that led to the charge and called him “a great ambassador for the university.” Jackson has started all 28 KU games this season. Since the incident, however, the women’s player who reported it (McKenzie Calvert) has seen her minutes per game nearly cut in half.

A news release from Branson’s office details some of what happened in those early morning hours. Calvert reportedly threw a drink on a male patron while leaving the bar. The Star has learned that the patron was Vick.

Jackson followed Calvert to her car, according to the release, and they argued. Witnesses saw Jackson kick the driver’s door of Calvert’s car and kick a rear taillight.

The Star has learned that Calvert — a standout on the women’s team — was in the driver’s seat while Jackson kicked her car.

Investigators have interviewed several people who witnessed the reported crime. A police report categorized the $2,991 in total damage to the car as a felony. But Friday’s release listed the damage at a higher amount, $3,150.45.

“Felony criminal damage (damage in excess of $1,000) was not charged because the state cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that all the damage to the door and taillight were caused by Jackson,” the release said.

According to the release, Calvert told police her car had been damaged by a known person and others she could not identify. Witnesses at the scene also couldn’t identify others who also may have damaged the car. When asked if Lawrence police were still investigating whether others may have damaged the car, Sgt. Amy Rhoads said the case was closed.

Jackson is scheduled to be arraigned in Douglas County District Court at 3 p.m. April 12, seven business days after the NCAA championship game. In his statement, Jackson said he was “very sorry that this whole situation occurred.”

Full story:
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article134735694.html

When asked if there was any chance Jackson would miss NCAA tournament games, Self responded by saying, “Hell no.”

Link: http://tricountysentry.com/blog/jos...-would-beat-her-ass-during-december-incident/

The whole team

* Police are also investigating the alleged rape in December of a 16-year-old girl at an on-campus dorm that houses the Kansas men's basketball team. Five members of the team were listed as witnesses in the assault case.

Feb 24 update from the KC Star: KU police are still investigating the reported rape and two other crimes — contributing to a child’s misconduct and furnishing alcohol to a minor. Police have not released any information about a suspect in those three offenses, including whether the suspect resides at McCarthy or attends KU.

Link: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article134735694.html



Sophomore Carlton Bragg
* During the investigation of the alleged rape mentioned above, police found two glass smoking devices with residue. Bragg was granted diversion of a charge of possession of drug paraphernalia. He remains suspended indefinitely from the team.

The diversion agreement was reached Wednesday, Feb 1, after criminal charges were filed in Lawrence Municipal Court on Monday, said Supervising City Prosecutor Elizabeth Hafoka, who did not immediately have details of the terms.

If Bragg meets those terms, the charge will be dropped, according to the city prosecutor's website. If he does not, the charges will be reinstated. The site says diversion is only for first-time offenders and those who don't seem likely to engage in further criminal activity.


* Bragg was previously suspended in December for misdemeanor battery charges against a woman that were later dropped. The woman, Saleeha Soofi was charged with battery and pleaded not guilty.

UPDATE on Bragg: Bragg was reinstated Feb 6, just in time for the game at Kansas Sate, where Kansas survived, 74-71. Bragg played 13 minutes off the bench, was 3-4 from the field, 6 points, 3 rebounds (2 of which were offensive), 2 assists.


Source: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...h-jackson-kansas-jayhawks-eyed-vandalism-case
 
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Take a look at this list:

Sophomore Guard Lageral Vick

* A 2015 KU investigation found he likely assaulted a female student, hitting her multiple times. The KU Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access ruled, based on a preponderance of evidence, that Vick likely committed domestic violence. The office recommended two years of university probation. Vick was not charged with a crime. It is unknown whether Vick was suspended, though he has not missed games this season

* Is a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the same woman on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold). Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.


Freshman Josh Jackson (likely lottery pick)

* Is also a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the woman mentioned above, on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold) Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.


The whole team

Police are also investigating the alleged rape in December of a 16-year-old girl at an on-campus dorm that houses the Kansas men's basketball team.


Sophomore Carlton Bragg
During the investigation of the alleged rape mentioned above, police found two glass smoking devices with residue. Bragg was granted diversion of a charge of possession of drug paraphernalia. He remains suspended indefinitely from the team.

It's going to be easier than usual to root against them in the Tournament.
 
If Bill Self possesses any sense of moral fiber, I would think so, yes.

that would be huge; that would mean 3 key players out as we approach March Madness

Today, vs the Clowns, Self only played 7 players and 2 of them could be suspended:


Jackson (starter): 33 min, 5-13 FG, 1-3 from 3, 4-7 FTs, 15 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 2 steals
Vick (key reserve): 21 min, 3-5 FGs, 2-2 FTs, 8 pts, 2 rebs,
 
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Pumping you own thread,....awesome work dude. 4 of 7(including this one) posts.

Keep working it.
 
Athletes down south and out west get away with anything. Stop raping girls and colleges need to stop letting these idiots in college if they are dumb don't let them in or of they have a past criminal record don't let them In college.

It's sad that universities care more about winning than the students at schools safety.

People will still watch and watch more if these thugs aren't allowed in, it would only take maybe about 10-12 percent of athletes out of the mix. And down south these kids don't take their sat/act.
 
Pretty close. Five members of the team were listed as witnesses in the rape case. I wonder what they "witnessed" and could they have intervened?
Exactly. This smells pretty bad. Why didn't they intervene? Standing in line waiting for their turn? Dubious moral character at a minimum. Felony behavior a possibility. They will try to keep this from exploding until after the tournament.
 
Exactly. This smells pretty bad. Why didn't they intervene? Standing in line waiting for their turn? Dubious moral character at a minimum. Felony behavior a possibility. They will try to keep this from exploding until after the tournament.

So, in summary:
1 suspended indefinitely, drug related
2 being investigated for committing a felony
5 being investigated regarding a rape
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8 total who could get suspended

5 scholarship players left



I guess there won't be any subbing in, if all 8 get suspended
 
Well, shoot, I was a big fan of Kansas before.

But now I guess I'll have to hate them. :rolleyes:
 
There are some players from Missouri and Kansas we're after for 2018 and 2019 that could be swayed by this .
 
who are those guys?
I was going to say 2018 St. Louis PG Courtney Ramey, but then I saw he committed to Louisville a couple days ago over KU. This scandal surely helped his decision. Then there's Jeremiah Robinson, a 2019 PF from a KC suburb who we've offered.
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I was going to say 2018 St. Louis PG Courtney Ramey, but then I saw he committed to Louisville a couple days ago over KU. This scandal surely helped his decision. Then there's Jeremiah Robinson, a 2019 PF from a KC suburb who we've offered.

thanks; hopefully he/they are watching our games
 
If Bill Self possesses any sense of moral fiber, I would think so, yes.

You're not going to see any suspensions from this program unless there are charges and convictions. A coach knows these athletes get away with almost anything while in college and get the charges reduced or dropped. A sad state of affairs in our college community. See Baylor!!! Florida State...





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Bragg was reinstated Feb 6, just in time for the game at Kansas Sate, where Kansas survived, 74-71. Bragg played 13 minutes off the bench, was 3-4 from the field, 6 points, 3 rebounds (2 of which were offensive), 2 assists.
 
Take a look at this list:

Sophomore Guard Lageral Vick

* A 2015 KU investigation found he likely assaulted a female student, hitting her multiple times. The KU Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access ruled, based on a preponderance of evidence, that Vick likely committed domestic violence. The office recommended two years of university probation. Vick was not charged with a crime. It is unknown whether Vick was suspended, though he has not missed games this season

* Is a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the same woman on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold). Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.


Freshman Josh Jackson (likely lottery pick)

* Is also a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the woman mentioned above, on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold) Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.


The whole team

* Police are also investigating the alleged rape in December of a 16-year-old girl at an on-campus dorm that houses the Kansas men's basketball team. Five members of the team were listed as witnesses in the assault case.


Sophomore Carlton Bragg
* During the investigation of the alleged rape mentioned above, police found two glass smoking devices with residue. Bragg was granted diversion of a charge of possession of drug paraphernalia. He remains suspended indefinitely from the team.

The diversion agreement was reached Wednesday, Feb 1, after criminal charges were filed in Lawrence Municipal Court on Monday, said Supervising City Prosecutor Elizabeth Hafoka, who did not immediately have details of the terms.

If Bragg meets those terms, the charge will be dropped, according to the city prosecutor's website. If he does not, the charges will be reinstated. The site says diversion is only for first-time offenders and those who don't seem likely to engage in further criminal activity.


* Bragg was previously suspended in December for misdemeanor battery charges against a woman that were later dropped. The woman, Saleeha Soofi was charged with battery and pleaded not guilty.

UPDATE on Bragg: Bragg was reinstated Feb 6, just in time for the game at Kansas Sate, where Kansas survived, 74-71. Bragg played 13 minutes off the bench, was 3-4 from the field, 6 points, 3 rebounds (2 of which were offensive), 2 assists.


Source: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...h-jackson-kansas-jayhawks-eyed-vandalism-case

You can get away with murder at KU. 3 players tied to the scandals scored 40 of KU's 80 points in their 80-79 win at Texas Tech.

* 31 pts--Jackson started today at Texas Tech

* 2 pts--Bragg is coming off the bench today.

* 7 pts--Vick is coming off the bench today.

* I would love to know which 5 are tied to the rape of the 16 year old.

Think about this for a second; the list above adds to 8 scholarship players. KU would be left with just 5 scholarship players.
 
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1) Bragg got caught with some drug paraphenila (a pot pipe) not a huge deal and he was suspended 3 games.
2) Jackson and Vick have not been named suspects or persons of interest in the vandalism of the car.
3) There is no information that anyone from the basketball team was involved in the alleged rape. Witness does not have to mean eye witness to the crime.

People should think before pegging people with crimes when there is no evidence yet they did anything wrong. Just watch the Duke Lacrosse 30 for 30.
 
In Feb 13's win over West Virginia:

Josh Jackson: 14 pts, 41 min, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 steals
Bragg: 18 min, 1 reb
Vick: 14 points, 18 min, 2 reb, 2 assists, 1 steal

KU keeps winning with these players under scrutiny


28 points came from these 2 low lifes:

Sophomore Guard Lageral Vick
* A 2015 KU investigation found he likely assaulted a female student, hitting her multiple times. The KU Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access ruled, based on a preponderance of evidence, that Vick likely committed domestic violence. The office recommended two years of university probation. Vick was not charged with a crime. It is unknown whether Vick was suspended, though he has not missed games this season

* Is a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the same woman on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold).Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.


Freshman Josh Jackson (likely lottery pick)

* Is also a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the woman mentioned above, on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold) Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.
 
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1) Bragg got caught with some drug paraphenila (a pot pipe) not a huge deal and he was suspended 3 games.
2) Jackson and Vick have not been named suspects or persons of interest in the vandalism of the car.
3) There is no information that anyone from the basketball team was involved in the alleged rape. Witness does not have to mean eye witness to the crime.

People should think before pegging people with crimes when there is no evidence yet they did anything wrong. Just watch the Duke Lacrosse 30 for 30.
Are you assuming KS won't cover this up? If so, you don't know Lawrence. Nothing about this will be allowed out until the dance is over for KU.
 
was in Lawrence Kansas for 4 days last week....was able to take a look inside Phog Allen..old...but one of a kind.

it does seem there is a different perspective from one school to another..was standing in line at sporting goods store..Kansas clad behind me..had my colors on. I asked the guy..what happen? you & Baylor basically handed the B12T to ISU?...said we dont care..we got our 13th straight...and Final 4's are the only thing we are concerned about.

obviously didnt speak to a ton of Rock Chalkers'''but my guess is they do not view some of their off court stuff as being as important as their Final 4....they dont care IMO.

We will never know that feeling because we go off over a Moped..could not imagine the reaction.

The good news about a Kansas, or a NCarolina,,etc..it gives me someone to root for other than them.
 
I find it interesting and convenient that they finally suspended Josh Jackson for his vandalism AFTER the regular season was completed. They suspended him for the Big 12 tournament game, which they lost to TCU. But hey, he was available for the NCAA Tournament, and that is all that matters.

Read the original post again. How many women have to be assaulted before enough is enough?
 
That's just standard procedure at Larryville. The program has been put on probation several times, including the years it won the NCAA title in hoops. Like North Carolina, Kansas is simply exempt from criticism by the national sports media.

Kansas' season has been clouded by allegations of assault, felonies, rape, and drug paraphernalia possession.

Take a look at this list:


Sophomore Guard Lageral Vick

* A 2015 KU investigation found he likely assaulted a female student, hitting her multiple times. The KU Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access ruled, based on a preponderance of evidence, that Vick likely committed domestic violence. The office recommended two years of university probation. Vick was not charged with a crime. It is unknown whether Vick was suspended, though he has not missed games this season

* Is a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the same woman on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold). Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.


Freshman Josh Jackson (likely lottery pick)

* Is also a person of interest in the alleged felony vandalism of a car owned by the woman mentioned above, on Dec 9 (damages listed at $2,991 -- in excess of the $1,500 felony threshold) Several people witnessed the vandalism and have been interviewed by police.


The whole team

* Police are also investigating the alleged rape in December of a 16-year-old girl at an on-campus dorm that houses the Kansas men's basketball team. Five members of the team were listed as witnesses in the assault case.


Sophomore Carlton Bragg
* During the investigation of the alleged rape mentioned above, police found two glass smoking devices with residue. Bragg was granted diversion of a charge of possession of drug paraphernalia. He remains suspended indefinitely from the team.

The diversion agreement was reached Wednesday, Feb 1, after criminal charges were filed in Lawrence Municipal Court on Monday, said Supervising City Prosecutor Elizabeth Hafoka, who did not immediately have details of the terms.

If Bragg meets those terms, the charge will be dropped, according to the city prosecutor's website. If he does not, the charges will be reinstated. The site says diversion is only for first-time offenders and those who don't seem likely to engage in further criminal activity.


* Bragg was previously suspended in December for misdemeanor battery charges against a woman that were later dropped. The woman, Saleeha Soofi was charged with battery and pleaded not guilty.

UPDATE on Bragg: Bragg was reinstated Feb 6, just in time for the game at Kansas Sate, where Kansas survived, 74-71. Bragg played 13 minutes off the bench, was 3-4 from the field, 6 points, 3 rebounds (2 of which were offensive), 2 assists.


Source: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...h-jackson-kansas-jayhawks-eyed-vandalism-case
 
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