Difference between Iowa and Baylor/Zags

[HawkInArk]

Didn’t I read garza touched the ball twice during that 23-3 run that put the game out of reach? That would be the first place id look for why we didn’t win. As for your summary, connor rarely shoots, rarely drives and rarely gets ft attempts, so why is it expected of him then? We’ve been winning lots of games and by a wide margin and in a game where shit hits the fan you’re expecting/wanting him to take over?

I don't know about Garza only getting 2 touches during that run - didn't see that stat in the lone article I read. Nonetheless if true, even more of a reason to be disappointed in Connor as he's our move-the-ball assist guy right?

Me expecting a player to provide SOMETHING during a massive offensive struggle is far from expecting said player to, in your words, take over.

And yes, JW only having 1 point in the second half is pathetic.

 

[CO_hawk]

I love Garza. I love Iowa bball. Those teams have a bunch of future NBA players. We don’t.

It really is. Iowa could put it all together this year and compete for a conference 🏆, but I doubt it with a team that relies too much on the three point shot. At this point, I just want them to get hot during the NCAA tournament and go on a run.

 

[Slim45]

I don't know about Garza only getting 2 touches during that run - didn't see that stat in the lone article I read. Nonetheless if true, even more of a reason to be disappointed in Connor as he's our move-the-ball assist guy right?

Me expecting a player to provide SOMETHING during a massive offensive struggle is far from expecting said player to, in your words, take over.

And yes, JW only having 1 point in the second half is pathetic.

Yes, it’s a reason to be disappointed in the whole team! They played like shit for 10minutes and scored 3 points! Connor knows his role, it’s not to shoot. I’m not arguing connor didn’t play a role in the loss, obviously he did, he’s a starter and logs heavy minutes. But when the team goes 10minutes with no fg’s, I’m not going to start by blaming the guy that wasn’t shooting and missing!
Gets old after every loss seeing, ohh connor can’t score he’s just a liability and his defender can just sag off onto garza and clog stuff up. Well seems like it’s worked out pretty well for the team most of the year!

 

[HawkLogic]

Didn’t I read garza touched the ball twice during that 23-3 run that put the game out of reach? That would be the first place id look for why we didn’t win. As for your summary, connor rarely shoots, rarely drives and rarely gets ft attempts, so why is it expected of him then? We’ve been winning lots of games and by a wide margin and in a game where shit hits the fan you’re expecting/wanting him to take over? If i were you id put your energy into being pissed at weezy for disappearing in the 2nd half or Jbo for goin 0-9 or fran for his substitutions. Connor is down there a ways on my blame list

No duh, Connor is not responsible for scoring he drought because Connor is not a skilled shooter and can't carry a team. Connor is a facilitator, so you need other guys making shots. When the other guys are not making shots and you play Connor, you are just putting out another guy that can't make shots. Iowa has 4 primary/highly effective 3pt shooters...JBO, Fredrick, Garza, JoeW..... JBO was way off, Fredrick was on bench, JoeW got shutdown in 2nd half, Garza got mauled....there you go---scoring drought.

Finding guys that can shoot/score is always harder than finding role players that do one thing well.

In retrospect, defense can generate offense via turnovers. Fran should have gone with JoeT, Ulis, Keegan, KrisM, and Garza and sped up the game. PMAC is decent on the press, but he was shooting bricks.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Their head coaches game plan for their opponents and adjust their lineups accordingly?

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Yes, it’s a reason to be disappointed in the whole team! They played like shit for 10minutes and scored 3 points! Connor knows his role, it’s not to shoot. I’m not arguing connor didn’t play a role in the loss, obviously he did, he’s a starter and logs heavy minutes. But when the team goes 10minutes with no fg’s, I’m not going to start by blaming the guy that wasn’t shooting and missing!
Gets old after every loss seeing, ohh connor can’t score he’s just a liability and his defender can just sag off onto garza and clog stuff up. Well seems like it’s worked out pretty well for the team most of the year!

pretty sure he was 0-4 at one point so yes, he was shooting and missing. But nice rant.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

The biggest difference between Iowa and Baylor/Gonzaga is simply this: Iowa plays in the Big Ten and the other two don't.

 

[Ronman]

I've read some post-game comments by Luka. His is pissed at himself, and to some degree, the team, for allowing this one to slip away and he has pledged to redouble his efforts to make sure it doesn't happen again. Not sure how much more he can do, but at least he didn't just shrug off the loss.

 

[retrodent]

Iowa has a really good player and a few good players
Baylor and the Zags have 3-4 really good players

If all our stars shoot their average percentage then we hang with all. When CJ , Jordan or wheezy struggle —we lose

 

[HawkInArk]

Yes, it’s a reason to be disappointed in the whole team! They played like shit for 10minutes and scored 3 points! Connor knows his role, it’s not to shoot. I’m not arguing connor didn’t play a role in the loss, obviously he did, he’s a starter and logs heavy minutes. But when the team goes 10minutes with no fg’s, I’m not going to start by blaming the guy that wasn’t shooting and missing!
Gets old after every loss seeing, ohh connor can’t score he’s just a liability and his defender can just sag off onto garza and clog stuff up. Well seems like it’s worked out pretty well for the team most of the year!

I guess what I've been getting at is compensation..

..if your guys on the floor are struggling and the OTHER guy you have on the floor isn't one to even remotely compensate for the scoring struggles, what do you have? No scoring.

Compensating is not asking for a take over. It would more so be turning yourself into a bit of a threat so the defense might have to consider you. This could open things back up to guys like Garza in a hurry.

 

[Slim45]

pretty sure he was 0-4 at one point so yes, he was shooting and missing. But nice rant.

Ended 2-5 lol but carry on

 

[BBHawk]

Iowa has a really good player and a few good players
Baylor and the Zags have 3-4 really good players

Iowa plays in a real conference. Baylor and Gonzaga don't.

 

[littlez]

Big 12 is really good this year. Baylor is better than anyone in the Big Ten.

 

[86Hawkeye]

Difference is athleticism and defense which kind of go hand in hand. They can survive bad shooting games and win because of their defense. The other day when Baylor played T Tech, their best player, Butler, only had 7 points and was 2-11 yet they still beat a top 15 team on the road by 8.

This is spot on. Athleticism.

 

[BBHawk]

Big 12 is really good this year. Baylor is better than anyone in the Big Ten.

Uh huh. After Baylor, what B12 team finishes in the top 5 of the B10?

 

[denmar81]

Difference is athleticism and defense which kind of go hand in hand. They can survive bad shooting games and win because of their defense. The other day when Baylor played T Tech, their best player, Butler, only had 7 points and was 2-11 yet they still beat a top 15 team on the road by 8.

This^^^ If Iowa could play consistent defense the off nights on offense wouldn’t be as concerning.

 

[1inamillion]

This is correct. And Iowa is still very limited athletically.

My fear coming into this season was that the expectations were too high. Iowa has a good team and could make a deep run in March if they are hitting shots (duh), but I have always felt a lot of this championship talk was setting up many fans for disappointment.

There have been a lot of college basketball teams over the years more talented than this Iowa team who failed to reach the Final Four. It ain't that easy. The truth is Iowa has an All-American and a collection of players who would not start on most B1G Ten teams. Fran has done an extraordinary job of putting this all together, but the simple fact remains Iowa is not much different than the team they had last year.

So the players of the year in Iowa and Kentucky and the all time 3 point shooter could not play for other big 10 teams. Also this team has been a consensus top 4 team most of the year. You need to find something else to analyze. Basketball is not your thing.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

So the players of the year in Iowa and Kentucky and the all time 3 point shooter could not play for other big 10 teams. Also this team has been a consensus top 4 team most of the year. You need to find something else to analyze. Basketball is not your thing.

Thanks for the advice. I'll treasure it always.

 

[littlez]

Uh huh. After Baylor, what B12 team finishes in the top 5 of the B10?

Both teams have 5 teams in the top 20 Kenpom Mensa member.

 

[BBHawk]

Both teams have 5 teams in the top 20 Kenpom Mensa member.

So what? You squeaked in a couple late in that group that really don't belong there (Kansas and WV) The B1G has 5 legit top 12 teams, and 8 teams in the top 30. There is no comparison between the leagues.

 

[littlez]

You’re an idiot. Baylor is clearly better than anyone in the Big1G. Texas, Tech, KU, and even Oklahoma are are all good. Ok State didn’t hathdir best player yesterday. They are a dangerous team. Both leagues are tough.

 

[slipHawk]

Iowa looked out of sorts vs Indiana, Fran too. Just a bad game and losing Freddy didn’t help. Garza was working SO hard and it wasn’t paying off like it usually does.

 

[BBHawk]

You’re an idiot. Baylor is clearly better than anyone in the Big1G. Texas, Tech, KU, and even Oklahoma are are all good. Ok State didn’t hathdir best player yesterday. They are a dangerous team. Both leagues are tough.

Your opinion. I agree that Baylor is good and would probably win in the B1G but the rest of the league is not near that level. We'll let the NCAA tournament prove which league is the best.

 

[HawkInArk]

Your opinion. I agree that Baylor is good and would probably win in the B1G but the rest of the league is not near that level. We'll let the NCAA tournament prove which league is the best.

Baylor is really, really good but yes it's speculation as to who'd do what in the other's conference.

The tournament will definitely provide more clarity as to which team and conference is superior.