Downey

[DayHawk18]

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestlin...-second-chance-to-wrestle-at-Division-I-level

Glad he went to Iowa State. I've seen social media posts of him smoking weed, getting drunk as recently as this past weekend, etc. We don't have time for a troubled talent.

 

[CradleKing26]

I didn't know it came down to Iowa and ISU. Interesting to say the least.. we could use him at 197 this year.

 

[SPOONER]

I didn't know it came down to Iowa and ISU. Interesting to say the least.. we could use him at 197 this year.

Not completely sure of that one.

 

[MitchL]

I didn't know it came do.wn to Iowa and ISU. Interesting to say the least.. we could use him at 197 this year.

Sometimes a program has to sacrifice their standards to fill a weight need. Some programs won't do it.

I don't know the circumstances of his decision, and I don't care if he could have been a NCAA champion @ Iowa, there's so much baggage in his closet that that family would have been more problems than it was worth, imo.

That said.,.the meltdowns from the old man will be quite entertaining this year when they occur.

 

[El-Jefe]

For some reason this quote in the article cracks me up:

“Coach Manning just told me ‘Go start your MMA career. You like fighting.’"

 

[MSU158]

Infamous ingenuity. No publicity is the only bad publicity. There is no doubt his dad is over the top and Downey is far from straight-laced, but it seems all that has worked out great for him so far. He gets talked about on here nearly as much as Grothus did and may even get the Hodge re-named after him(I kid).

He obviously hasn't accomplished remotely enough to be compared to Johny Hendricks, but is he "The Villain" that Hendricks was for a ton of fans?

 

[MitchL]

Infamous ingenuity. No publicity is the only bad publicity. There is no doubt his dad is over the top and Downey is far from straight-laced, but it seems all that has worked out great for him so far. He gets talked about on here nearly as much as Grothus did and may even get the Hodge re-named after him(I kid).

He obviously hasn't accomplished remotely enough to be compared to Johny Hendricks, but is he "The Villain" that Hendricks was for a ton of fans?

He's just a lightning rod for that program and that's not really what KJ needs at this point. There's not a lot of veteran talent in the ISU room, so I think Jackson needed a guy that could score a few points for the team to keep them in the top15 or so.

Downey is probably ISU's only chance at an AA this year, so ISU fans will likely swallow that garbage with a smile.

BTW: Would be interesting to hear from the Iowa side about how aggressively the Hawks went after him. Or maybe he used that reference to make it appear he had more suitors than he really did?

 

[andegre]

He's just a lightning rod for that program and that's not really what KJ needs at this point. There's not a lot of veteran talent in the ISU room, so I think Jackson needed a guy that could score a few points for the team to keep them in the top15 or so.

Downey is probably ISU's only chance at an AA this year, so ISU fans will likely swallow that garbage with a smile.

BTW: Would be interesting to hear from the Iowa side about how aggressively the Hawks went after him. Or maybe he used that reference to make it appear he had more suitors than he really did?

ISU has a couple other AA threats this year, Hall, Weatherspoon.

 

[1stplacehawk]

Infamous ingenuity. No publicity is the only bad publicity. There is no doubt his dad is over the top and Downey is far from straight-laced, but it seems all that has worked out great for him so far. He gets talked about on here nearly as much as Grothus did and may even get the Hodge re-named after him(I kid).

He obviously hasn't accomplished remotely enough to be compared to Johny Hendricks, but is he "The Villain" that Hendricks was for a ton of fans?

I don't consider getting kicked out of school, and facing multiple court cases before the age of 19 to be working out great for him. Him and his family are losers, period.

Signed,
Paul Daft (So people can't call me out for hiding behind a screen name)

 

[MitchL]

ISU has a couple other AA threats this year, Hall, Weatherspoon.

Threats... yes. But Hall was a 5-8 guy BEFORE 133 got a lot stronger. He has never been a dominant scorer and has too many matches where he wins by 1-2 points. That's a recipe for an upset. Plus... he gives up too many points at the end of periods. Spoon, similar to Hall and he got hot at the right time last season. 174 is stronger than last season. They may prove me wrong. The dual against Iowa will tell me more. If they are competitive vs Clark and Meyer, I may change my opinion.

 

[CradleKing26]

Sometimes a program has to sacrifice their standards to fill a weight need. Some programs won't do it.

I don't know the circumstances of his decision, and I don't care if he could have been a NCAA champion @ Iowa, there's so much baggage in his closet that that family would have been more problems than it was worth, imo.

That said.,.the meltdowns from the old man will be quite entertaining this year when they occur.

We've accepted baggage before, and have guys on our team with baggage. I'm not going to hate on a wrestler with a troubled family and past attempting to get his life on track.

If you judged me by my decision making skills from the ages of 16-23 and used that as a benchmark for my ability to make good future decisions.... ouch.

And I get it, there are plenty of guys who did do all of the right things, and they should be applauded for that. Still... hating on a college kid with a troubled background, even cyclones, is not a good look. Especially when the Coaches who run our program wanted him to become a Hawkeye.

 

[crablegs1]

I can only imagine his dad posting on this board. Holy cow that would be fun!

That said, PD3 has kept his grades up and stayed out of trouble since he's been at ISU. Which has to be hard considering PD2. I'm rooting for him to continue down that path.

 

[WildTurk]

I have nothing wrong to say about Downey the wrestler. He is the most talented kid on that joke of a team. PD2 on the other hand...

 

[Wanderman]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...060972_1_marty-kistler-brad-penrith-wrestling

A man like PD with his problems would never wear a hawk singlet. He's a lost cause.

 

[MitchL]

We've accepted baggage before, and have guys on our team with baggage. I'm not going to hate on a wrestler with a troubled family and past attempting to get his life on track.

If you judged me by my decision making skills from the ages of 16-23 and used that as a benchmark for my ability to make good future decisions.... ouch.

And I get it, there are plenty of guys who did do all of the right things, and they should be applauded for that. Still... hating on a college kid with a troubled background, even cyclones, is not a good look. Especially when the Coaches who run our program wanted him to become a Hawkeye.

As far as our coaches wanting him to be a Hawkeye... maybe I'm way off base here, but you have PD as a 184, Brooks firmly entrenched and only 1 year older... I have a hard time believing Iowa offered much $$$. Downey knows the Iowa coaches won't argue his comments because it serves no benefit. So he can say whatever he wants without being disputed.

BTW: Give me an example of a Hawkeye wrestler that had so much baggage BEFORE they hit campus!

 

[Sandor45]

I like our guys

 

[Azchief32]

If you judged me by my decision making skills from the ages of 16-23 and used that as a benchmark for my ability to make good future decisions.... ouch.

Same here, except I didn't become a D1 wrestler...probably because of my decision making skills in multiple areas.

I often see the false equivalency thing pop up when we talk about guys messing up....the "who am I to judge." I get it, and have been there before as well...fights, booze, women; the three food groups that can make any good young wrestler shit the bed.

However, some do it so much that it becomes a trend. They only get second, third and fourth chances because they are talented. Make no mistake, a guy like this would have been fired, kicked out of school or off the team if he were a "room guy."

The fact that he and his Dad come off as DBags only makes it worse. That's the difference between him and a Seth Gross. Gross messed up, got kicked off the team, was probably told that he could work his way back on but decided he needed a change of scenery and is doing very well for himself. Don't think we'll see issues from Gross again.

 

[CradleKing26]

As far as our coaches wanting him to be a Hawkeye... maybe I'm way off base here, but you have PD as a 184, Brooks firmly entrenched and only 1 year older... I have a hard time believing Iowa offered much $$$. Downey knows the Iowa coaches won't argue his comments because it serves no benefit. So he can say whatever he wants without being disputed.

BTW: Give me an example of a Hawkeye wrestler that had so much baggage BEFORE they hit campus!

Recently

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/...dwin-cooper-arrested-and-charged-with-assault

http://www.amestrib.com/article/20130423/News/304239887

Was also kicked out of a school, at Ellsworth. Only difference is he wasn't a cyclone, and he didn't have a message board hero father.

 

[CradleKing26]

Same here, except I didn't become a D1 wrestler...probably because of my decision making skills in multiple areas.

I often see the false equivalency thing pop up when we talk about guys messing up....the "who am I to judge." I get it, and have been there before as well...fights, booze, women; the three food groups that can make any good young wrestler shit the bed.

However, some do it so much that it becomes a trend. They only get second, third and fourth chances because they are talented. Make no mistake, a guy like this would have been fired, kicked out of school or off the team if he were a "room guy."

The fact that he and his Dad come off as DBags only makes it worse. That's the difference between him and a Seth Gross. Gross messed up, got kicked off the team, was probably told that he could work his way back on but decided he needed a change of scenery and is doing very well for himself. Don't think we'll see issues from Gross again.

I completely agree, but we've been guilty of this as well.

 

[KujawaFan]

To a certain degree who can blame the kid with his past while living under the same roof with a total pyscho douche loser of a dad.

 

[SPOONER]

To a certain degree who can blame the kid with his past while living under the same roof with a total pyscho douche loser of a dad.

Yup. He's kept his nose clean at ISU and stayed eligible. Hope that continues and he doesn't take the worst traits from his old man going forward. He is a 24 year old college junior so it is about time.

 

[edquinn06]

If it was between Iowa and ISU he probably made the better choice. Would have had to sit behind Brooks 84 and Burak 97 last year. 97 would have been his only option this year with Brooks still around. Would of had his choice of 84 or 97 his senior year.

 

[OILCHECKER]

As far as our coaches wanting him to be a Hawkeye... maybe I'm way off base here, but you have PD as a 184, Brooks firmly entrenched and only 1 year older... I have a hard time believing Iowa offered much $$$. Downey knows the Iowa coaches won't argue his comments because it serves no benefit. So he can say whatever he wants without being disputed.

BTW: Give me an example of a Hawkeye wrestler that had so much baggage BEFORE they hit campus!

Montell Marion?

 

[Chopper25]

Montell Marion?

After watching him be a complete douche last year when he wrestled at Corn Cob Nationals, his time at Iowa didn't change him much. He was also booed by the whole arena when he won state, so I'd agree he defiantly had some baggage. Worked out for us though.

 

[Chopper25]

The question I have is will KJ wrestle PD3 at 184, 197 or at all next Saturday?

 

[ping72]

I've seen social media posts of him smoking weed, getting drunk as recently as this past weekend, etc.

Link or pic?

 

[MitchL]

The question I have is will KJ wrestle PD3 at 184, 197 or at all next Saturday?

I doubt he wrestles 197, as you only do that when you think it helps you win a dual. If he doesn't go @ 184, he won't go at all, imo.

They're using the injury excuse to avoid Dean this weekend, so if they don't want to wrestle Brooks they've already planted the "injury" thingy.

If the matchup with Brooks occurs... I could see a fall either side.

 

[Jtownsteel]

I'll take Downey to finish higher than Brooks at nationals this year. And if they meet? I'll say he beats Brooks.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

I'll take Downey to finish higher than Brooks at nationals this year. And if they meet? I'll say he beats Brooks.

Who else you got??? Trump or Clinton?

 

[vincebrookins]

Sometimes a program has to sacrifice their standards to fill a weight need.

If you sacrifice your standards, it's not really a standard, is it?

 

[jammenz]

http://www.amestrib.com/article/20130423/News/304239887

"21-10 victory over Jerry Garcia of Arizona State."

 

[KujawaFan]

Will he wrestle anyone that is top 10 or will he try and protect a seed? I assume his Dad who calls him the terminator, destroyer, Hodge champ, etc. will continue to shut the drunk down. He actually got hurt pinning someone before Dean?! Wow. What a stud.

 

[minnhawkeye]

I'll take Downey to finish higher than Brooks at nationals this year. And if they meet? I'll say he beats Brooks.

Just had a chat with Downey's dad and he told me Nickal better hope he is in the opposite bracket from his son cause he being the lights in St.Louis hard to not laugh.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Just had a chat with Downey's dad and he told me Nickal better hope he is in the opposite bracket from his son cause he being the lights in St.Louis hard to not laugh.

I mean let's be honest while his dad and even PD3 himself are absolutely over the top I gotta give Downey the credit where it's due. I think he's very good and a match with both Nickal and Brooks is one I would enjoy watching. Simply put based on those 3 wrestlers styles I know someone's getting thrown and I'd love to see who and how.

 

[24 so far]

I mean let's be honest while his dad and even PD3 himself are absolutely over the top I gotta give Downey the credit where it's due. I think he's very good and a match with both Nickal and Brooks is one I would enjoy watching. Simply put based on those 3 wrestlers styles I know someone's getting thrown and I'd love to see who and how.

True that. Those would not be the matches to head to the Ice Cream line!

 

[SPOONER]

I mean let's be honest while his dad and even PD3 himself are absolutely over the top I gotta give Downey the credit where it's due. I think he's very good and a match with both Nickal and Brooks is one I would enjoy watching. Simply put based on those 3 wrestlers styles I know someone's getting thrown and I'd love to see who and how.

Downey is good. Not as good as his dad--who is a jackass--thinks he is, though.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Downey is good. Not as good as his dad--who is a jackass--thinks he is, though.

I can agree with that