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Donald Trump wants to tax the rich. Will Republican voters agree with him?

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The chatter continues this morning about Donald Trump’s call for raising taxes on the rich. Justin Green, the political editor of IJ Review, tweets:

It might frighten the donor class, but the bulk of conservative voters aren’t especially worried about protecting low taxes for rich people.

Is that correct? I dug up a few polls and found that majorities of Republican and conservative voters oppose raising taxes on the rich.

A Gallup poll this spring found that while a majority of Americans overall favors redistributing wealth with higher taxes on the rich, only 29 percent of Republicans agree, while 70 percent disagrees. Among conservatives it’s 32-66. A Pew poll in 2014 found that while a majority of Americans favors raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations to expand programs for the poor, only 29 percent of Republicans agree, while 59 percent of Republicans favor lowering taxes on the wealthy to encourage investment and growth.

Of course, these polls don’t measure precisely what Trump is calling for. And it’s here, I think, that Trump’s comments about this have real value. Here’s what Trump said:

“I would take carried interest out, and I would let people making hundreds of millions of dollars-a-year pay some tax, because right now they are paying very little tax and I think it’s outrageous,” Trump said. “I want to lower taxes for the middle class.”…

“The middle class is getting clobbered in this country. You know the middle class built this country, not the hedge fund guys, but I know people in hedge funds that pay almost nothing and it’s ridiculous, okay?”

Taken all together, what this means (I think) is that Trump would raise taxes on investment income precisely because that would pay for middle class tax relief; that lower tax rates on investments are fundamentally unfair; and that hiking taxes on investments would not dampen economic growth. That seems very much like a broad rejection of trickle down dogma. (The necessary caveats: We don’t know whether Trump’s overall approach would raise or lower the tax burden on the rich; we don’t know whether Trump believes any of this; and he could suddenly reverse course on it at any moment.)

Trump does seem to have broken with GOP dogma here, and to my knowledge, none of his Republican rivals have responded directly to it. But Marco Rubio is justifying his call for eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends by arguing that investment creates jobs for people like his bartender father. It’s an interesting contrast.

One of the odd paradoxes of Trump’s rise has been that even as he is little more than an entertainer, his willingness to say what other Republicans won’t has forced out into the open genuine policy debates among Republicans that had previously been shrouded in vagueness or imprisoned within party orthodoxy. His call for mass deportations has unmasked GOP evasions over what to do about the 11 million, forcing something close to a real debate on that question. His vow not to cut Social Security benefits has led some to ask whether GOP voters might actually disagree with party dogma on the need to cut them.

If Republicans respond to Trump’s (apparent) apostasy on taxes, the debate would be useful, not to mention fascinating, and could shed more light on whether Republican voters really agree with GOP orthodoxy on “protecting low taxes for rich people,” as Green puts it, in the name of job creation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...n-voters-agree-with-him/?tid=trending_strip_2
 
I'm OK with an increase as long as taxes go towards infrastructure, prisons and things we all benefit from and not just a way to redistribute to the poors that want a handout.
 
No more money to prisons! Let out all non-violent offenders with an ankle monitor. We should cut the prison budget in half. BTW, money for infrastructure is redistributing to the poors too.

Wait until Trump tells the GOP about the wealth tax to pay off the debt. Its fun seeing the GOP fawn over a liberal who wants to raise the tax rate, raise tariffs and institute a new tax on accumulated wealth. I can hardly contain myself. We should have a Trump/Sanders ticket.
 
I am not too surprised that Trump is saying this. It seems pretty typical in that he has a few soundbytes but he lacks any true specifics other than raising taxes on hedge funds and carried interest and then the ultra-rich (those making 100s of millions $$). Overall I think the coporate tax rate on US companies is too high on a relative global basis. That said there are some industries that pay far far too little tax- like Big Oil.
Maybe Trump really has a plan but I doubt it. A progressive tax plan would at least be a very worthwhile discussion. if he is for helping the middle class on taxes - then really he is only talking about cutting taxes broadly. Im guessing.
 
Right now, there isn't really a "republican voter." Trump is destroying the brand.
 
I'm not against raising taxes on the "rich"(when that is defined)

Just so long it is not to the extreme level that comrade Bernie suggests.
 
No more money to prisons! Let out all non-violent offenders with an ankle monitor. We should cut the prison budget in half. BTW, money for infrastructure is redistributing to the poors too.

Wait until Trump tells the GOP about the wealth tax to pay off the debt. Its fun seeing the GOP fawn over a liberal who wants to raise the tax rate, raise tariffs and institute a new tax on accumulated wealth. I can hardly contain myself. We should have a Trump/Sanders ticket.
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Which GOP candidates have NOT signed the Norquist anti-tax pledge? I thought all or nearly all signed it. Presumably not Trump, but any of the others?

Point being, they CAN'T agree with Trump on this, can they? Without being attacked as oath-breakers. Or if they do it will have to be very carefully weasel-worded.
 
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Which GOP candidates have NOT signed the Norquist anti-tax pledge? I thought all or nearly all signed it. Presumably not Trump, but any of the others?

Point being, they CAN'T agree with Trump on this, can they? Without being attacked as oath-breakers. Or if they do it will have to be very carefully weasel-worded.

Trump, Pataki and Bush are the only ones who haven't signed.

And in this election, they’re having almost as much success. Other candidates who have signed the Pledge either this year or in the past include Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Carly Fiorina, Rick Santorum, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich, Jim Gilmore and Mike Huckabee. In other words, only three of the 17 candidates haven’t taken the pledge: George Pataki, Donald Trump and Jeb Bush.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...e-gop-candidates-bow-down-to-grover-norquist/
 
Trump, Pataki and Bush are the only ones who haven't signed.

And in this election, they’re having almost as much success. Other candidates who have signed the Pledge either this year or in the past include Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Carly Fiorina, Rick Santorum, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich, Jim Gilmore and Mike Huckabee. In other words, only three of the 17 candidates haven’t taken the pledge: George Pataki, Donald Trump and Jeb Bush.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...e-gop-candidates-bow-down-to-grover-norquist/
Thanks. Pataki probably makes sense, too. I wonder why Bush hasn't signed.

Can anyone who signed really be considered presidential material?
 
Thanks. Pataki probably makes sense, too. I wonder why Bush hasn't signed.

Can anyone who signed really be considered presidential material?

Not to my way of thinking. Someone aspiring to be president should never categorically exclude any possibility that might arise due to unforeseen circumstances beforehand.

I wonder why Bush hasn't signed.

Are those stragglers going to come on board? Who knows what Trump would say if he was asked about it. Probably something entertaining yet not quite coherent, like “Pledges are for losers, and my tax policy is going to be so super-classy it’ll create a billion new jobs and make Mexico beg me to build a wall made of the finest cubic zirconium along our border.” And Bush, whom many people still think is going to wind up with the nomination, has actually ruled out taking the pledge. In fact, when testifying before Congress in 2012, he got asked the same question the candidates faced in their primary debate, and he responded, “If you could bring to me a majority of people to say that we are going to have ten dollars of spending cuts for one dollar of revenue enhancement — put me in, coach.”

These days when you ask Bush about this topic, he’ll say bluntly that he has always rejected Norquist’s pledge but will quickly recite his record of cutting taxes as Florida governor. Perhaps the whole idea of absolute pledges makes him nervous, given the fact that his father said, “Read my lips: no new taxes,” then later did the right thing and accepted some tax increases as part of a budget deal, and for his trouble got forever branded as a traitor by the right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...e-gop-candidates-bow-down-to-grover-norquist/
 
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No more money to prisons! Let out all non-violent offenders with an ankle monitor. We should cut the prison budget in half. BTW, money for infrastructure is redistributing to the poors too.

Wait until Trump tells the GOP about the wealth tax to pay off the debt. Its fun seeing the GOP fawn over a liberal who wants to raise the tax rate, raise tariffs and institute a new tax on accumulated wealth. I can hardly contain myself. We should have a Trump/Sanders ticket.
I second this. We are way too jail oriented and it doesn't seem to work. Hardline stances are fine for violent crimes, but for non-violent ones, especially those involving drugs, we're just creating inmates who are less employable when they get out and far more skillful in their ability to commit actual crimes after they learn all the tricks from the real criminals.
 
When Trump says he's going to raise the tax rate for the hedge fund guys he always mentions that the top hedge fund guys are Democrats. It feeds the Trump base. Some of you get confused in thinking the traditional Republican base are going for Trump. There are a lot of disaffected people being attracted to him. Like him or not Trump has a reputation for building things. Hedge fund people do not build. They generate a lower public opinion.
 
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