New Story Discrimination Lawsuits Dismissed Against Iowa Football Coaches
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And what exactly would he get? Those players don't have anything and lawyers would just eat it up. Would it clear his name in the public?
Chris could start his own sports performance business and I would guarantee he would see tremendous business from athletes.
Him being removed WITHOUT prejudice is far from him being exonerated of any wrongdoing. Even with prejudice. The 2 investigations that showed racial bias are 10000x more significant than him being named in any civil lawsuit. Read my post above. You can be dropped from a civil lawsuit and still be guilty. IF Doyle tried to sue for defamation he would have to prove that he was not racially bias or racist. Him being dropped from this means nothing. Even if someone settles a civil lawsuit it doesn't mean they are guilty. they may not want to pay to fight it.
I am sure that was worked into his sweetheart of a deal with Barta years ago.
It "means nothing" is a bit of a broad statment. If it mean nothing, what's the point.
I'd suggest it means they don't have enough of a case to ca$h in so they're giving up on that angle.
BS. IF the U of I went to the plaintiff and said lets settle for 500k or whatever, and the coaches said hell no then the U of I can not settle with the coaches on the defendant line. So you remove the coaches and settle with the university. Has nothing to do with enough evidence. From everything Ive read this is seemingly the case. Why wouldn't they drop the coaches if this is the path of least resistance?
I was in a case once where a patient sued me because I did not treat her because she did not sign the informed consent and she was verbally abusive to my staff. Sued for $500. My malpractice wanted to just give her the money and not fight. I said hell no because that would go on my record. It was obviously thrown out but probably cost my carrier and the court system thousands of dollars. Like in my case, the U of I is like my malpractice carrier, they would rather pay it and move on. guilty or not guilty. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if they have mounting evidence against the coaches or not, if the U of I wants to settle then they will remove the coaches and settle with the university. Just like my patient would have if she could. Even if I did something wrong I would have fought it to keep it off my record. They can get guaranteed money the easy way (remove coaches) or try and get it the hard way (keep the coaches on it).
Maybe to make Wadley sweat some.
I don't know. But I believe he could if wanted to.
That is the only context in which dropping the individual defendants makes sense. It is very damaging to the plaintiffs' cases in every other way.
However, knowing a few of the people involved I do not think the University is going to settle. It increasingly appears the U (e.g. the State) is going to force the Plaintiffs to walk away.
I have a question for attorney's . . When you look at a culture, they are built on norms in a society. Iowa is a predominately white society. When a player accepts to get a free education and moves to the new area for a monetary value (free education), they should except the norms of the society ( they have free will to go where-ever). I think it is important to know your place, the norms in Jackson Mississippi may be much different then Iowa city, neither make any place better, just different. Iowa's culture doesn't recognize wearing pants below a persons bottom and picks in the hair as a norm, just different. Thus rules Iowa made in my opinion were just to make everyone the same, one team. I would like to know how that is racist.
Good points. I don't know anything about your case, but I'm guessing there are some differences.
I do know this...it's been over 2 years since this fiasco began and the plaintiffs haven't been able to get anything. That tells you something about the strength of their case.
The legal system works at a snails pace and 2020 made it worse. My case lasted over 2 years over $500. The lady was crazy (for real) and had 7 other suits going at the same time. She represented herself and took it through 3 dismissals. So yes, this long isn't abnormal.
Even if Iowa is a "predominantly white society," it has laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race:
Iowa Code section 216.9
Unfair or discriminatory practices — education.
1. It is an unfair or discriminatory practice for any educational institution to discriminate on the basis of race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, or disability in any program or activity. Such discriminatory practices shall include but not be limited to the following practices:a. Exclusion of a person or persons from participation in, denial of the benefits of, or subjection to discrimination in any academic, extracurricular, research, occupational training, or other program or activity except athletic programs;
b. Denial of comparable opportunity in intramural and interscholastic athletic programs;
c. Discrimination among persons in employment and the conditions of employment;
d. On the basis of sex, the application of any rule concerning the actual or potential parental, family or marital status of a person, or the exclusion of any person from any program or activity or employment because of pregnancy or related conditions dependent upon the physician’s diagnosis and certification.
To the extent that your question is whether a coaching staff could adopt uniform, race-neutral rules for dress and appearance of Iowa players, they could do so. If a coaching staff had one set of rules for white athletes, and a different set of rules for black athletes, that would be illegally discriminatory.
no way... I never said that... I said cultures are build on the norms of their society.. America is large, and when people move, you adapt to their way of living. My point is,, If I move to El Paso (on the border) for a job, I would probably eat more mexican food then pizza. Is the the town of El Paso Racisit that I could not find a better Pizza parlor. I have the choice to leave my job and find another one. If I moved to San Fran and decided to live in China town, can I call San Fran racist because most of the food is chinese?? My point was to look at the many cultures in America. America is great. It's great because we have so many cultures. The problem is cultural norms of a society in which one race/religon dominates. People have to adapt. More just a topic of discussion, please let me know how I am wrong.
To the extent that your question is whether a coaching staff could adopt uniform, race-neutral rules for dress and appearance of Iowa players, they could do so. If a coaching staff had one set of rules for white athletes, and a different set of rules for black athletes, that would be illegally discriminatory..
100% agree.... I had listened to the washed up walkon podcast. Take that for what you want. Tyler Kluver said Doyle kicked him out of practice for spitting on the field. Drake said he was probably drug tested more then anyone on the team. But they did note, when you had your free-be drug test, those who failed were more likely to be tested again. It appeared when they spoke to Jordan Lomax, many of the black players did not know white players were being disaplined for many of the same reasons they were calling for racism.
I don't think that iowahaha's intent was along the lines you suggested - although the intent was not expressed in the most clear manner.
I think that the most succinct phrasing may be ... when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Or at least facets of the meaning of that phrase may apply.
For example, I'm not religious ... yet at most of the places I've lived, there are churches around every corner. I'm not so delusional to expect that those around me will embrace all facets of who I am. Of course, that isn't required ... ideally we all can attempt to understand one another though. Thus, while I am in Rome - I may not entirely behave as a Roman ... but how I present myself, in the context of religion, need not be obtrusive or antagonistic.
On the flip side ... culture is not static. It can and must evolve - and do so in response to changes in demographics, different circumstances, media, technology etc. Culture does not just live in the past. Also, not all laws/views promoting/enforcing localized norms are just/fair. Thus, some metaphorical walls NEED to be torn down.
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This is why the coaches were removed....they knew U of I would settle.
$4M to be paid in Iowa football discrimination suit; Kirk Ferentz 'disappointed' in result
A lawsuit that was filed in November 2020 claiming Kirk Ferentz oversaw a racially discriminatory culture has reached a settlement agreement.
www.desmoinesregister.com
No way!!! wtf I don't mind Barta being gone but the stigma will never wash away. Barta should be fired - he knew all along this was sitting on a powder keg.This is why the coaches were removed....they knew U of I would settle.
$4M to be paid in Iowa football discrimination suit; Kirk Ferentz 'disappointed' in result
A lawsuit that was filed in November 2020 claiming Kirk Ferentz oversaw a racially discriminatory culture has reached a settlement agreement.www.desmoinesregister.com
Our recruiting classes have not dropped off. The thing is the stigma was put in place 3 years ago and was never gonna be gone because the accusation is broadcast widely and years later any resolution is not given the same coverage.
Players wanted their $185,000 each.This is why the coaches were removed....they knew U of I would settle.
$4M to be paid in Iowa football discrimination suit; Kirk Ferentz 'disappointed' in result
A lawsuit that was filed in November 2020 claiming Kirk Ferentz oversaw a racially discriminatory culture has reached a settlement agreement.www.desmoinesregister.com
Now that Wadley will have enough cash to buy footballs will he buy some and autograph them and send them to people he stiffed or just pay them their cash back?
I read the proverbial room wrong . . . it is now clear that dismissing the indivdiduals was done to clear the path for the $4M+ settlement. Clearly in the works when the parties were meeting with the Court on 2/21 and 2/23. There can be little doubt that the parties told Judge Adams on 2/23 that a settlement had been reached.
Cleared of the lawsuit? Yes, given that was part of the settlement. Cleared of wrongdoing? No. Did they do wrong? Who knows.
Technically yes, but this will be a stain forever on them. Can't believe after all this time, they decided to settle.
UI wants to settle for 4.2 million. I disagree, if you have no guilt, don't settle.
www.kcrg.com
Hawkeyes request $4.2 million to settle football discrimination case
Gary Barta and the University of Iowa Athletic Department are requesting a state panel approve a $7 million settlement, including $2 million from the state general fund, to settle a discrimination lawsuit from Black former football players.
Not at all,... From the coaches perspective this will quickly pass, and if remembered at all, the whole episode will be recalled primarily as a dropped suit.
Ok. Now I understand your question.
My answer is "I don't know but I'd be stunned if the settlement involved the players retaining a cause of action against any individual coach or administrator."
The answer certainly lies within the written terms of the settlement agreement. It likely releases from liability not only the State of Iowa and Board of Regents but all employees (including past and present coaches and past and present members of the athletic department).
Not sure if this was posted yet: Statement from KF.
I am greatly disappointed in how this legal matter was resolved. However, I am grateful for the
many players, parents, donors, fans, and others who remained supportive of our coaches and
program during this time.
The settlement negotiations took place between plaintiff's counsel and the lowa Attorney
General's Office which represents the University of lowa and the Board of Regents. These
discussions took place entirely without the knowledge or consent of the coaches who were
named in the lawsuit. In fact, the parties originally named disagree with the decision to settle,
fully believing that the case would have been dismissed with prejudice before trial.
A motion for summary judgement was filed which outlined why the case should have been
dismissed. Unfortunately, this settlement was reached between the plaintiff's attorneys and
the lowa Attorney General's Office before the judge had an opportunity to rule on the motion.
We have been told the reason for the settlement is financial. As a part of the settlement, the
coaches named were dismissed from the lawsuit and there is no admission of any wrongdoing.
I am greatly disappointed in how this legal matter was resolved. However, I am grateful for the
many players, parents, donors, fans, and others who remained supportive of our coaches and
program during this time.
The settlement negotiations took place between plaintiff's counsel and the lowa Attorney
General's Office which represents the University of lowa and the Board of Regents. These
discussions took place entirely without the knowledge or consent of the coaches who were
named in the lawsuit. In fact, the parties originally named disagree with the decision to settle,
fully believing that the case would have been dismissed with prejudice before trial.
A motion for summary judgement was filed which outlined why the case should have been
dismissed. Unfortunately, this settlement was reached between the plaintiff's attorneys and
the lowa Attorney General's Office before the judge had an opportunity to rule on the motion.
We have been told the reason for the settlement is financial. As a part of the settlement, the
coaches named were dismissed from the lawsuit and there is no admission of any wrongdoing.
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Sorry,...missed this part:
For more than two years our program has been unfairly and negatively impacted by these allegations. members of the staff had their character and reputation tarnished by former members of our team who said things then recanted many statements when questioned under oath.
Today we move forward. My focus is entirely on the players, coaches and staff as we prepare for the 2023 season.
Aside from the negative recruiting that will persist to trick young, gullible and easily impressionable teenagers not to go to Iowa because the staff are a bunch of racists and bullies.......................
The Ferentz family is no longer part of the suit as has been discussed already. They don't have a dog in the fight anymore.......
Doyle can't sue, I don't believe. He signed away that right when he took the cash when he left....
