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http://news.theopenmat.com/college-...ail&utm_term=0_0b256fb8bf-ce6bf7adad-33153125

Rank School Avg. Attendance
1 Iowa 9860
2 Penn State 7833
3 Ohio State 5880
4 Oklahoma State 5041
5 Rutgers 4706
6 Iowa State 3280
7 Minnesota 2715
8 Nebraska 1948
9 South Dakota State 1614
10 Northern Iowa 1603
11 Virginia Tech 1507
12 Lehigh 1485
13 Cornell 1472
14 Missouri 1377
15 Edinboro 1309
16 Michigan 1217
17 Arizona State 1045
18 NC State 1027
19 Army 1012
20 Wisconsin 955

Can you believe Rutgers pulled in an average attendance of 4,700? That's some great stuff. So who needs a dual component to nationals anyway...
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
http://news.theopenmat.com/college-...ail&utm_term=0_0b256fb8bf-ce6bf7adad-33153125

Rank School Avg. Attendance
1 Iowa 9860
2 Penn State 7833
3 Ohio State 5880
4 Oklahoma State 5041
5 Rutgers 4706
6 Iowa State 3280
7 Minnesota 2715
8 Nebraska 1948
9 South Dakota State 1614
10 Northern Iowa 1603
11 Virginia Tech 1507
12 Lehigh 1485
13 Cornell 1472
14 Missouri 1377
15 Edinboro 1309
16 Michigan 1217
17 Arizona State 1045
18 NC State 1027
19 Army 1012
20 Wisconsin 955

Can you believe Rutgers pulled in an average attendance of 4,700? That's some great stuff. So who needs a dual component to nationals anyway...
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How about SDSU cracking the top ten
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
http://news.theopenmat.com/college-...ail&utm_term=0_0b256fb8bf-ce6bf7adad-33153125

Rank School Avg. Attendance
1 Iowa 9860
2 Penn State 7833
3 Ohio State 5880
4 Oklahoma State 5041
5 Rutgers 4706
6 Iowa State 3280
7 Minnesota 2715
8 Nebraska 1948
9 South Dakota State 1614
10 Northern Iowa 1603
11 Virginia Tech 1507
12 Lehigh 1485
13 Cornell 1472
14 Missouri 1377
15 Edinboro 1309
16 Michigan 1217
17 Arizona State 1045
18 NC State 1027
19 Army 1012
20 Wisconsin 955

Can you believe Rutgers pulled in an average attendance of 4,700? That's some great stuff. So who needs a dual component to nationals anyway...
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Not to be a downer, but their outdoor event had a really big affect on that average.

I wonder how many schools reported full attendance for a co- event like the Beauty and the Beast events like ISU has.
 
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HawkeyeEmpire said:
This cannot be true, I was told numerous times on bwi that psu has the highest home attendance
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I've never seen that posted ever on BWI. If someone were to post something like this it would be shouted down quickly because its common knowledge that Iowa has the largest home attendance. I have seen a couple of facts posted about attendance there that are true but you may have confused this with. I doubt you are interested in me sharing them with you.
 
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Sammybrk said:
A friend of mine who lives in Story City, Iowa, which is about ten miles north of Ames , is a Cyclone Wrestling season ticket holder. He doesn't know where they came up with 3280 more like maybe 2,000.
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Maybe inflating the numbers a bit eh? Fun fact: I went to Roland Story Middle School for a year.
 
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dicemen99 said:
I've never seen that posted ever on BWI. If someone were to post something like this it would be shouted down quickly because its common knowledge that Iowa has the largest home attendance. I have seen a couple of facts posted about attendance there that are true but you may have confused this with. I doubt you are interested in me sharing them with you.
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I was being a smart ass about the GS thread(and you know that since you were there) you have already shared your numbers over there and I read them. My point was that Iowa was a big draw because of attendance, you and others disagreed because psu is better at everything.
 
HawkeyeEmpire said:
I was being a smart ass about the GS thread(and you know that since you were there) you have already shared your numbers over there and I read them. My point was that Iowa was a big draw because of attendance, you and others disagreed because psu is better at everything.
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Not sure what the "GS" thread is???

I would not disagree that Iowa is a big draw because of attendance. It is one of the biggest. And I'm not sure that anyone on BWI would be disagree with that - I haven't seen it. You could make a claim that Iowa was the biggest because of the home attendance. You could also make a claim that PSU was because of total attendance (home and away) and close to 40 straight home sellouts. You could make a claim that Iowa is the biggest draw over the past 30 or 40 years. You could make a claim that PSU is the biggest draw over the last 5 to 10.

The only thing that I can recall anyone disagreeing with is a statement by someone (maybe you) that Iowa is the biggest draw in college wrestling. It's not, right now at this moment in time.

EDIT - I'll qualify the above statement about people on BWI disagreeing with that. There could be a few - you never know what is going to come out of amalone, spyker or the banned guy's computer. Could be anything. Actually amalone comes off as a nice guy - just a superfan, very rah-rah. spyker is certifiable at times. The banned guy is just a message board prick.
 
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dicemen99 said:
Not sure what the "GS" thread is???

I would not disagree that Iowa is a big draw because of attendance. It is one of the biggest. And I'm not sure that anyone on BWI would be disagree with that - I haven't seen it. You could make a claim that Iowa was the biggest because of the home attendance. You could also make a claim that PSU was because of total attendance (home and away) and close to 40 straight home sellouts. You could make a claim that Iowa is the biggest draw over the past 30 or 40 years.

The part I've put in bold above was the point I was arguing and it turned into a pissing match about atmosphere blah blah blah. I know it was mostly just posters arguing because they hate or won't admit to anything positive about Iowa and that's fine it was on a psu board so I just dropped it because it was pointless being the argument was stupid at that point.I know you are not that kind of poster though so no offense really intended toward you.
This was your post from the Gable Stevenson thread:

This year:

Iowa can claim highest average attendance

PSU can claim highest percentage capacity

Rutgers can claim single event attendance

Each one of these claims has validity in it's own way - that's statistics for you.

But to claim the biggest stage is currently Iowa - nope, not anymore.

PSU will have had the most fans watch them wrestle this year (home and away). 15,338 at tOSU, 14,059 at OSU (both records), 14,311 at Iowa. 35 straight sell-outs at Rec Hall. 3 out of 4 sell-outs at BJC. Almost 2,000 attendance AT ARMY. There were over 15,000 watching the tOSU-PSU cluster of a facebook/twitter/periscope feed - imagine how many would have been tuned in via FLO if it had worked.

PSU is currently the big stage and has been for a few years now. If Iowa wants to lay claim to that again, they will have to wrestle it away from PSU.

Serious question for Hawkeye fans - I can't seem to find it researching on the internet - when is the last sellout at Carver? I know it wasn't this year.

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EDIT - I'll qualify the above statement about people on BWI disagreeing with that. There could be a few - you never know what is going to come out of amalone, spyker or the banned guy's computer. Could be anything. Actually amalone comes off as a nice guy - just a superfan, very rah-rah. spyker is certifiable at times. The banned guy is just a message board prick.
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So you reposted a post on the BWI board that I made that expresses the exact same opinion expressed in my above post?

Not sure what the point is unless to point out that my writing gets more concise (probably to the delight of those reading) the second time around.
 
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dicemen99 said:
So you reposted a post on the BWI board that I made that expresses the exact same opinion expressed in my above post?

Not sure what the point is unless to point out that my writing gets more concise (probably to the delight of those reading) the second time around.
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No I posted it to show you because you said you didn't know what thread I was talking about! I don't really wanna argue about it anymore go back and read the old thread if you want but my point was Iowa leads the nation in home attendance!! I'm sorry if you don't agree with that fact. Bye
 
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HawkeyeEmpire said:
No I posted it to show you because you said you didn't know what thread I was talking about! I don't really wanna argue about it anymore go back and read the old thread if you want but my point was Iowa leads the nation in home attendance!! I'm sorry if you don't agree with that fact. Bye
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I didn't get your point because I'm still unaware of what that thread was titled - assume it was something with the initials GS.

I have never disagreed with the fact that Iowa leads the nation in average home attendance. Here or any other board. I can't recall anyone else disagreeing with this either.
 
Sammybrk said:
He doesn't know where they came up with 3280
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Tickets sold. 3,280 is counting the full amount for both B&B events. If you count 50% of B&B attendance (like many do because it's more accurate), the season average was 2,412.
 
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dicemen99 said:
I didn't get your point because I'm still unaware of what that thread was titled - assume it was something with the initials GS.

I have never disagreed with the fact that Iowa leads the nation in average home attendance. Here or any other board. I can't recall anyone else disagreeing with this either.
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Go back and actually READ post #19 in this thread then, I mentioned the thread title but you must not have read the whole post
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
http://news.theopenmat.com/college-...ail&utm_term=0_0b256fb8bf-ce6bf7adad-33153125

Rank School Avg. Attendance
1 Iowa 9860
2 Penn State 7833
3 Ohio State 5880
4 Oklahoma State 5041
5 Rutgers 4706
6 Iowa State 3280
7 Minnesota 2715
8 Nebraska 1948
9 South Dakota State 1614
10 Northern Iowa 1603
11 Virginia Tech 1507
12 Lehigh 1485
13 Cornell 1472
14 Missouri 1377
15 Edinboro 1309
16 Michigan 1217
17 Arizona State 1045
18 NC State 1027
19 Army 1012
20 Wisconsin 955

Can you believe Rutgers pulled in an average attendance of 4,700? That's some great stuff. So who needs a dual component to nationals anyway...
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Do Nebraska and the other schools who host gymnastics at the same time get credit for the gymnastics fans? I see that was already answered. That doesn't surprise me Iowa State would count the gymnastics fans as wrestling attendance.
 
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Do Nebraska and the other schools who host gymnastics at the same time get credit for the gymnastics fans? I see that was already answered. That doesn't surprise me Iowa State would count the gymnastics fans as wrestling attendance.
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I'd bet that everyone who did a combo event counted the full attendance. Schools will always want to boost their numbers in whatever way(s) possible.

Denny Diehl, who for a long time kept the pseudo-official national attendance rankings, only counted 1/2 of a combo event's attendance in his tally: "Reminder on ground rules for assessing Division I wrestling marketing: only single dual and double dual meets are included (no triples, quads, National Duals); combined Beauty & The Beast crowds are divided by two, to acknowledge the share earned by gymnastics."

It appears that The Open Mat didn't do as much digging this year to uphold that standard.
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
http://news.theopenmat.com/college-...ail&utm_term=0_0b256fb8bf-ce6bf7adad-33153125

Rank School Avg. Attendance
1 Iowa 9860
2 Penn State 7833
3 Ohio State 5880
4 Oklahoma State 5041
5 Rutgers 4706
6 Iowa State 3280
7 Minnesota 2715
8 Nebraska 1948
9 South Dakota State 1614
10 Northern Iowa 1603
11 Virginia Tech 1507
12 Lehigh 1485
13 Cornell 1472
14 Missouri 1377
15 Edinboro 1309
16 Michigan 1217
17 Arizona State 1045
18 NC State 1027
19 Army 1012
20 Wisconsin 955

Can you believe Rutgers pulled in an average attendance of 4,700? That's some great stuff. So who needs a dual component to nationals anyway...
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Penn State's regular wrestling venue, Rec Hall, seats 6,502. Just for the record. The Bryce Jordan Center is a miserable, all purpose arena. It's lousy for basketball, worse for wrestling. It seats 15,261. Far to many seats to far from the court or mat.
 
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ISUChip said:
I'd bet that everyone who did a combo event counted the full attendance. Schools will always want to boost their numbers in whatever way(s) possible.

Denny Diehl, who for a long time kept the pseudo-official national attendance rankings, only counted 1/2 of a combo event's attendance in his tally: "Reminder on ground rules for assessing Division I wrestling marketing: only single dual and double dual meets are included (no triples, quads, National Duals); combined Beauty & The Beast crowds are divided by two, to acknowledge the share earned by gymnastics."

It appears that The Open Mat didn't do as much digging this year to uphold that standard.
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When Denny and I were discussing TOM taking over the attendance figures, we discussed these rules and what made sense going forward. While I respect the opinion that counting half of these crowds is more accurate there is simply no way to know how much the boost in attendance is due to it being a big event that is marketed as such and how much of it is gymnastics people attending. Even if it is gymnastics people attending, they will get exposure to the wrestling team and that is a good thing, IMO. At most for any given team, the difference was one position in the rankings and it would not have impacted any of the historic firsts that happened this year so I felt comfortable leaving the whole total. Denny also gave me permission to make those decisions going forward which was important to me as he has done great work over the years.

We had a similar difference of opinion over the National Duals. His rule came from the days when the tournament was first all at one site and then spread out with four teams at a site, but now that it is one dual per site I believe it belongs in the totals presented here.

-Alex Steen, TOM
 
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