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Iowa has a really good player and a few good players
Baylor and the Zags have 3-4 really good players
Baylor and the Zags have 3-4 really good players
I just don’t see anyway that Weiskamp plays in the league.
I don’t know really what he excels at that would get him on a team.
Difference is athleticism and defense which kind of go hand in hand. They can survive bad shooting games and win because of their defense. The other day when Baylor played T Tech, their best player, Butler, only had 7 points and was 2-11 yet they still beat a top 15 team on the road by 8.
Oh he will definitely get a shot in the League. He has a great shot, has size and rebounds well for a guard. He has a PER of 23.2 this year. Doesn't mean he is going to be a star in the league or anything but I can see him on the bench in the NBA
So did Uthoff & Jok. Jok will never make a roster & Uthoff has suited for very limited games in his career.
Wieskamp is better than Jok including being a better defender. I think he will have a shot. A lot has to do with how you improve yourself once you leave school and if you get with the right org.
Across the board, Iowa is inferior athletically to the top teams when looking at the players who get most of the minutes. They just don't have the pure quickness, lateral movement and outright speed that those top tier teams have. We see it on display nearly every game.
Could Iowa be a better defensive team than they are? Absolutely. But they have a ceiling that is significantly lower than the elites like Baylor and Gonzaga.
Garza has made himself a somewhat below average defender through his seemingly unlimited relentlessness and work effort. What he can't make up for on that end is the lack of lateral movement, quickness, leaping ability, outright speed. Bohannon is a gifted pure shooter who is regularly beat like a drum by opposing PGs. It's honestly surprising he's been effective as he has given his lack of quickness/speed.
With Garza as the focal point on O, they are a thing of beauty to watch on that end when the outside shots are falling. It's not quite the opposite on the D end, but they are almost like opposing forces when you consider how effective and efficient they can be offensively vs how incompetent they are defensively. Some of it is effort on the D end, but I think a lot of it is the lack of athleticism in important players.
Could Iowa be a better defensive team than they are? Absolutely. But they have a ceiling that is significantly lower than the elites like Baylor and Gonzaga.
Garza has made himself a somewhat below average defender through his seemingly unlimited relentlessness and work effort. What he can't make up for on that end is the lack of lateral movement, quickness, leaping ability, outright speed. Bohannon is a gifted pure shooter who is regularly beat like a drum by opposing PGs. It's honestly surprising he's been effective as he has given his lack of quickness/speed.
With Garza as the focal point on O, they are a thing of beauty to watch on that end when the outside shots are falling. It's not quite the opposite on the D end, but they are almost like opposing forces when you consider how effective and efficient they can be offensively vs how incompetent they are defensively. Some of it is effort on the D end, but I think a lot of it is the lack of athleticism in important players.
This is correct. And Iowa is still very limited athletically.
My fear coming into this season was that the expectations were too high. Iowa has a good team and could make a deep run in March if they are hitting shots (duh), but I have always felt a lot of this championship talk was setting up many fans for disappointment.
There have been a lot of college basketball teams over the years more talented than this Iowa team who failed to reach the Final Four. It ain't that easy. The truth is Iowa has an All-American and a collection of players who would not start on most B1G Ten teams. Fran has done an extraordinary job of putting this all together, but the simple fact remains Iowa is not much different than the team they had last year.
Matt Thomas in the Toronto organization is an example of this.
I thought Iowa would be in the #15-20 range this season. Top 4 was out of reasonable reach in my opinion. But, if Iowa makes the Sweet 16, I'll consider it a pretty successful season.
However, that does not excuse the piss poor effort the team put out last night.
Was the effort bad or did they run out of gas in the second half? I'm asking. From what I've read, Indiana wore them down with the D.
I lean towards wearing down a bit ... since Iowa was up by 9 with 12:00 to go. Effort was there, execution ... not so much.
Ummm what? You gna tell me weezy and cj aren’t starting on most other B1G teams? Connor would also start on at least half or better of the B1G teams. Played like garbage last night, but lets not go crazy here, we have a very very good team with a lot of good players. There’s gna be bumps in the road that’s how it works, especially playing in the B1G. Athleticism is worth a lot, but so is experience and cohesion and we have both of those.
There's no reason Iowa should have run out of gas. Indiana's not that good, their bench was limited, and they had foul-trouble. Iowa's effort wasn't even that stellar in the first half, in my opinion. They consistently got up by 5-6 points or so with several opportunities to go up further, even to double digits. However, they seemed to lack focus and get frustrated when Indiana pushed back.
In the 2nd half when Iowa got up by 9, I saw right away Iowa began to ease up again, playing soft like they had the game won at that point. From there, Indiana's effort went into a higher gear, and Iowa's transmission couldn't get out of 2nd.
Debatable. Weezy is about the only other one who would start on most teams. CJ is a good player, but he's coming off the bench on most B1G teams. Connor? Lol.
Unless he improves, I don't think there's a chance he makes it.
JW can make 3's from a set position at a good % and sometimes he's really interested in rebounding. That's all there is.
CJ is averaging 10/game on limited shots, he’s a starter on most every other team. Weezy is a starter on every team, thats not even debatable. Connor, yeah that’s debatable, but i think he would start on quite a few. Every team can use a good glue guy
Completely disagree. Everyone in the NBA is long, VERY long.
JW would get his shot blocked often as he doesn't currently excel at getting the ball out quickly.
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There are a handful of B1G Ten teams Weezy is likely coming off the bench at, depending on position. Regardless, this is all speculative and beside the point.
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I agree, JoeW should get a sniff in NBA. Sticking Depends on if he improves his 3pt shooting a lot.
I've been reading these boards for many years and I've read posts saying:
Piere Pierce, Adam Haluska, Luke Recker, Devyn Marble, Adam Woodbury, Uthoff, Jok, Tyler Cook were going to have possible NBA careers by Hawkeye posters. Marble had a small sniff, Uthoff less sniff, Cook small sniff so far. None have sticked.
The most successful Hawkeye NBA player out of Iowa during that period since Alfrod was Reggie Evans, who was elite at rebounding. I don't see JoeW being as athletic as Haluska and he is probably similar 3pt shooter. Haluska did not stick in NBA.
CJ could start on a lot of teams, but they would want him to shoot more to warrant the PT. He's a 50% 3pt shooter and low turnover guy that doesn't shoot much.
Wieskamp's shot is too slow. If he had a quicker release like, let's say, Kyle Korver, I think he'd certainly have a chance. He also frankly, needs to get stronger. He gets bounced around far too easily when going to the basket.
Wieskamp is shooting around 43% from 3 this season. Last year, he was at 34%.
I wouldn't say he is significantly better than Haluska.
Nailed it with the Korver comparison regarding shot launch. It's amazing that guy stuck around in the league the way he did, and it's that quick shot release that does it. Wieskamp has a significantly slower wind up which would be a major problem with the closeout quickness/speed of most players in the NBA. Also agree with the playing through contact at the bucket. He's definitely made headway, but still has a ways to go to finish through what he'd run up against in the NBA.
Wiesy will end up playing overseas. Not the worst thing in the world. He will still make good money and comeback home a millionaire.
If he comes back there’s every chance he would be the go-to guy for the Hawks next year. Put on some more muscle, work on a quicker release, better ball handling...
He needs some tweaking and improvement in several areas, but there’s always a chance.
There are many teams that would love to have CJ, Connor and JBo. Are they limited in certain areas? Yes, but also excel in certain areas. Connor has like a 4/1 assists/turn over ratio. Bohannon and CJ are very good shooters. All would start on a lot of teams.
Good post and responses. I think the OP hit the nail on the head. Iowa doesn't have the dynamic guards other teams do. I understand Connor has an impressive assist to turnover ratio but that doesn't offset his lack of offense. Jbo is 3-pointer or nothing on offense. Combine the two and you don't have any dribble drive threat or ability to score outside of 3 pointers. As much as I like Joe T. he is a roller coaster.
I lost track of how many guys Miller played but I think it was every scholarship player he had. He kept pushing buttons until things clicked. After a 5 minute fg drought, I would have liked to see Fran get Ulis, Perkins and Joe T. on the floor. Limited body of work, but that mix of players is disruptive on D and brings a different dynamic to the backcourt.
My takeaway is that Iowa not making 3's makes them a one man team.
I lost track of how many guys Miller played but I think it was every scholarship player he had. He kept pushing buttons until things clicked. After a 5 minute fg drought, I would have liked to see Fran get Ulis, Perkins and Joe T. on the floor. Limited body of work, but that mix of players is disruptive on D and brings a different dynamic to the backcourt.
My takeaway is that Iowa not making 3's makes them a one man team.
No way Baylor or zags go 11 minutes or what ever it was with out scoring.... Jesus that was bad
Agree. Put Suggs on Iowa's roster and it's a legit Elite 8 team. Haven't seen Iowa look that bad on offense since the TL days.
Put Suggs on Iowa’s roster and we are number 1. That’s 2 1st team all Americans. The best Center in college bball and the best pt guard. We would be very hard to beat. Connor would have a hard time starting for anyone else. Sorry. He might be a good glue guy but can’t shoot, from 2 or from 3, and he’s just an ok defender. He’s a nice passer but 6 pts a game, 2 rebounds and 3 assists per game would be hard pressed to start anywhere else.
Id guess if you put connor on a team where he NEEDS to score, I think he probably avg’s around 10/ga. He knows his role on this team isn’t to score, its to make the offense flow and hit guys in the right spots. Whats he take, 4 shots a game right now?
Ok, maybe you're not wrong but it's still 100% speculative that Connor would be up to 10 pts a game if he needs to score.
Here's what's irritating for me: it was clear for the majority of the second half that Jordan couldn't buy a bucket and we were having a hard time scoring i.e. Garza facing double/triple teams...
...so - 5 guys on the court - Jordan is way off, Garza getting smothered, Keegan on the bench, Joe T on the bench, and Connor can't compensate at all while being one of the constants on the floor??
Totals 5 points on zero free throw attempts.
SUMMARY: His team is struggling.. He's on the floor.. He doesn't shoot. He doesn't drive. He doesn't get free throw attempts. He didn't get rebounds = Not a good showing for Connor.
Didn’t I read garza touched the ball twice during that 23-3 run that put the game out of reach? That would be the first place id look for why we didn’t win. As for your summary, connor rarely shoots, rarely drives and rarely gets ft attempts, so why is it expected of him then? We’ve been winning lots of games and by a wide margin and in a game where shit hits the fan you’re expecting/wanting him to take over? If i were you id put your energy into being pissed at weezy for disappearing in the 2nd half or Jbo for goin 0-9 or fran for his substitutions. Connor is down there a ways on my blame list
