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Donald Trump and Ted Cruz really scare the establishment...

Which is why one of these two needs to be the next president. You know they scare the establishment, business as usual, status quo crowd when they are talking about their ideas in the state of the union and Nikki Haley calling them out in her response.

My vote goes to Trump, but I could stomach Cruz if I had to.
Cruz scares me.

Not so much Trump - although the jury is still out. Hard to figure out what's really going on under the bluster.

I rarely get accused of being the establishment. And never the GOP establishment.
 
This is one of the dumbest excuses I've ever heard to support bigotry.

Where is the excuse in support of bigotry? It's a simple definition of the word, or are you upset because the actual definition doesn't fit within your agenda?
 
Link to ciggy trying to ban Muslims, calling Mexicans rapists, and insisting that thousands of Muslims cheered on 9/11?

Calling someone out for being a bigot doesn't make you bigoted yourself. This is just an insane argument.
It's SOP for the right these days. To them, being a racist is not a problem, but calling someone a racist when they behave like a racist, well that's awful. It's playing the race card. It's being PC. But actually being a racist? - that's not important.
 
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It's SOP for the right these days. To them, being a racist is not a problem, but calling someone a racist when they behave like a racist, well that's awful. It's playing the race card. It's being PC. But actually being a racist? - that's not important.

It's the same people who say they'll vote for Trump because he's honest, never minding the fact that he's being honest about being racist, misogynistic, and bigoted.
 
Link to ciggy trying to ban Muslims, calling Mexicans rapists, and insisting that thousands of Muslims cheered on 9/11?

Calling someone out for being a bigot doesn't make you bigoted yourself. This is just an insane argument.

Bigotry has a wider brush then just race; but I'm not sure you would want to accept that as fact.
 
You still don't agree with the definition of fascism? I'm not really shocked.

Your made-up definition? Nope. That you're not shocked is hardly shocking. That you can hold two diametrically opposed ideas at the same time isn't shocking, either.
 
To the OP... the only people afraid of Trump and Cruz are the higher ups of the Republican Party. If either gain the nomination, you can pencil in yet another WH defeat for the GOP.
 
Yes, he's just as bought by wall st. as Hillary. But hes totally anti establishment.
yes, and look who is hammering cruz over goldman now - the establishment which wishes to totally own the candidate in bush, rather than partially own cruz

this is nothing more than bush wearing a goldman sachs jersey and going to a nascar event
 
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It's becoming painfully obvious that this election will be picking among two bad choices.

But those who felt the GOP had such a strong group of candidates are now being made to look like fools.
 
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It's becoming painfully obvious that this election will be picking among two bad choices.

But those who felt the GOP had such a strong group of candidates are now being made to look like fools.
there's the gop, then there's people with "R" by their name, then there's trump. three categories.
 
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It's becoming painfully obvious that this election will be picking among two bad choices.

But those who felt the GOP had such a strong group of candidates are now being made to look like fools.
It is interesting that this was supposed to be the strongest and deepest class in quite a while. Now it looks like a dud. You know it's bad when Romney looks like a titan compared to any of these guys.
 
There are other choices.

Exactly. If you put a gun to my head and a knife to my neck and ask me which method of death I'd prefer, I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of choosing. If my choices are some combination of Trump/Cruz and Clinton/Sanders, I'll be voting third party. The person I vote for might not have a chance in hell of winning, but at least my conscience will be clear.
 
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Some people on hrot need to really study what bigotry means. The biggest bigot in public power right now is obama hands down
 
To the OP... the only people afraid of Trump and Cruz are the higher ups of the Republican Party. If either gain the nomination, you can pencil in yet another WH defeat for the GOP.
Yeah, but that's what I thought in 1980 and 2000, too.

I was surprised when the GOP failed in 2012. I thought then and still do that the reason they failed was that the GOP was slow to figure out how to maximize the huge financial edge handed to them by Citizens United. Not only do I expect them to have rectified that oversight, but now they have even more of a financial edge because of McCutcheon.

Hillary will have plenty of corporate money, of course, including dark money. But why would most corporations pick fascism lite when they can have the real thing? Sort of like in 2004 when Kerry tried to position himself as the candidate who would fight the Iraq war harder and smarter. Why would people pick Bush lite when they could just vote for the real thing?
 
There are other choices.
None that have a snowball's chance of winning. Truly will be a wasted vote, but be my guest.

I would think the only option will be to hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil. Working with Congress would likely be IMPOSSIBLE for a third Party candidate. You'd never have a support system to push thru any legislation.
 
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None that have a snowball's chance of winning. Truly will be a wasted vote, but be my guest.

I would think the only option will be to hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil. Working with Congress would likely be IMPOSSIBLE for a third Party candidate. You'd never have a support system to push thru any legislation.
And that's why you shouldn't have a choice at all.

A man or woman of worth makes the right decision. He doesn't follow the herd, just to be part of it.
 
Trump is the best man for the job, I really believe he will take care of business in the middle east.

How do you think he will do that? You arent going to get them to stop attempting terrorism attacks with terror. You aren't going to make people willing to deploy suicide attacks go into submission because of fear of death.
 
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How do you think he will do that? You arent going to get them to stop attempting terrorism attacks with terror. You aren't going to make people willing to deploy suicide attacks go into submission because of fear of death.
He will double the US subsidy to Israel on the condition that they put the money into building walls and fences all over the conflict areas. Israel being the undisputed champ at walls and fences.

Then he will give Israel another few billion on the condition that they build a wall along the Mexico border. Since we are subsidizing Israel's wall-building, Mexico can make a token contribution. Which allows Trump to claim that he lived up to his pledge to have a wall that Mexico would pay for.

See . . . easy.
 
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