Guys I don't think Iowa will make a big jump in W's next year. Overall record should be better but all B1G teams return almost everyone. Wiscy, Mich, and Illinois all lose a lot of seniors. But everyone else including Indiana have almost their entire teams coming back. B1G is gonna be tough as hell next year. Now some players could bounce early but I doubt many do. Bridges is the only guy I think is worth a 1st round pick out of this league so I can't see many leaving.
Expectations for 17-18
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I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you on this one.
Yeah, no. I gotta disagree as well.
I disagree as well. Iowa should be an NCAA team next year and I will be disappointed if they are not. We'll see what the schedules look like and go from there. I'm not thinking about next year yet, still a lot to play for this year.
I think they have a better than 50/50 shot at making the NCAA as an at large next year.
But there is a fair amount coming back for some of the teams in conference that will make it a tough fight.
Hopefully non con will be better. Then 9-9 or more in conference will be enough.
But there is a fair amount coming back for some of the teams in conference that will make it a tough fight.
Hopefully non con will be better. Then 9-9 or more in conference will be enough.
Not to toot my own horn but if we beat Penn State tomorrow I'll end up a whole two games off from my October guess of 20-12 and 11-7 in conference.
My way too early doesn't even count as a guess for 17/18 is an easy 22 wins total, at least. When it came to returning minutes on the court, we were by far the least experienced team in the Big Ten. Next year we will be one of the most experienced in returning minutes per game.
The guys coming in, especially Garza, fill a need.
Transfers always hurt somebody. I don't see that being an issue for us with our core group of returnees.
I don't buy only one guy goes pro. Usually at least three, up to five, leave early. Doesn't mean they get drafted first round, or think they will, they just leave.
We are on the verge of a major step forward. The only question left is how high can this glacier speed (yeah, it took awhile) rise go?
My way too early doesn't even count as a guess for 17/18 is an easy 22 wins total, at least. When it came to returning minutes on the court, we were by far the least experienced team in the Big Ten. Next year we will be one of the most experienced in returning minutes per game.
The guys coming in, especially Garza, fill a need.
Transfers always hurt somebody. I don't see that being an issue for us with our core group of returnees.
I don't buy only one guy goes pro. Usually at least three, up to five, leave early. Doesn't mean they get drafted first round, or think they will, they just leave.
We are on the verge of a major step forward. The only question left is how high can this glacier speed (yeah, it took awhile) rise go?
As I said in another thread I can see a 5 game improvement in the win total for next year. At least 3 of those in the pre-conference part of the schedule.
Top 5 in the league and comfortably in the tournament.
Top 5 in the league and comfortably in the tournament.
While Iowa might have a similar conference record, I expect much better results in the non-conference, especially considering Iowa has an overseas trip this summer and will really have a chance to bond. Iowa's defense have been spectacular as of late and I expect that defensive intensity to carry over to next season.
I dunno, man. You can make the case that J-Bo, Baer and Cook project as one of the best trios in the league next year. Then throw in a sophomore Pemsyl, who will be even more man-child than he already is. Wagner all muscled out. And THEN... to top it off... If Isaiah Moss and Kreiner make a leap. Oh, and you're getting some nice frosh pieces in Garza and McCaffery.
We Iowa fans need to temper expectations a tad for next year... but there is no reason to think the 2017-18 is anything less than a B1G contender. Just look at this year's conference. Not like half the league is going to get suddenly amazing. Having watched this team grow these past few weeks, I imagine they go into next year thinking it's their league to lose.
We Iowa fans need to temper expectations a tad for next year... but there is no reason to think the 2017-18 is anything less than a B1G contender. Just look at this year's conference. Not like half the league is going to get suddenly amazing. Having watched this team grow these past few weeks, I imagine they go into next year thinking it's their league to lose.
I agree the league will be stronger and most of the progress will come out of conference.
That said we lost 2 in overtime and lost two to an IL team that will be in transition. I think 10-8 is reasonable again and 2 to 3 games better out of conference should get us in with that record. With an improved B1G that would be a lock.
That said we lost 2 in overtime and lost two to an IL team that will be in transition. I think 10-8 is reasonable again and 2 to 3 games better out of conference should get us in with that record. With an improved B1G that would be a lock.
Wait a second. You tell us to temper expectations and then proceed on with the rest of your commentary? Contradict yourself much?
Not that I disagree with you, but wow.
Your failing to appreciate how much Iowa has already improved since the start of conference season.
As it sits right now Iowa is one of the better teams in the leauge.
They could easily challenge for the league title next year.
Conference record might be similar but noncon (which is where you make your move) should be better.
MSU probably loses their stud Freshman. Purdue is going to lose Swanigan. Wisconsin loses a lot. Iowa loses Jok, but he hasn't been the impact player since he hurt his back and team won without him.
We should get to 20+ wins with ease and likely finish in top5 of B1G standings. If we have injuries or sophomore slumps then yeah, we might not do as well as we think.
The regular powers lose a lot. IU was mentioned as returning everyone; I wouldn't be surprised to see Bryant declare. He wanted another crack at a deep run and with the way this year has gone, I don't see him foing it all over again. Wisky loses A LOT and Happ is isn't as much of a threat as he seemed last year.
I think Maryland will be a real contender with Huerter and Cowen. Minnesota will be tough for another year with Coffey and Lynch. Other than those two teams and Iowa, not many teams jump out at you in regards to talent/experience.
The deciding factor will be how nuch our defense improves in the off-season. If our guys decide they want to play defense consistently like at Wisconsin, there's no reason they couldn't contend for the title. Especially with the crunch time experience and OT games where they have had to learn under fire.
I think Maryland will be a real contender with Huerter and Cowen. Minnesota will be tough for another year with Coffey and Lynch. Other than those two teams and Iowa, not many teams jump out at you in regards to talent/experience.
The deciding factor will be how nuch our defense improves in the off-season. If our guys decide they want to play defense consistently like at Wisconsin, there's no reason they couldn't contend for the title. Especially with the crunch time experience and OT games where they have had to learn under fire.
I said temper expectations a "tad" as in, you know, let's not get too carried away. Felt like the responsible thing to say. But honestly, temper be damned. Next year's team is going to be sweet.
I'm really optimistic about next season. Our returning players will just get better with time, and I'm damn sure Tyler and Cordell will help Jack and Luka tremendously when they arrive.
Our fundamentals will improve and our shooting will be one of the BIG's best. Heck, it's already happening.
Ryan (I just have a gut feeling) is gonna come out on fire. Just a feeling. Our defense is doing well at present, and as we develop a solid post presence, we're going to be tough. Jordan is unreal, and he'll lead the BIG in scoring.
Let's give Penn State a game they'll never forget tomorrow.
After we beat Wisky in Madison, I saw something I haven't seen in awhile: The players celebrating wildly, having great fun, and Tyler shouting "We're Dogs, we aint no puppies..." Maybe we should have more of that as posters, and set aside the negativity, and watch this team become the force it will be next year and after. Just my opinion.
Our fundamentals will improve and our shooting will be one of the BIG's best. Heck, it's already happening.
Ryan (I just have a gut feeling) is gonna come out on fire. Just a feeling. Our defense is doing well at present, and as we develop a solid post presence, we're going to be tough. Jordan is unreal, and he'll lead the BIG in scoring.
Let's give Penn State a game they'll never forget tomorrow.
After we beat Wisky in Madison, I saw something I haven't seen in awhile: The players celebrating wildly, having great fun, and Tyler shouting "We're Dogs, we aint no puppies..." Maybe we should have more of that as posters, and set aside the negativity, and watch this team become the force it will be next year and after. Just my opinion.
This is where I am at. Hawks should be better, but much of the rest of the conference will be better and Iowa's league schedule could be harder next year. Nothing is a given. Iowa has avoided the injury buy this year for the most part. Jok's injury hurt, but hasn't been debilitating and Iowa won the 2 games he missed.
To say we avoided the injury bug is silly. Jok missed 2 games, Cook missed several games (including the Omaha loss that is currently leaving us out of the NCAAs). Dale Jones has been out. What if he could have played and added an additional rebounder and forward who could stretch the floor and shoot 40% from 3? His career numbers say he could have... he just hasn't been healthy enough to work into the rotation. Christian Williams had some back issues that held him out of games or his minutes down.
Iowa's overall record I think (don't "expect") will improve as non-conference record I think will be better. B1G record, maybe a game or two better in win column. With a win today, 10-8 is solid. 11-7 or 12-6, with only a couple losses in non-conference, and that's a 22-8-ish season.
Lots of off season could make a big difference in what we see right now. Bryant, Trimble, swanigan, and bridges have big decisions to make.
A chronic condition can be more damaging than most people realize.
I see next years team as a solid bubble team, Losing Jok will hurt but we return everyone else and bring in a couple skilled big guys. We should come out of the non-con with maybe only 2-3 loses putting us at 10-3 or 11-3 depending on tourney results. In conference I see us taking a small step forward, just because the conference will return lots of young players that play key rolls on their team. I could see Iowa going 11-7 to 9-9 depending on a few bounces here and there. I predict Iowa to go 21-11 and make it in as a 8 seed.
The following year is the year this team should compete for a B1G title and maybe a 4-5 seed if everyone stays healthy and progresses.
The following year is the year this team should compete for a B1G title and maybe a 4-5 seed if everyone stays healthy and progresses.
I think Jok makes 1st team All B1G, and is replaced by Cook on next year's team. He's figuring it out and showing that he can finish with authority in traffic. If Bohannon/Williams/Connor can hold down PG, I think between Ellingson/Moss/Dailey (with Connor picking up a few minutes here and there) our guards will be fine and we'll be a much more interior oriented team that then shoots open 3s on kick outs. Imagine a lineup of Bohannon, Ellingson, Baer, Cook, Kriener. By next year I expect 4 of those 5 will be a threat to shoot 3 point shots, which will allow Cook to operate with space and if he gets doubled... bombs away.
Let's hope that this team doesn 't under-achieve next season as we have had late-season collapses when we were expected to contend. It was nice to see this team progress as the season went along and the improvements in team chemistry and in team playing defense.
I think Iowa's record will improve next season by a game or two. Our young talent is not only good; they are truly young- not red-shirt freshmen (except Moss), and there are kids playing high school ball who are older than Pemsl. We still have terrific three point shooters in Bohannon, Ellingson, Baer and Moss, and McCaffery..
I think Iowa makes a big jump and wins a lot in non conferance and wins 11 games in which will be a tougher B10 I see them as a way to early 5-7 seed in the tourney.
I expect Iowa to make a jump next year. 12-13 wins in conference. 22-24 wins going into the conference tournament. I expect Cook to average 16 and 8. I expect Moss to average 12 points a game and to have some games where he is dominant offensively. I expect the rest of the core players to improve, too, I just think Cook and Moss will be the most dramatic.
Iowa went 10-8 in conference this season. I think 9-9 is way underestimating this team.
I know Iowa sports typically disappoints with expectations. However, there is no real reason Iowa can't legitimately compete for the conference crown next season.
Aside from the usual catastrophic misfortune that attends Iowa BBall there is every reason to be very optimistic about the 2018 season.
This freshman group is deep and talented. Every player from two to ten returns. Several guys have shown the ability to score and obviously the major improvement in defense is obvious all the way around. Cook, Pemsl, Kreiner, Wagner and Garza sound like a pulverizing inside game. Throw in the force multiplication when McC opens the Baer Cage. If Ellingson and Moss improve Iowa has that spot held down. Jordan is good already and should also only get better. Williams is now contributing.
Iowa will have placed a different guy on the All Conference first team in four consecutive years. If you start with a higher talent base and get similar improvement the result should be even better. Its also fair to say that this group young guys have shown a level of grit and execution under pressure that we haven't seen around Iowa for a long time.
This freshman group is deep and talented. Every player from two to ten returns. Several guys have shown the ability to score and obviously the major improvement in defense is obvious all the way around. Cook, Pemsl, Kreiner, Wagner and Garza sound like a pulverizing inside game. Throw in the force multiplication when McC opens the Baer Cage. If Ellingson and Moss improve Iowa has that spot held down. Jordan is good already and should also only get better. Williams is now contributing.
Iowa will have placed a different guy on the All Conference first team in four consecutive years. If you start with a higher talent base and get similar improvement the result should be even better. Its also fair to say that this group young guys have shown a level of grit and execution under pressure that we haven't seen around Iowa for a long time.
If the 17-18 Iowa BB team was a stock offering, I'd be a buyer. If this team commits to a higher level of defensive commitment next season it could be a special one.
