There are other examples of a candidate winning their parties nomination and then getting pushed out?
I'd say it's pretty unique.
Dowd NYT: Dems are delighted but a coup is still a coup.
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I'd say it's pretty unique.
President Biden hasn't had much to smile about lately. But we hear he got a huge laugh on a recent call when he was told about this encounter at Fenway Park in Boston:
Why it matters: Biden's friends tell us that as the president heads to his Democratic National Convention sendoff in Chicago tonight, he's somewhat relieved and pretty nostalgic — but also still stunned and pissed about the way he was pushed out of his re-election race.
What we're hearing: Tonight's prime-time speech by Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., 81, will be a heartfelt passing of the torch. He'll herald Vice President Kamala Harris, who'll turn 60 in October, as the future of the party and the country.
- A former top White House official under President Obama ran into Mike Barnicle — the "Morning Joe" regular, and close friend and ardent defender of Biden — and said: "Isn't it great that f--king guy finally figured out he had to quit?"
- Barnicle was tired, and wasn't having it. "What guy?!" he replied.
- "You know something? F--k you!" Barnicle replied. "And f--k all your friends with their anonymous quotes in the papers. Put your name on it next time!" And kept walking.
- A source familiar with Biden's reaction to the story told us: "He might still be laughing."
Why it matters: Biden's friends tell us that as the president heads to his Democratic National Convention sendoff in Chicago tonight, he's somewhat relieved and pretty nostalgic — but also still stunned and pissed about the way he was pushed out of his re-election race.
What we're hearing: Tonight's prime-time speech by Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., 81, will be a heartfelt passing of the torch. He'll herald Vice President Kamala Harris, who'll turn 60 in October, as the future of the party and the country.
- Look for the president to say he believes in democracy, and believes in America. And to say there's nothing soft or nostalgic about what he's been able to accomplish in the White House — achievements that have been made possible by those beliefs in democracy and in the country.
- There'll be some catharsis for Biden after an astonishing 52 years on the public stage. He'll remind us that his life in politics — from senator-elect at 29, to Judiciary and Foreign Relations chair, to vice president to president of the United States — has always been about you the people, not special interests.
- After a lifetime of maneuvering and strategizing, Biden has five months to frame his legacy and, his staff tells us, make a final mark — perhaps with a Gaza ceasefire and hostage-release deal.
- Some Biden stalwarts blame the press for forcing him out, and now seethe at what they see as fawning coverage of Harris.
- They're not fooled by the patronizing praise of Biden by public officials who were knifing him just last month.
- They thought her chaotic 2020 presidential campaign and initial year as vice president showed she wasn't ready for prime time, people familiar with the matter told Axios.
- There was also resentment and a belief among some that she ran away from responsibility — particularly on immigration — rather than trying to tackle a complex issue. Biden felt that as vice president, he embraced tough assignments early on, including withdrawal from Iraq and implementing the stimulus package.
- The Biden team also saw Harris churn through staff at a far higher rate than Biden had when he was VP.
After 1-6, I have said, “I miss the days when it was liberals who wouldn’t accept election results.”
Big difference between being whiny and pathetic and busting into the Capitol to chants of “Hang Mike Pence!”
Whiny and pathetic? Did they whine those cops into being injured when dems did it?
I guess I wasn't clear in my post. I was speaking in general about politics and that is why I thru in the Kennedy example.
It depends on the make up of congress after she wins. If she gets total control it's gonna be a train wreck. If she's held in check by divided government, not so much.
I don’t defend liberals. Plenty of them are terrible people.
I just clicked on the article to see what you are talking about. Sadly, that shit is standard behavior for a lot of liberals. Just look at the college campus protests supporting Islamic terrorists and fundamentalists. That’s just what they do.
Again, the argument is to rejecting democracy. Never in the history of the United States has a president fanned the flames of anti-democratic sentiment like Trump has, preying on the stupidity and gullibility of simple people because he couldn’t handle losing a fair and free election. This is not some fringe idiot in an obscure position in government; this is the POTUS. That is inexcusable.
A lot of his supporters ruined their lives that day over one man child’s hissy fit. The fact you still unabashedly support that anti-American piece of shit doesn’t merit any further engagement from me on the issue of rejecting democracy.
We’re done here.
You were done before you started. Terrible take for the most part (not entirely)
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
coup noun [C] (TAKE POWER)
/ˌkuː.deɪˈtɑː/ plural coups d'état)
a sudden illegal, often violent, taking of government power, especially by part of an army:
Please break down for me how this was a coup:
- What specific laws were broken to make this illegal
- What government power was taken
- What constitutional privileges were removed or revoked
- What violent act occurred that set this in motion
- What government agencies/military was involved to make this happen
Lastly, no one has voted for Biden or Harris for President. Every eligible voter can still vote for either of them in the general election. No one can be, or has been, disenfranchised of their vote for President by a change within a party.
Threatening the 25th ammendment if you don't resign is a coup.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Link to Biden resigning? Last I checked he is still POTUS. He decided to stop running for a position he does not yet have (President from Jan 2025 - Jan 2029) and was almost certainly not going to get.
Whether he got pressured or not is irrelevant and I sure as hell hope some people did speak the truth and pressure him to drop out of the race. And while I think it is ludicrous to believe some BS that top Dems would 25th amendment him, they did not. So no change in power.
Please stop making yourself look stupid. Your family will thank you.
He resigned from the DNC ticket after trump abused him in the first debate, you know exactly what I was referencing don't be a dunce.
Doesn't look like sleepy plans on sticking around. Probably past his bedtime to be fair.
Guys, why not just put scruddy on ignore? He’s nothing but a troll. If nothing else, don’t engage with him.
As long as it was Bidens decision to make (and there is absolutely zero evidence that it wasn't) then there is nothing here besides desperate MAGAts trying anything they can to shine negativity on the Dems. Honestly I think a lot of conservatives are just straight up jealous they can't have the same thing because their nominee wouldn't step aside under any circumstances. They don't like that they have to reap what they've sown.
I enjoy a little back and forth with Ryan here and there, though his game has definitely deteriorated.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Fair point. I tend to want to understand how his brain thinks. The amateur psychologist in me is fascinated by these people.
Republicans complaining about...well....anything actually, after nearly a decade of not being able or willing to rid themselves of the Trump cancer is pretty ridiculous. Believe it or not, there still are many rational, reasonable Republican-leaning people in this country, and even a handful of elected R's who could be characterized as such. But they now occupy the margins of a party that is run by fundamentalists, Bible-thumpers, conspiracy nuts, bald-faced liars, unhinged people, sell-outs, at least one convicted felon, sycophants, enablers, and...yes....weirdos who all seem to see the world through only one fairly narrow field of focus.
That having been said, even hardcore lefties have to admit that this scenario is the one and only way Kamala Harris would ever have become the Dem nominee in her lifetime. To believe otherwise is to pretend that a world exists where in four short years, without the advantage of being Joe Biden's VP pick, without Joe's decline coming to a head before his first term was complete, and without the candidate on the other side being who he is, that somehow she would go from being a completely and utterly unviable candidate and one of the first to drop out in 2020, to suddenly being the "no brainer" choice and darling of the party, storming through contested primaries and coalescing the gleeful Dem establishment and voters.
That having been said, even hardcore lefties have to admit that this scenario is the one and only way Kamala Harris would ever have become the Dem nominee in her lifetime. To believe otherwise is to pretend that a world exists where in four short years, without the advantage of being Joe Biden's VP pick, without Joe's decline coming to a head before his first term was complete, and without the candidate on the other side being who he is, that somehow she would go from being a completely and utterly unviable candidate and one of the first to drop out in 2020, to suddenly being the "no brainer" choice and darling of the party, storming through contested primaries and coalescing the gleeful Dem establishment and voters.
How’s it gonna “be a wreck”? It’s been a MAGA run/influenced Congress ever since Junior’s days…it can’t be any worse for refusing to address issues that are substantive. Maybe we can finish something on immigration (that both sides don’t like) and move the phuque in from there? Maybe a woman can kick the asses in Congress in the right direction towards some action?
if the process by which kamala has become the nominee bothers you, you can always vote for donald trump
Republicans complaining about...well....anything actually, after nearly a decade of not being able or willing to rid themselves of the Trump cancer is pretty ridiculous. Believe it or not, there still are many rational, reasonable Republican-leaning people in this country, and even a handful of elected R's who could be characterized as such. But they now occupy the margins of a party that is run by fundamentalists, Bible-thumpers, conspiracy nuts, bald-faced liars, unhinged people, sell-outs, at least one convicted felon, sycophants, enablers, and...yes....weirdos who all seem to see the world through only one fairly narrow field of focus.
That having been said, even hardcore lefties have to admit that this scenario is the one and only way Kamala Harris would ever have become the Dem nominee in her lifetime. To believe otherwise is to pretend that a world exists where in four short years, without the advantage of being Joe Biden's VP pick, without Joe's decline coming to a head before his first term was complete, and without the candidate on the other side being who he is, that somehow she would go from being a completely and utterly unviable candidate and one of the first to drop out in 2020, to suddenly being the "no brainer" choice and darling of the party, storming through contested primaries and coalescing the gleeful Dem establishment and voters.
The times have always made the man, and I think anyone would find it very difficult to go back through history and find anyone that is viewed as a sure run thing four years prior to their election.
Maybe Nixon and Reagan by way of losing a bunch of primaries before breaking through?
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
He could always vote for Biden. Or himself. Or Mickey Mouse.
That’s the funny thing about the coup lunacy - no one was disenfranchised as no one has voted for President yet.
But, but………there was a coup…….right? (besides the one attempted on Jan 6, 2021?)
the conservative concern over the "coup" is nothing more than frustration that they don't get to run against joe biden anymore
this is why
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