Does anybody else think it is time to modernize the offense
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I don't know if modernize is the right word but our offense sucks. Maybe it's just semantics.
It's fairly modern, and quite effective when executed. It's not like we're running the Wing T.
Mods please move this to the post like it's 1985 thread.
I've been saying we need to switch to the Veer for the last 7 years.
If, as Kirk says, we can't get the recruits to Iowa City to compete on a regular basis, then we should make the offense fit the recruits, not the other way around. That way, a guy won't have to be "in the system" for three years before he can play.
It's time to do what the military academies do and embrace our limitations.
If, as Kirk says, we can't get the recruits to Iowa City to compete on a regular basis, then we should make the offense fit the recruits, not the other way around. That way, a guy won't have to be "in the system" for three years before he can play.
It's time to do what the military academies do and embrace our limitations.
He says this every year to his players, but has mentioned it in the media a few times.
I'm not saying he didn't say it, but I've never have heard it, seen it, and can't find any reference to it. I doubt that he said it. Can someone find it, because I've looked everywhere.
I took a poll of the entire Big Ten. Results are: 13/14th's of the conference say no, Iowa should not change it's offense.
Pro-style vs college-style offense? That is the question...
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“Spread” vs “pro-style” isn’t even really a question anymore as nearly every program uses spread formations. The question now is “pro-style” vs “college-style” approaches to how to use the space created by the spread.
We’ve spent a lot of space here trying to nail down what exactly it means for an offense to be “pro-style” these days and what we should call offenses that are “pro-style” in the classic sense. Meaning that they utilize a tight end and a fullback to help feature their star tailback in a run-centric offense.
Those offenses are increasingly rare at the college level and virtually non-existent in the pros. Over at Football Outsiders, Bryan Knowles broke down what exactly pro offenses look like these days.
The most common package for every NFL team, the base package for every team, and the most effective personnel package in the pros is this one...
...three receivers, a running back, and a tight end that can line up next to a tackle or flexed out wide as a fourth receiver. This is “11 personnel” (one RB, one TE) and it’s hard to beat for setting an offense up to run West Coast and concept-based passing attacks of the sort that are most reliable for attacking modern defenses.
As Clemson demonstrated against Alabama, it’s very hard to run the ball against the best teams these days but it’s even harder for even the best defenses to hold up to a modern passing attack.
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2...-that-is-the-question-alabama-michigan-spread
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“Spread” vs “pro-style” isn’t even really a question anymore as nearly every program uses spread formations. The question now is “pro-style” vs “college-style” approaches to how to use the space created by the spread.
We’ve spent a lot of space here trying to nail down what exactly it means for an offense to be “pro-style” these days and what we should call offenses that are “pro-style” in the classic sense. Meaning that they utilize a tight end and a fullback to help feature their star tailback in a run-centric offense.
Those offenses are increasingly rare at the college level and virtually non-existent in the pros. Over at Football Outsiders, Bryan Knowles broke down what exactly pro offenses look like these days.
The most common package for every NFL team, the base package for every team, and the most effective personnel package in the pros is this one...
...three receivers, a running back, and a tight end that can line up next to a tackle or flexed out wide as a fourth receiver. This is “11 personnel” (one RB, one TE) and it’s hard to beat for setting an offense up to run West Coast and concept-based passing attacks of the sort that are most reliable for attacking modern defenses.
As Clemson demonstrated against Alabama, it’s very hard to run the ball against the best teams these days but it’s even harder for even the best defenses to hold up to a modern passing attack.
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2...-that-is-the-question-alabama-michigan-spread
This season was weird. As the execution became worse the offense responded by reverting to the much more simple formations. I suppose that reflected the position on the learning curve. Using the two tight ends and no fullback earlier in the season, which was smart since our best receivers are TEs.
However, it is hard to see any offensive scheme prospering when the line play is as bad as it has been most of the season.
However, it is hard to see any offensive scheme prospering when the line play is as bad as it has been most of the season.
Our system is ok but we are so predictable on our play calling when and where are running the ball we are very right handed with short yardage run stretch play right when everyone blowing the gaps cheat your back and dive with the ball would be more effective.
I certainly think new wrinkles should be added.......specifically implementing more spread formations. Play action is still one of the most effective things going and probably always will be.......but, three things have to happen:
1. The team has to have a running game going (Iowa has not much this year)
2. The team has to have effective receivers (the jury is still out but leaning toward not).
3. The team has to have a qb who can execute and throw accurately. (mixed results this year from Stanley......don't get me wrong, I am still a huge Stanley fan and I think he still has the potential to be a Hawkeye great).
I just wish Kirk knew offense better.......he just doesn't. Why would they spend so much time trying to make space for a talent like Wadley up the middle instead of putting him in situations where he has space and can create better? With a player like Toren Young (who is built for up the middle running). Why would they (at times) just forget about their tight ends (especially when they have two excellent tight ends)? I understand that the line has just been awful this year and I think that has contributed to some of this. However, I didn't see much adjustment to adverse conditions (especially in a winnable game like Purdue).........I guess what I am trying to say is that really what Iowa needs is adjustments made to their offense, more focused recruiting on speed (particularly at the skill positions), and a play caller who isn't afraid to showcase that speed and do what's right for the team.......move the ball.
1. The team has to have a running game going (Iowa has not much this year)
2. The team has to have effective receivers (the jury is still out but leaning toward not).
3. The team has to have a qb who can execute and throw accurately. (mixed results this year from Stanley......don't get me wrong, I am still a huge Stanley fan and I think he still has the potential to be a Hawkeye great).
I just wish Kirk knew offense better.......he just doesn't. Why would they spend so much time trying to make space for a talent like Wadley up the middle instead of putting him in situations where he has space and can create better? With a player like Toren Young (who is built for up the middle running). Why would they (at times) just forget about their tight ends (especially when they have two excellent tight ends)? I understand that the line has just been awful this year and I think that has contributed to some of this. However, I didn't see much adjustment to adverse conditions (especially in a winnable game like Purdue).........I guess what I am trying to say is that really what Iowa needs is adjustments made to their offense, more focused recruiting on speed (particularly at the skill positions), and a play caller who isn't afraid to showcase that speed and do what's right for the team.......move the ball.
why Iowa isn't spreading the defense out by formation to respond to the blitzing is beyond me , it must be against KF philosophy to score points and keep his QBs from getting pounded.
Pro-style vs college-style offense? That is the question...
2
“Spread” vs “pro-style” isn’t even really a question anymore as nearly every program uses spread formations. The question now is “pro-style” vs “college-style” approaches to how to use the space created by the spread.
We’ve spent a lot of space here trying to nail down what exactly it means for an offense to be “pro-style” these days and what we should call offenses that are “pro-style” in the classic sense. Meaning that they utilize a tight end and a fullback to help feature their star tailback in a run-centric offense.
Those offenses are increasingly rare at the college level and virtually non-existent in the pros. Over at Football Outsiders, Bryan Knowles broke down what exactly pro offenses look like these days.
The most common package for every NFL team, the base package for every team, and the most effective personnel package in the pros is this one...
...three receivers, a running back, and a tight end that can line up next to a tackle or flexed out wide as a fourth receiver. This is “11 personnel” (one RB, one TE) and it’s hard to beat for setting an offense up to run West Coast and concept-based passing attacks of the sort that are most reliable for attacking modern defenses.
As Clemson demonstrated against Alabama, it’s very hard to run the ball against the best teams these days but it’s even harder for even the best defenses to hold up to a modern passing attack.
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2...-that-is-the-question-alabama-michigan-spread
Ive never understood why Iowa fans call what we do "pro style" it was pro style 20 years ago maybe.
The spread vs pro style thing is an outdated concept. Its all the same now. Except for Iowa.
How about the defense? They force very few 3 and outs and with the bend but don't break it's not uncommon for the offense to sit on the sidelines for 5 minutes of game possession time before they get the ball back. It's not uncommon to go to half with 4-5 possessions max. It's hard to rack up gawdy stats and points with limited possessions too.
Everyone always knows that Iowa is doing .....what we seem to forget is they don't care ...."stop us if you can" has always been our motto! As our freshmen linemen get a little more time under there belt all the naysayers will disappear until then i'm soooo tired of hearing the crybabies cry!
Everybody knows exactly what Wisconsin's going to do also, the difference is they execute, we do not.
I will reference the Seattle Seahawks as their OL play is horrendous. They run what is called "chaos" for offense. Wilson (and the OC) know that he will have to scramble, and often. The receivers know what routes to run depending on what side he scrambles too - that is called adjusting to what you have. I don't see Seattle shutting themselves down by going to basic, simple plays due to their lack of OL play.
Then our coaches need to teach better if we can't "execute" simple blocking schemes or catching a ball. Our offense (even under KOK and GD) was\is not complicated.
Modernizing our offense is akin to getting a new head coach. I don’t think either is happening anytime soon.
Drop step QB is essentially "Pro Style". As the article stated (and when I went to a clinic where KOK was speaking) you can run a "pro style" from the shotgun just as well as the "spread". KOK ran the spread extremely well before coming to Iowa.
Biggest change required is a QB with some mobility. It’s okay to have a QB that stationary if he is accurate with a quick release and the receivers get separation and catch the ball, but that’s not what we have on a regular basis.
I don't think there are simple blocking schemes with two freshman tackles and two young TE's. LOL. Inconsistent blocking. However, the OP was asking if it were time to modernize the offense, and I am just pointing out that Wisconsin runs basically the same offense, and every team knows what they are going to do, so the style of offense is not the problem, it's executing that offense, Wisconsin this year is, Iowa is not on a consistent basis.
Wiscy does not run the same offensive schemes as Iowa when it comes to run blocking assignments.Fore example - Wiscy's zone run blocking has 2 guys reach and pin while the others zoneblock, iowa's is zone for all but the backside that cut.
Remember when Kirk said he liked Greenbay's offense, saying he wanted to visit/study it in the off season? What ever happened to that brainstorm?
That was never going to happen. He just threw that out there at the same time he was rationalizing why he didn't have time to be on the road doing I Club events. He was going to spend that extra time innovating!
The problem with we don't care if they know what we are doing we will just out execute is that is leaves little margin for error. On days where the players don't execute we lose to bad teams like Purdue.
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