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Education Department Plans to Fire Up to Half Its Staff

I completely agree that there is wasteful spending. I just don't believe a foreign billionaire and a bunch of 19-20 year olds with hacking skills are the people to do it. You HATE wasteful spending but vote for the guys who blow up the debt every time they are in office. There's no logic in that.
It is unfortunate that is what you believe.
 
I completely agree that there is wasteful spending. I just don't believe a foreign billionaire and a bunch of 19-20 year olds with hacking skills are the people to do it. You HATE wasteful spending but vote for the guys who blow up the debt every time they are in office. There's no logic in that.
I’m laughing at “foreign” billionaire. He is a naturalized citizen. The Dems on this board see no issue with illegals streaming into this country so what’s the problem with someone who is here legally and became a citizen.
19 and 20 year olds who have the skills needed are okay by me.
Thank God kids that age were around in 1941.
 
I’m laughing at “foreign” billionaire. He is a naturalized citizen. The Dems on this board see no issue with illegals streaming into this country so what’s the problem with someone who is here legally and became a citizen.
19 and 20 year olds who have the skills needed are okay by me.
Thank God kids that age were around in 1941.
What skills do these 19 and 20 year old kids have? It's obviously not determining where waste in government is and what jobs should be cut. But yet that's the job their hired to do
 
What skills do these 19 and 20 year old kids have? It's obviously not determining where waste in government is and what jobs should be cut. But yet that's the job their hired to do
Personally - I think they’re young college age Wunderkinds and if they’re given tasks and guidelines and are used to operating in that manner then let’s see their work.
 
Dumpster has a major Butt-hurt about the Educ Dept. The funniest thing about this is the 1.300 employees to be fired or layed off is only about 50% of the whole dept staff.

That is a super tiny amount of so called savings. These people do make good educational decisions, research, planning etc.

Another stupid idea since polling shows 2 out of 3 Americans want the Dept of Educ helping schools
 
You are assuming that the amount of work one person could do 30 years ago remains constant so as the population increases, the more employees the DOE needs. That is not true. With modern technology, one person can do what it took many people to do in the past. That's called modern productivity and happens everywhere and the fact that the DOE is a public entity versus a private company is irrelevant.
It does kind of matter what the job is tho. Not everything can be streaminlined as easily and efficiently as you might want.

Government vs for-profit company is absolutely relevant to this debate.
I don’t disagree. I think they’re learning on the fly and it’s causing unnecessary heartburn.
Not really sure this is the place for newbies to learn on the fly tho. What they’re doing is directly affecting peoples lives.
 
I’m laughing at “foreign” billionaire. He is a naturalized citizen. The Dems on this board see no issue with illegals streaming into this country so what’s the problem with someone who is here legally and became a citizen.
19 and 20 year olds who have the skills needed are okay by me.
Thank God kids that age were around in 1941.
^^^^^
Not a MAGA.
 
It does kind of matter what the job is tho. Not everything can be streaminlined as easily and efficiently as you might want.

Government vs for-profit company is absolutely relevant to this debate.

Not really sure this is the place for newbies to learn on the fly tho. What they’re doing is directly affecting peoples lives.
Other peoples' lives are nothing MAGAs care about.
 
The problem when people want to run government like a business is that they forget businesses are meant to make money, and taking care of their consumers takes a back seat to that.

If your business fails to take care of the consumer, the consumer takes his business somewhere else and the business dies - because it only lives on the money the customer willingly brings through the door and exchanges.

Government doesn't operate that way. Generally the budget is fixed at the start of the fiscal year, and has no relation to how many 'customers' come through the door demanding services.

The #1 goal is to get all the money spent, but not before the end of the FY (and certainly not after!). So you delay fixing the window because you might need that money to fix the roof before the end of the FY. But if you get to the end of the year and didn't need to fix the roof or the window, you have to figure out what to spend that money on because your budget person is going to be in trouble if there is money left over at the end of the FY. So you buy a thing that might not be really needed, but fits under the budget considerations you have, so it gets purchased.

I don't know how systemically, you can solve that incentive problem. Becoming more efficient and saving money with new processes actually creates the 'problem' of money you have to try and figure out how to spend. Inertia doesn't create this problem, which is probably why you see so much inertia in government entities relative to private. In the private setting the money left over is profits. Certainly not seen as a problem to make 'go away'.
 
I’m laughing at “foreign” billionaire. He is a naturalized citizen. The Dems on this board see no issue with illegals streaming into this country so what’s the problem with someone who is here legally and became a citizen.
19 and 20 year olds who have the skills needed are okay by me.
Thank God kids that age were around in 1941.
Please tell me you didn’t just compare these DOGE punks to the greatest generation.
 
If your business fails to take care of the consumer, the consumer takes his business somewhere else and the business dies - because it only lives on the money the customer willingly brings through the door and exchanges.

Government doesn't operate that way. Generally the budget is fixed at the start of the fiscal year, and has no relation to how many 'customers' come through the door demanding services.

The #1 goal is to get all the money spent, but not before the end of the FY (and certainly not after!). So you delay fixing the window because you might need that money to fix the roof before the end of the FY. But if you get to the end of the year and didn't need to fix the roof or the window, you have to figure out what to spend that money on because your budget person is going to be in trouble if there is money left over at the end of the FY. So you buy a thing that might not be really needed, but fits under the budget considerations you have, so it gets purchased.

I don't know how systemically, you can solve that incentive problem. Becoming more efficient and saving money with new processes actually creates the 'problem' of money you have to try and figure out how to spend. Inertia doesn't create this problem, which is probably why you see so much inertia in government entities relative to private. In the private setting the money left over is profits. Certainly not seen as a problem to make 'go away'.
Maybe, but we HAVE conducted thorough reviews in the past, and made changes accordingly. Here though, they’re STARTING with the assumption that the DOE has to go, and proceeding based on that.

DOE is not a massive department so I’m not sure you can really argue there’s a ton of bloat here, especially to justify firing half of the employees.
 
If your business fails to take care of the consumer, the consumer takes his business somewhere else and the business dies - because it only lives on the money the customer willingly brings through the door and exchanges.

Government doesn't operate that way. Generally the budget is fixed at the start of the fiscal year, and has no relation to how many 'customers' come through the door demanding services.

The #1 goal is to get all the money spent, but not before the end of the FY (and certainly not after!). So you delay fixing the window because you might need that money to fix the roof before the end of the FY. But if you get to the end of the year and didn't need to fix the roof or the window, you have to figure out what to spend that money on because your budget person is going to be in trouble if there is money left over at the end of the FY. So you buy a thing that might not be really needed, but fits under the budget considerations you have, so it gets purchased.

I don't know how systemically, you can solve that incentive problem. Becoming more efficient and saving money with new processes actually creates the 'problem' of money you have to try and figure out how to spend. Inertia doesn't create this problem, which is probably why you see so much inertia in government entities relative to private. In the private setting the money left over is profits. Certainly not seen as a problem to make 'go away'.
As someone who has overseen the financial operations of various schools for the last 2 decades that isn’t how I, nor my peers in schools approach it on the whole.

There are times when we accelerate or hold expenditures across grant cycles but that accounts for relatively small expenditures (in my organizations) and are rare occurrences.

Admittedly, when I worked for the state it was sadly more common, but that is more a result of having relatively unknowledgeable legislators monkeying around on agency/department level budgets.
 
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Please tell me you didn’t just compare these DOGE punks to the greatest generation.
I compared 18-19 year old kids.
My Father was an 18 year old kid when he went ashore at Normandy and proved himself.
But aside from their ages it’s a new frontier.
 
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Phuck them kids (after they're born). 'Merica! Repubber style!
Well yeah, they are not pro-lifers they are pro-birthers and they dont want to pay a penny in taxes to help support the underpriviledged and poor. Just let that 16 year old new mom, who is not married and cant find a job or go to school, just fend for herself even though her parents are poor as snot
 
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Well yeah, they are not pro-lifers they are pro-birthers and they dont want to pay a penny in taxes to help support the underpriviledged and poor. Just let that 16 year old new mom, who is not married and cant find a job or go to school, just fend for herself even though her parents are poor as snot
Can’t feed em don’t breed em?
She would get all sorts of support - or don’t you know that?
Your stance (BTW I’m 100% pro- choice) is why there are unmarried 16 year olds in the first place. Afraid to just out and out say it out loud - USE PROTECTION if you’re going to have sex. 🤯
 
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And i think thats the wrong place to be learning on the job, and its a hell of lot more than heatburn , its how they want to live, control their life and the decisions they made.
They’ve been on the job already or no one would be aware of them. They’ve been recruited because they have demonstrated skills.
 
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Mississippi North is gutting the Education Dept already.

Additional cuts are already planned.

In this State, Reynolds is only worried about stealing funds to pay for the private school vouchers.
Private schools provide waaay better educations, so Gov Reynolds is on the right track here.
 
I’m laughing at “foreign” billionaire. He is a naturalized citizen. The Dems on this board see no issue with illegals streaming into this country so what’s the problem with someone who is here legally and became a citizen.
19 and 20 year olds who have the skills needed are okay by me.
Thank God kids that age were around in 1941.
19 year old kids don’t know how to find waste. That’s why they keep screwing this thing all up. They might have some coding skills, but that doesn’t make them good at driving efficiencies. That’s the mental gymnastics equivalent of saying my MBA makes me good at styling hair. Talent in one area does not apply to other areas.

You trust theim because you want to trust them. Not because they are trustworthy. Hell one of them was fired for stealing the employer’s secrets in the past. You don’t think that should be immediately disqualifying when dealing with sensitive government data?
 
Our ed programs need local control
They have local control. Most of the education spending is from local property taxes. Also dictated by a school board. Elected by the local citizens. Feds usually get involved regarding access for disabled and minorities.
 
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They’ve been on the job already or no one would be aware of them. They’ve been recruited because they have demonstrated skills.
Where and when did they get the experience to destroy other huge companies, agencies , OJT. ?
 
I compared 18-19 year old kids.
My Father was an 18 year old kid when he went ashore at Normandy and proved himself.
But aside from their ages it’s a new frontier.
And your dad would kick you in the face if he knew you flushed his bravery down the toilet voting for an authoritarian piece of shit.
 
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