Farmer Clone
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So let's figure this out. The Big 12 lost to the following seeds:
14,14, 8, 7, 7, 6 & 1.
Is that correct? No shame in the 1 & 6 loses. 7s are little dicey when your teams are 2 & 3 seeds. The 8 was fine. Those two 14s probably sting a lil.
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14,14, 8, 7, 7, 6 & 1.
Is that correct? No shame in the 1 & 6 loses. 7s are little dicey when your teams are 2 & 3 seeds. The 8 was fine. Those two 14s probably sting a lil.
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I'm not calling anyone out but the Big 12 was never the best basketball league this season. They had some good wins and built a nice resume (RPI) in December and then played each other the next 2 and a half months, so after each loss it could be said "hey, that's not a bad loss, look at the ranking of the team they played". They were also aided by the fact they only have 10 teams. Still some bad teams to pull down your power ranking (choose your favorite), just not as many as the other power conferences. Their conference champion would not have won the title in any other major conference (would have struggled mightily to finish in the top 4 of the ACC). The committee set the Big 12 up for big time success with some favorable seedings and here we are only halfway through the tournament and they're done. Again.
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You won't hear a peep from the Clown fans on this site. I bet ClownSigh doesn't even know ISU's eliminated.
I've posted several times on this site, and I concur that the Big XII was over-seeded.
Learn to read.
Even if you discount the ISU and Baylor losses as anomalies? And what about the style of officiating? It wasn't the same as during the Big Twelve's regular season with crack officials like John Higgins:
Are you really sure the Big Twelve was over-seeded?
I would love to see my exact quote because I usually stay away from making any predictions. Did I predict any Final Four teams?
Ok then Farmer just tell us how right I was in saying the Texas Ten was over-rated and the the tourney would prove it. While you are at it you can say that SOS is as meaningless as I have been claiming it is.
Or ignore as you usually do.
This post was edited on 3/28 1:03 PM by 100yearscounting
Hollywood Higgins called the Wichita State win over Kansas. He's actually been pretty decent the past couple of seasons.Originally posted by DanL53:
Even if you discount the ISU and Baylor losses as anomalies? And what about the style of officiating? It wasn't the same as during the Big Twelve's regular season with crack officials like John Higgins:
Are you really sure the Big Twelve was over-seeded?
Do you not undertand that "overseeded" is the same thing as "overrated"? They were seeded higher than they should have been; e.g., they were not as good as they were perceived to be, i.e., they were overrated.
Oh no Farmer, a Big Ten team won two more games than any from the Texas Ten. Yep the same one I said would outplay the Texas Ten.
Ouch.
Ouch.
Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Hollywood Higgins called the Wichita State win over Kansas. He's actually been pretty decent the past couple of seasons.Originally posted by DanL53:
Even if you discount the ISU and Baylor losses as anomalies? And what about the style of officiating? It wasn't the same as during the Big Twelve's regular season with crack officials like John Higgins:
Are you really sure the Big Twelve was over-seeded?
Do you not undertand that "overseeded" is the same thing as "overrated"? They were seeded higher than they should have been; e.g., they were not as good as they were perceived to be, i.e., they were overrated.
So you are saying the Big Twelve was overrated? I thought you made some good points about the refs and the anomalies.
Yes, I think it's difficult to argue otherwise in view of the tournament showing of the league's teams.Originally posted by DanL53:
Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Hollywood Higgins called the Wichita State win over Kansas. He's actually been pretty decent the past couple of seasons.Originally posted by DanL53:
Even if you discount the ISU and Baylor losses as anomalies? And what about the style of officiating? It wasn't the same as during the Big Twelve's regular season with crack officials like John Higgins:
Are you really sure the Big Twelve was over-seeded?
Do you not undertand that "overseeded" is the same thing as "overrated"? They were seeded higher than they should have been; e.g., they were not as good as they were perceived to be, i.e., they were overrated.
So you are saying the Big Twelve was overrated? I thought you made some good points about the refs and the anomalies.
How does one conference get more teams in the NCAA tourney than others? It's all based on how they do in the non-conference season. If some typical 1 bid conference (like the MAC) picks up a bunch of wins vs the ACC, Big 10, Big 12 and SEC in the non-conference season.....then it's safe to assume they picked up some respect and will have several NCAA tourney bids at the end of the season. The conference season for them will just sort out which ones it will be.
The Big 12 had a solid non-conference as they had big wins vs the other power conferences......which justified their NCAA tourney seeds.
The Big 10 had a weak non-conference showing with really Wisconsin and Maryland the only ones that really showed up. Most of the other teams in the conference had poor head to head showings vs the other power conferences. Ex - Michigan St did well vs the crap teams, but lost their 3 power conference matchups and then had another poor loss vs Texas Southern.
Obviously the Big 12 had a poor showing in the NCAA tourney, but it's tough to say they didn't deserve the seeds they received.
The Big 12 had a solid non-conference as they had big wins vs the other power conferences......which justified their NCAA tourney seeds.
The Big 10 had a weak non-conference showing with really Wisconsin and Maryland the only ones that really showed up. Most of the other teams in the conference had poor head to head showings vs the other power conferences. Ex - Michigan St did well vs the crap teams, but lost their 3 power conference matchups and then had another poor loss vs Texas Southern.
Obviously the Big 12 had a poor showing in the NCAA tourney, but it's tough to say they didn't deserve the seeds they received.
Originally posted by DanL53:
Let's give the Big Twelve and the SEC credit for knowing how to play the NCAA Selection Committee's criteria to the hilt.
RPI?
Based on what would the Big 10 have deserved better seeds? Playing the right teams inflated the Big 12? I am not sure I buy that as an answer. It's called beating other top teams from other conferences and then avoiding horrible losses vs poor teams.
If Michigan St would have gone 0-14 in the non-conference, if they went onto go 12-6 like they did in the Big 10....then they aren't getting an NCAA bid regardless of how good their team is playing at the end of the season.
Ultimately the seeding in the NCAA is meaningless unless you win the games.
If Michigan St would have gone 0-14 in the non-conference, if they went onto go 12-6 like they did in the Big 10....then they aren't getting an NCAA bid regardless of how good their team is playing at the end of the season.
Ultimately the seeding in the NCAA is meaningless unless you win the games.
This is not really that accurate. The RPI loved the Big 12 because
1. It won at a high percentage (highest percentage since the 80s) winning 82% of it's non-con games compared to 75% for Big 10
2. It did not lose to bad teams (only 2 losses I believe to a team outside the top 125 compared to at least 9 for Big Ten)
3. Even the bad teams were not that bad in the non con. TCU was 14-0 with a win at Ole Miss. Tech was not great but had only one sub 125 loss.
Curious to hear you elaborate on your comment about "playing the right teams". KU played the toughest schedule in the nation in the non-con. ISU played Maryland, Iowa, Arkansas, Bama, Georgia State. WVU played NC State, LSU, UConn. Oklahoma played Butler, UCLA, Wisconsin, Tulsa. KSU played Purdue, Arizona, Georgia, Texas A&M, Pitt. Texas played Kentucky, Iowa, Stanford, UConn. Baylor played a so-so slate with Stephen F Austin, Texas A&M, Memphis, Illinois, Vandy. OSU was fairly soft with Maryland, Memphis and a few others. What makes this list the "right teams"?
TCU? Texas Tech? K State played Pitt! Jesus, nobody cares. I'm gonna give you a phrase to remember FC. "Coffee is for closers". How you finish is the only thing that matters. The Big 12's "vaunted" schedule didn't give them the testicles to finish against 14 seeds. But please, continue telling us about which teams beat Vandy and Texas A&M.
Hey Farmer,
I was right yet again. The Texas Ten proved to be over-rated and Wisky outperformed the Texas Ten as a whole. Now if MSU takes care of business today the Big Ten can argue as being the best yet again.
I was right yet again. The Texas Ten proved to be over-rated and Wisky outperformed the Texas Ten as a whole. Now if MSU takes care of business today the Big Ten can argue as being the best yet again.
Bustahcap, have a copy of my statement you are attributing to me? Can I assume from your response that you also do not understand what Dan's phrase "right teams" means?
And as per Big 12 always sucking, the following link discusses conferences and success and lack thereof historically. Big 12 historically has been bad at making it past the Elite Eight but has been much better than the Big Ten at getting past the Sweet Sixteen. The fact that only one team has made the Final Four is not an end all of tournament success. But I do not see any Final Four teams in this year's Big 12 though I think there could be 4 or so Sweet Sixteen type teams and maybe a few Elite Eight.
Here's your last paragraph of your big 12 manifesto. I guess I should give you credit for predicting no final four teams. Should've taken their pathetic finish a step further though.
Here's your last paragraph of your big 12 manifesto. I guess I should give you credit for predicting no final four teams. Should've taken their pathetic finish a step further though.
Wow, I really boldly claimed there would be 4 and 2 huh? I know see why you are so upset that you felt the need to call me out on my bold "prediction".
Local sports radio last week was saying that the Big 12 issues in this tournament should not be a surprise. Their best win out of conference all year not on their home floors was Kansas over Utah in Kansas City. They then said the actual best true road win all year was Iowa State at Iowa.
The Big 12 was a bunch of mediocre teams. Kansas was honestly one of the worst power five conference champs in recent memory. They got smoked by Wichita State in the second round and ended up with nine losses. I watched KU play several times this year and they were not very good.
Then, you have Oklahoma who somehow gets a three seed despite TEN losses? Yet Michigan State gets a SEVEN seed with a very similar record. It's okay though because they got to play and see who was actually better.
The Big 12 needs to learn how to play defense. They don't play it in any sport apparently. Overrated conference again and again.
Then, you have Oklahoma who somehow gets a three seed despite TEN losses? Yet Michigan State gets a SEVEN seed with a very similar record. It's okay though because they got to play and see who was actually better.
The Big 12 needs to learn how to play defense. They don't play it in any sport apparently. Overrated conference again and again.
The Texas Ten proves they are over rated for what the 4th year in a row and Farmer ignores it. Don't worry folks just as the sun rising in the east, he and or other clown fans will be back touting SOS and just how great the Texas Ten is for football and or basketball. Maybe someday reality will match the view of clown fans.
I mean don't they eventually have to get one right?
I mean don't they eventually have to get one right?
KU beat Utah (Pac 12 #2) on a semi-neutral floor, Georgetown (Big East #2) at Georgetown and beat Michigan State on a neutral floor. They are not even close to the best KU team we have seen recently, but they beat some of the best teams from other leagues this year.
Yet when the post season rolls around the Texas Ten proves its is over rated.
Keep ignoring that part Farmer and I will keep reminding you.
Keep ignoring that part Farmer and I will keep reminding you.
The clowns would have been smoked by Gonzaga. But UAB did the job.
Hey keep your heads up clown fans isu stayed with the 5th best team in CUSA.
Hey keep your heads up clown fans isu stayed with the 5th best team in CUSA.
Farmer, you forget where you're posting. The rules here are that actual game outcomes don't matter, but results against different teams do.
Actually the rules varry by what clown fans want to argue. The Directors Cup is meaningfull only in certain and select time frames and ways. Oh and only when clown fans say it counts.
Big 12 sucks, terrible "prediction". The conference always relies on threes and bad transition defense from their opponents. Not a recipe for success.
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