Do You Feel a Conflict Between Your Religion* and American Culture Today?

[Titus Andronicus]

Politics have become a disproportionate part of American culture IMO. I don't know how any self-professing Christian can reconcile their faith with Trump but not only have many individually but corporately as well.

All of the sexual nonsense is way in the past. He has upped his Christianity game immensely since the 2016 election ... no inuendo, no locker room talk, no touching, no sniffing, nothing. His worst offense or crossing of any lines has been to comment on Kari Lake's (Iowa's own Kari Lake) good looks ... and he does seem to appreciate having attractive assistants, associates, etc. (Being attractive is in many ways a Christian obligation; that be the best you can be, fully realize yourself, and so on ... that stuff)

I think that Melania has been a really positive force in his life. I do not think he could do this without her ... and she knows it. That is a very strong Christian marriage. She knows his character cold, is always in his corner and has never let him down ... and he knows this as well.

I think his "Life journey" has been a Christian success story. I would call it inspiring actually. Since he is being treated extra ordinarily well by the "Most Christian" folks among us, I would suggest that his journey back to the values taught in the Hebrew bible is being noticed by a lot of people.
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The felony stuff? I think everyone in the country knows that is all based on contorted and manufactured evidence brought forward by some very non-Christian people. Those who believe in second chances and that a "day of reckoning" is always pending no matter who you are quietly biding their time ... and voting.

 

[DFSNOLE]

All of the sexual nonsense is way in the past. He has upped his Christianity game immensely since the 2016 election ... no inuendo, no touching, no sniffing, nothing. His worst offense or crossing of any lines has been to comment on Kari Lake's (Iowa's own Kari Lake) good looks ... and he does seem to appreciate having attractive assistants, associates, etc. (Being attractive is in many ways a Christian obligation; that be the best you can be, fully realize yourself, and so on ... that stuff)

I think that Melania has been a really positive force in his life. I do not think he could do this without her ... and she knows it. That is a very strong Christian marriage. She knows his character cold, is always in his corner and has never let him down ... and he knows this as well.

I think his "Life journey" has been a Christian success story. I would call it inspiring actually. Since he is being treated extra ordinarily well by the "Most Christian" folks among us, I would suggest that his journey back to the values taught in the Hebrew bible is being noticed by a lot of people.
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The felony stuff? I think everyone in the country knows that is all based on contorted and manufactured evidence brought forward by some very non-Christian people. Those who believe in second chances and that a "day of reckoning" is always pending no matter who you are quietly biding their time ... and voting.

That's some strong Trump Defense Syndrome right there. Keep rationalizing your support for an unrepentant, amoral, narcissistic, State secret stealing, convicted felon and adjudicated rapist. Whatever allows you to sleep at night.

 

[DFSNOLE]

If the context of this statement is just the United States, I would agree with you.

However, in the context of the world, the opposite is true. Muslims are killing Christians in Niger and Nigeria as we speak. Christians in South Sudan have been slaughtered, raped, converted by Muslims. Christian Kurds are being targeted by both Sunni and Shias and face extinction. Muslims have practiced forced conversions throughout Malaysia and SE Asia in the past half-century.

Oh, and Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah….

This thread and the post I was responding to, is about what is happening in the US.

 

[globalhawk]

Of course religion and politics are in conflict. They aren't dependent on one another at all.

For example:

Church: gay marriage is sin.
State: gay marriage great, check married filing jointly box.

I'm certain Jesus would be against abortion and border walls.

Dems: Yay Abortion!
Rs: build the wall!

Jews believe that a fetus is mere water before 40 days. Wasn't Jesus a Jew?

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

America is mostly atheist now so yes.

Absolutely not true

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

It's much higher than that poll indicates, IMO.

80% of Americans don't attend Church weekly and most Americans don't even belong to a Church.

"According to recent Gallup data, the statement is largely accurate: around 80% of Americans do not attend church weekly; with only about 20% reporting they attend religious services every week or almost every week."

U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time

For the first time in Gallup's polling history, less than half of U.S. adults report belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque.

news.gallup.com

Being Catholic you confuse Christian faith with church.

 

[globalhawk]

"In an NBC interview on Tuesday, Vice President Kamala Harris let slip a shocking position that is rarely, if ever, heard from a politician, much less a presidential candidate. She said that no conscience concessions should be afforded to health-care providers who object to performing abortions.

In other words, doctors, nurses and other medical providers should not be allowed to refuse to perform abortions because of their faith or ethics."

If you refuse to serve any citizen of your choice should you receive Federal funding? That doesn't seem right.

 

[Titus Andronicus]

That's some strong Trump Defense Syndrome right there. Keep rationalizing your support for an unrepentant, amoral, narcissistic, State secret stealing, convicted felon and adjudicated rapist. Whatever allows you to sleep at night.

How can he steal state secrets when he IS/WAS the state. They were his secrets after all.

 

[DFSNOLE]

How can he steal state secrets when he IS/WAS the state. They were his secrets after all.

Was he supposed to have them at Mar a Lago? After his term was over? The answer is no to both.

He then made the situation worse for himself by lying (I give you a minute to get over the shock of that!) about what he had and hiding it from the FBI. Again, keep rationalizing.

 

[funksouljon]

It's my estimate based on 80% of Americans rarely attending religious services plus the outright hostility to Christianity from a large portion of society.

If America has a majority religion, it's materialism, greed and selfishness, IMO.

Hint. There are religions other than Christianity. Muslims face more hostility than Christians.

While I agree that corporate worship is biblical, you claiming those who don't atrend are atheist, is wildly incorrect.

Pretty sure this topic came up before with Brian. And he absolutely applies his standard of worship to be the litmus. And apparently creates his own polls to support his belief (80% rarely attend). Which is exactly what this thread is about, someone's belief superseding other people's freedom and approach to spiritualism.

There is also a recurring theme by many on the Right that folks on the Left are nonsecular, regardless of what the Lefty believes. Plenty of that talk about Biden. Its <generally> the same "we have all the guns" people.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

If you refuse to serve any citizen of your choice should you receive Federal funding? That doesn't seem right.

An individual doctor does not receive federal funding. A hospital system may though. Therefore, an individual doctor should be able to refuse while the hospital system the doctor works for likely would not refuse (by assigning a different doctor).

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Jews believe that a fetus is mere water before 40 days. Wasn't Jesus a Jew?

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you“

Jeremiah 1:5 (NIV)

 

[globalhawk]

An individual doctor does not receive federal funding. A hospital system may though. Therefore, an individual doctor should be able to refuse while the hospital system the doctor works for likely would not refuse (by assigning a different doctor).

Catholic hospitals can refuse any abortions by all doctors. They still receive federal funding. Do a quick search.

 

[globalhawk]

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you“

Jeremiah 1:5 (NIV)

What is the Jewish stance on abortion? You are struggling.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Catholic hospitals can refuse any abortions by all doctors. They still receive federal funding. Do a quick search.

Yes! Fantastic isn’t it!

 

[globalhawk]

Yes! Fantastic isn’t it!

So you have no point. Got it.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

What is the Jewish stance on abortion? You are struggling.

I am aware, but what difference does that make? Should abortion policy be based on what Torah says?

 

[LuciousBDragon]

So you have no point. Got it.

Point is, the US Federal Government is not in the hospital business. So they support those that are.

 

[globalhawk]

I am aware, but what difference does that make? Should abortion policy be based on what Torah says?

Apparently you just want to talk in circles. Answer this question. If a hospital can refuse to serve any patient it wants does it deserve federal funding?

 

[LuciousBDragon]

What is the Jewish stance on abortion? You are struggling.

What is the conservative/orthodox Jewish stance on abortion?

 

[globalhawk]

Point is, the US Federal Government is not in the hospital business. So they support those that are.

I get it. You are not serious and never spent ANY time in healthcare. The government is heavily involved in the industry.

 

[globalhawk]

What is the conservative/orthodox Jewish stance on abortion?

Circles.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Apparently you just want to talk in circles. Answer this question. If a hospital can refuse to serve any patient it wants does it deserve federal funding?

Sure! Liberty & freedom! How many refusals of service have occurred in this century? If it is a large number, we should discuss more. If it is a small number, then you have a less than stellar argument.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

I get it. You are not serious and never spent ANY time in healthcare. The government is heavily involved in the industry.

Involved =/= In

 

[globalhawk]

Sure! Liberty & freedom! How many refusals of service have occurred in this century? If it is a large number, we should discuss more. If it is a small number, then you have a less than stellar argument.

Still not making any sense.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Circles.

So you don’t know or you know and don’t want to admit it?

 

[globalhawk]

So you don’t know or you know and don’t want to admit it?

Does that represent the stance of the Jewish faith? Answer that question. I noticed you don't like to do that. Going all Seminole.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Still not making any sense.

It makes sense! Quantify the issue to determine how important it is. Put some facts & data behind your argument. How often does it happen?

 

[globalhawk]

It makes sense! Quantify the issue to determine how important it is. Put some facts & data behind your argument. How often does it happen?

Again. If a hospital has the ability to deny ANY patient needed service should they receive federal funding? Where are you facts. You are funny.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Does that represent the stance of the Jewish faith? Answer that question. I noticed you don't like to do that. Going all Seminole.

Yes! To conservative and Orthodox Jews, most are aligned. You seem to think this is a simple, binary argument. It is not.

 

[globalhawk]

Yes! To conservative and Orthodox Jews, most are aligned. You seem to think this is a simple, binary argument. It is not.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Again. If a hospital has the ability to deny ANY patient needed service should they receive federal funding? Where are you facts. You are funny.

Define “needed.” Yes, a hospital cannot and should not be compelled by government to provide service that is antithetical to its beliefs. But, if the hospital provides services to others than it should be eligible to receive should the government desire to fund them.

 

[globalhawk]

Yes! To conservative and Orthodox Jews, most are aligned. You seem to think this is a simple, binary argument. It is not.

I assume you don't believe in the separation of Church and State then.

 

[globalhawk]

Define “needed.” Yes, a hospital cannot and should not be compelled by government to provide service that is antithetical to its beliefs. But, if the hospital provides services to others than it should be eligible to receive should the government desire to fund them.

Okay. Then they shouldn't receive government funding.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Okay. Then they shouldn't receive government funding.

Why?

If a hospital serves 10,000 patients in a year that helps citizens but denies 1, they are no longer worthy?

How many times does denial of service happen? Is this a real problem or is the media scaring you to think this is a problem?

 

[globalhawk]

Why?

If a hospital serves 10,000 patients in a year that helps citizens but denies 1, they are no longer worthy?

How many times does denial of service happen? Is this a real problem or is the media scaring you to think this is a problem?

Has nothing to do with how many. It's the premise that a person can be denied healthcare base on the hospital's religious beliefs. You are more than welcome to deny just don't expect federal money that ALL taxpayers supply. Can you tell me why an institution that taxpayers are helping fund can decide whom to serve?

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Has nothing to do with how many. It's the premise that a person can be denied healthcare base on the hospital's religious beliefs. You are more than welcome to deny just don't expect federal money that ALL taxpayers supply. Can you tell me why an institution that taxpayers are helping fund can decide whom to serve?

But, does this actually happen? Is this a real problem or a problem the media has told you is a problem but isn’t?

In the real world, you have to quantify the problem before you can actually solve it. Can you quantify this?

 

[globalhawk]

But, does this actually happen? Is this a real problem or a problem the media has told you is a problem but isn’t?

In the real world, you have to quantify the problem before you can actually solve it. Can you quantify this?

Stay focused on the topic. Also, a simple Google search shows you what services are denied by Catholic hospitals. Circles. You aren't serious. Go Seminoles and I love Woppers. I will probably drink some Whiskey and shoot my Rifle with Mr. Vickers a bit later.

 

[Sullivan]

That's some strong Trump Defense Syndrome right there. Keep rationalizing your support for an unrepentant, amoral, narcissistic, State secret stealing, convicted felon and adjudicated rapist. Whatever allows you to sleep at night.

It’s going to be a long 4 years for you.

Your party just spent billions on a Presidential race, and yet lost the White House, Senate, and House.

 

[BrianNole777]

Pretty sure this topic came up before with Brian. And he absolutely applies his standard of worship to be the litmus. And apparently creates his own polls to support his belief (80% rarely attend). Which is exactly what this thread is about, someone's belief superseding other people's freedom and approach to spiritualism.

Church decline is just one metric I use. I've talked to hundreds of people online and in person the last decade and almost all of them are essentially atheists.

This isn't an exact science obviously, just my estimate.