Europe and refugees
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They can't. Not this quickly.
Powder keg is right. Human rights violations and atrocities just waiting to happen.
This situation will undoubtedly by used to justify future calls for 1 world currency & government down the road. George Soros loves this kind of sh@t.
Genocide of the Muslims.
Something like 9 refugee centers in Sweeden have been burnt down in the last week. Germany has seen a dramatic spike in support of far right politics and neo nazis.
Here's an article of a German village of only 102 people that is expected to take in 500-750 refugees.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/0...tml?_r=1&referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/
Something like 9 refugee centers in Sweeden have been burnt down in the last week. Germany has seen a dramatic spike in support of far right politics and neo nazis.
Here's an article of a German village of only 102 people that is expected to take in 500-750 refugees.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/0...tml?_r=1&referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/
I think anyone with average intelligence saw this coming. People gonna people.
It won't stop there. My pastor is part of a 'social transition team' within our church in Iowa (I will not divulge which mainstream protestant denomination it is) that has been informed by the government to be prepared to help welcome and accept thousands of these refugees here in Iowa within the next year or 2. Don't shoot the messenger.
According to this list Iowa has three locations that will receive refugees, 2 in Des Moines and 1 in Cedar Rapids.
http://www.wrapsnet.org/Portals/1/A...ectory/21Nov14_Public Affiliate directory.pdf
Last month when I was there, the German/Austrian border was effectively "closed." No high speed train service and refugee camps on the Austrian side of the border. Germany would allow 1500 folks to cross daily and the Germans were NOT happy about it. Merkel stepped in her mess kit on this one. The Austrians and Hungarians want absolutely NOTHING to do with the refugees.. The answer is a "no fly zone" established in Syria and the refugees need to be interned there until the Syrian situation stabolizes. It's a mess. There is no good answer and ALL avenues are frought with misery for all concerned.
Remember, these Syrians who are leaving are leaving because they will be killed if they stay in Syria. I can't blame them for leaving.,
Remember, these Syrians who are leaving are leaving because they will be killed if they stay in Syria. I can't blame them for leaving.,
Climate change caused this.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151103/eu--germany-merkel-climate-0773add3e3.html
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151103/eu--germany-merkel-climate-0773add3e3.html
I'm fine with helping actual refugees. Not the guys who are pretending to be fleeing a war torn country so they can get into ours and start causing trouble.
Well, see that's the rub. You really don't know who you are letting into your country.
The difference between actual refugees and possible ISIS members or sympathizers who blend in is that the refugees just want to live in peace. Those other guys, well they want to pull all kinds of monkey shines once inside.
Here's the solution. All able-bodied male refugees are deported back to Syria/Iraq with a rifle and some ammo and they're told to take back their country.
Send in military assistance in Syria to create safe zones. That stops the migration. The EU "MUST" participate in this. The EU is getting what the deserve, but the Obama administration caused this be withdrawing our troops. This is a sick situation. SICK. God bless those people.
Doesn't anyone find it interesting that all the Arab countries have slammed the door on accepting other Arabs who are displaced?
This is all by design. Over 75% of all refugees are men of military age, and the something like only 40% of "refugees" are actually Syrian.
The European people have a right to be concerned and pissed off. And some of the fires that have been set to Camps and housing have actually been set by the refugees themselves. Sweden is having horrible problems with women being assaulted and raped.
We are all being set up for the next global conflict. And it's not going to be a war of nations, but a war of ideologies. And no one will be off limits.
Why does the EU "deserve" this? The push back is already happening....and it's only going to get worse.
They have found literally thousands of fake passports....many refugees are arriving without any papers or identification at all. And there have been reports that up to 90% of refugees have no identification at all.....but claim to be Syrian.
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Because they have done nothing to prevent it. And they stood by while the United States fought in Iraq and Afghanistan
Not correct....most NATO countries contributed troops to Afghanistan to include Germany/France/Poland ect....
Iraq -- GB/Poland contributed troops....think a couple Balkans states as well like Bulgaria.
this is almost exactly like America and our southern border: people flooding in wanting free stuff -meant to destroy the country. it works well in the usa, destruction is the end game
but we are taking in half of mexico and almost all of Honduras, texas is now a third world country, especially here in Austin, Austin is not America any longer, I live in the state of mexihondo
Obama doesn't give a rip about Hillary's campaign. The refugees will start to flow over here before long. It's well documented plans are already in place for it to start.
The Arab nations did nothing to prevent it either. And several EU countries sent troops to Afghanistan and continue to do so.
True. My point is that it was not handled adequately. It will take strong military action to eliminate Isis. The EU appears to rely on America for leadership with this. Dude, it's their problem. Man up. And if we take these people we are ABSOLUTELY NUTS!!
This is why I believe WWIII has begun. EU leaders are as weak as Obama. (Perhaps idealistic is a better word than weak.)
AS Europe frets over what to do about the hundreds of thousands of refugees pouring onto the Continent, it occurs to me that the ancient Romans, as they so often do, might offer a solution.
The ancient Romans used to reward their legionnaires with plots of land, through a system known as “centuriation.” The Romans adopted the system in the fourth century B.C., when Rome was still a vibrant republic. But it lasted for hundreds of years, involving former servicemen from all over the empire.
Centuriation had several advantages. The first was, obviously, strategic, as it created a permanent military presence. The second was economic: Veterans would farm uncultivated areas, produce wealth that went back into the community, and take care of themselves. The third was demographic: Those early pioneers and their families populated vast tracts of Italy and the lands beyond.
One particularly aggressive proponent of centuriation was Emperor Septimius Severus, who ruled from A.D. 192 to 211 and whose 400,000-man army was spread across an empire of 70 million people, from the Atlantic to the eastern shores of the Black Sea and from northern England to southern Egypt. Severus didn’t want to leave his veterans idle, and when they retired he gave them plots of uncultivated or abandoned land, either free or for a very low price.
Traces of Roman centuriation are still to be found in southern France and parts of Spain, but most of those soldiers-turned-pioneers developed vast, underpopulated parts of Italy. The typical Roman layout of a square grid, appearing in the form of roads, canals and agricultural plots, can still be spotted in Lombardy, near Bergamo; in Tuscany, around Florence; in Romagna and in Campania. Around Padua, in the Veneto region, a large area is still known as “Graticolato Romano,” the Roman Gridiron.
Beppe Severgnini
Italian politics and culture.
So why don’t we try something similar with modern migrants?
True, they haven’t fought any wars for Italy; they’re running away from wars, in places like Syria, or escaping sub-Saharan poverty and authoritarian regimes. But they have the right skills. While well-educated migrants aim for Germany and Northern Europe, those who stay in Italy tend to be farmers, builders and artisans. Most of them are young and used to hard work. And parts of our country, from the rural south to the hilltop villages of central Italy, are depopulating fast. Italy is aging. It needs new people.
Sure, there may be a few devils in the details. Would the Italians who remain in these regions welcome them? Would the migrants even want to go there in the first place? Who would pay for their accommodation and equipment, and provide an initial income to get them started? But there are also obvious advantages.
For the newcomers, to start with. Living in a peaceful Italian village, with no one harassing or shooting them, is a good way to restart their lives.
Italy would gain, too: Mountain areas in Abruzzo and Molise are losing their inhabitants at a steady pace, and some villages have been deserted altogether. In Sardinia — arguably the most beautiful island in the Mediterranean — 83 percent of people live in small settlements with populations under 5,000, and those villages are emptying out; 33 are predicted to shut down in the coming decades. With incomers to tend it, Italy’s lovely but fragile territory could be taken care of.
Modern-day centuriation would bring a third advantage. The growing number of Italians worried about immigration, and those leaning toward xenophobia, would see the newcomers in a different light. People initially in need of help, of course — but also offering something in return. Not foreigners claiming benefits, but workers contributing their own skills to help make and fix things in their new homeland.
Yes, there would be cultural differences to iron out. But Italy is more diverse than we think: Albanian and Greek linguistic minorities are still to be found across the south of the country. French is spoken in the northwest, German in South Tyrol and Slavic languages in the northeast. Arabic can be heard in southern Sicily.
And, again, when immigrants are needed, everything becomes easier. Wealthy dairy farmers in the Po Valley — not exactly the most open-minded section of Italian society — were happy when Indians, especially Sikhs, recently settled there to tend their cattle. If they left, the whole business would come to a grinding halt.
Ancient centuriation to manage modern immigration, then — could it work? History, geography, economy and common sense all point in the same direction. But obviously it’s not enough. What’s also needed is farsighted political leadership. The ancient Romans had it. What about the modern ones?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/opinion/let-refugees-settle-italys-empty-spaces.html?ref=opinion
The ancient Romans used to reward their legionnaires with plots of land, through a system known as “centuriation.” The Romans adopted the system in the fourth century B.C., when Rome was still a vibrant republic. But it lasted for hundreds of years, involving former servicemen from all over the empire.
Centuriation had several advantages. The first was, obviously, strategic, as it created a permanent military presence. The second was economic: Veterans would farm uncultivated areas, produce wealth that went back into the community, and take care of themselves. The third was demographic: Those early pioneers and their families populated vast tracts of Italy and the lands beyond.
One particularly aggressive proponent of centuriation was Emperor Septimius Severus, who ruled from A.D. 192 to 211 and whose 400,000-man army was spread across an empire of 70 million people, from the Atlantic to the eastern shores of the Black Sea and from northern England to southern Egypt. Severus didn’t want to leave his veterans idle, and when they retired he gave them plots of uncultivated or abandoned land, either free or for a very low price.
Traces of Roman centuriation are still to be found in southern France and parts of Spain, but most of those soldiers-turned-pioneers developed vast, underpopulated parts of Italy. The typical Roman layout of a square grid, appearing in the form of roads, canals and agricultural plots, can still be spotted in Lombardy, near Bergamo; in Tuscany, around Florence; in Romagna and in Campania. Around Padua, in the Veneto region, a large area is still known as “Graticolato Romano,” the Roman Gridiron.
Beppe Severgnini
Italian politics and culture.
So why don’t we try something similar with modern migrants?
True, they haven’t fought any wars for Italy; they’re running away from wars, in places like Syria, or escaping sub-Saharan poverty and authoritarian regimes. But they have the right skills. While well-educated migrants aim for Germany and Northern Europe, those who stay in Italy tend to be farmers, builders and artisans. Most of them are young and used to hard work. And parts of our country, from the rural south to the hilltop villages of central Italy, are depopulating fast. Italy is aging. It needs new people.
Sure, there may be a few devils in the details. Would the Italians who remain in these regions welcome them? Would the migrants even want to go there in the first place? Who would pay for their accommodation and equipment, and provide an initial income to get them started? But there are also obvious advantages.
For the newcomers, to start with. Living in a peaceful Italian village, with no one harassing or shooting them, is a good way to restart their lives.
Italy would gain, too: Mountain areas in Abruzzo and Molise are losing their inhabitants at a steady pace, and some villages have been deserted altogether. In Sardinia — arguably the most beautiful island in the Mediterranean — 83 percent of people live in small settlements with populations under 5,000, and those villages are emptying out; 33 are predicted to shut down in the coming decades. With incomers to tend it, Italy’s lovely but fragile territory could be taken care of.
Modern-day centuriation would bring a third advantage. The growing number of Italians worried about immigration, and those leaning toward xenophobia, would see the newcomers in a different light. People initially in need of help, of course — but also offering something in return. Not foreigners claiming benefits, but workers contributing their own skills to help make and fix things in their new homeland.
Yes, there would be cultural differences to iron out. But Italy is more diverse than we think: Albanian and Greek linguistic minorities are still to be found across the south of the country. French is spoken in the northwest, German in South Tyrol and Slavic languages in the northeast. Arabic can be heard in southern Sicily.
And, again, when immigrants are needed, everything becomes easier. Wealthy dairy farmers in the Po Valley — not exactly the most open-minded section of Italian society — were happy when Indians, especially Sikhs, recently settled there to tend their cattle. If they left, the whole business would come to a grinding halt.
Ancient centuriation to manage modern immigration, then — could it work? History, geography, economy and common sense all point in the same direction. But obviously it’s not enough. What’s also needed is farsighted political leadership. The ancient Romans had it. What about the modern ones?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/opinion/let-refugees-settle-italys-empty-spaces.html?ref=opinion
It is my understanding it isn't they are Arabs so much as they are the wrong tribe. That's why they are fleeing Syria/Middle East. Most Euros don't have the time of day for them, either. There is no "happy welfare" state in Europe either. Ever been to Hungary? Remember "Lawrence of Arabia"? It's all about tribes.
If they have accurately determined that this Russian Airliner was in fact brought down by a bomb..........we may have just witnessed this generation's "Sinking of the Lusitania"...........
You know, I had my doubts about ISIS actually bringing down that Russian plane. However you can't ignore Russia getting involved in Syria and then this happening. If in fact we discover this was ISIS' doing, Putin will exterminate those guys. He's always struck me as a ruthless man who put on more of a show than anything. He likes to come off as a gentleman who's in charge, but underneath it all I feel like he's a guy who really doesn't give a flying 'ef what anyone else thinks. He will kill in a heartbeat and won't think twice about the ramifications.
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