If Brian is the heir apparent, when does he get the OC job? Or is he going from position coach to HC?
Ferentz's Contract: an opposing viewpoint
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If KF continues to have a high level of success, combined with his long tenure, the Iowa Football program will be talked about with the same reverence as PSU used to be talked about with JoePa. The terms legendary and storied will be thrown around because you just don't find these long tenured coaches anymore. Iowa, Oklahoma, K-State and that's about it now that Frank Beamer has retired from Va Tech. That's something of real value for the Iowa Football program. Besides, what assistant coaches wouldn't want the opportunity to work with a storied coach like KF? That's where the real coaching is once coaches get older and go into a more CEO role, ala Bobby Bowden.
I view this as a good thing and the haters can hate all they want. KF competitiveness isn't going to allow this ship to sink again. There is a renewed competitive fire in New Kirk.
I view this as a good thing and the haters can hate all they want. KF competitiveness isn't going to allow this ship to sink again. There is a renewed competitive fire in New Kirk.
No way does KF walk away and just retire from Iowa football, especially if Brian is still coaching. He will leave Iowa due to failing health or he will be fired. Can anyone name me a coach in the last 20 years who was 65+ and just walked away from the game when they were still performing well? The majority are good coaches and slip into mediocrity (would have been KF if he hadn't gone 12-0) or are fired. I have no issue with the salary but the length of contract and buyout are dumb.
I usually agree with you on a lot of issues but not this one. Bowden was fired. I use him as the argument against planned coaching transitions and why Brian will never be a coach at Iowa. He may leave and then come back but he will not transition to the coach. Beamer is a great coach but he retired after a 4 year run of mediocrity.
Whether Iowa can afford it or not, it's just a bad business move to include a buyout like that in this circumstance.
Food for thought. For all those who don't like KF where do you think the recruiting classes in the future be if he was to be killed in a car wreck on the way to game? Down the toilet.
There will always be more to college football than won loss records. Future fathers, husbands, college graduates, community leaders, the lists is ongoing. I for one am proud of Iowa football and what and who it produces. The arm chair quarterbacks of this world sometimes can't see the forest for the trees.
There will always be more to college football than won loss records. Future fathers, husbands, college graduates, community leaders, the lists is ongoing. I for one am proud of Iowa football and what and who it produces. The arm chair quarterbacks of this world sometimes can't see the forest for the trees.
Buckle up for the ride ... my gut tells me you might just enjoy the outcomes of the '16 and '17 seasons too! Just lucky seasons though ... of course!
No one has said they don't like Kirk. He would be the first coach I would want my son to play for.
Again Kirk deserves his salary imo. The buyout is just a bad move. To say we could afford his buy out is just irresponsible as well
We saw the emergence of the 2002 season. We saw the 1st turnaround culminating in the 2009 season. We saw the 2nd turnaround culminating in the 2015 season. Hopefully it's not needed ... but Ferentz has proven that he's an excellent teacher, an adaptable coach, and, generally, a reflective, thoughtful fellow ... thus, a 3rd turnaround could be done as well.
As for exuberant prediction ... look at the roster for the '16 season. The personnel is clearly there ... the experience is clearly there ... the leadership APPEARS to be there. The only intangible we fans are too ignorant to know about is chemistry. I claim no knowledge about the chemistry of the '16 squads and beyond. I grant you that I most certainly "hope" that the chemistry is great. As we learned in '15 ... great chemistry, talent, and great attention to detail can get you far.
All I know is that chemistry is something that typically reflects the people who are there, the nature of the environment, AND the infrastructure present to help maintain it. My hunch ... and I claim that it is no more than a hunch ... is that most of the ingredients are already there as dictated by the equilibrium of the coaching staff and the existence of the new facilities. My hope is that the younger players learn from the older ones and pass on the important lessons learned from the leaner years.
The biggest factor that typically limits a program like the Hawks is the level of the QB play. We needed a Banks for the '02 season, we needed a Tate for the '04 season, we needed a Stanzi for the '09 season, and we needed a Beathard for the '15 (and '16) season(s). I'm admittedly putting the cart before the horse ... however, I find it enormously promising that a guy like Stanley could usurp a pretty established #2 QB in Wiegers. Personnel is already setting up for '17 to be an exceptionally solid "transition" year. Given where Iowa has been working at developing depth ... holes in our personnel are closing. By '18 and '19 ... we might be seeing our program peak yet again.
Tom Osborne retired from Nebraska immediately after winning his 3rd National Championship in 1997. I do not know if others have done something similar, but Tom definitely went out on top. At age 66 (I think).
LOL. Last season must been awful for a miserable asshat like yourself. And I hate break it to you but we weren't lucky last year. But maybe you can regale us with all those lucky bounces like losing our best defensive player and running back for most of the season or having a QB banged up and playing at about 70%.
Of course why am I wasting time with you? You have zero credibility, which was confirmed by your typical one-trick post.
You're right. I forgot about Osborne. Thanks. Alvarez was another I came up with later (age 59) but obviously moved to AD
From a business/money perspective I don't understand allowing the buyout to be as ridiculous as it is. I don't mind the extension for recruiting, but the buyout....c'mon! I was certainly bashing Barta for the buyout in place for the extension through 2020 because I couldn't believe any AD would ever agree to such a stupid contract, yet here goes Barta again making it even worse.
The thing that will keep some of you happy is a wining record. To make sure this happens Barta/Ferentz have setup the schedule to pretty much guarantee 3 wins out of conference because they schedule cupcakes; by being in the weaker division of the Big Ten there are about 4 guaranteed wins as part of their Big schedule. This ensures that Iowa will at least be a 7 win team yearly and will be bowl eligible. This is the level of expectation of Barta. As long as Iowa goes to a bowl, no matter how crappy it is, Iowa is successful and it keeps him and Ferentz employed. Bravo! Now I need to figure out how to pull a scam like this in my life where I'm paid very highly with average expectations and guaranteed employment.......it's just a dream though sadly for the rest of us.....if only real life was like an Iowa coaching contract.
The thing that will keep some of you happy is a wining record. To make sure this happens Barta/Ferentz have setup the schedule to pretty much guarantee 3 wins out of conference because they schedule cupcakes; by being in the weaker division of the Big Ten there are about 4 guaranteed wins as part of their Big schedule. This ensures that Iowa will at least be a 7 win team yearly and will be bowl eligible. This is the level of expectation of Barta. As long as Iowa goes to a bowl, no matter how crappy it is, Iowa is successful and it keeps him and Ferentz employed. Bravo! Now I need to figure out how to pull a scam like this in my life where I'm paid very highly with average expectations and guaranteed employment.......it's just a dream though sadly for the rest of us.....if only real life was like an Iowa coaching contract.
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Is it possible that Barta really does want to handcuff the program to keeping Kirk? I don't know what Barta's future plans for himself are, but if he thinks he is moving on in a few years, perhaps he wants to make it difficult for his successor to get rid of Kirk.
And in such a case, the firing would be with cause, and the buyout would not be paid.
And yet Iowa fans used to get their panties in a bunch about losing Ferentz to the NFL every time we had a really good season. Now there is no concern about that ... and Ferentz has proven time and time again that he's not willing to keep the car in cruise-control.
Sometimes contracts are about retention of assets too.
I certainly understand why tOSU writer would take the position he did. One thing that he probably doesn't know is that prior to Hayden Fry coming to Iowa, in the previous 18 seasons Iowa went through 4 coaches, none of who had a winning season, 3 of the 4 were there for 5 years and 1 for 3 years. I could point out that none had Iowa to a post season bowl game. I know, many of those years only the conference champion went to the Rose Bowl, but since none of those coaches had a winning season it made no difference.
The nature of fandom.
We have had 2 coaches, 2 really good coaches, since 1979. That is what separates us from being Illinois, Purdue or Minnesota.
If a segment of our fan base had their way, we would have had about 6 coaches in this timeframe and far less success.
Assuming KF coaches into his 70s, as others have stated he will take on more of a CEO roll and one of the coordinators will become the assistant head coach and heir apparent to take the job when KF calls it quits. This coordinator will probably be a younger, up and coming coordinator. GD isn't going to be around too much longer. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that BF takes the roll as OC and after a few years gets a assistant coach title.
How long does PP stick it out? Does KF promote a new DC from within or bring someone in from outside the program? Would this individual be the heir apparent? Who is the front runner?
It appears to be based solely on the fact he is his son, and literally no other reason.
It is an absurd claim that I am in disbelief is so prevalent.
The same was being said when he was hired to begin with. Even though he was a pretty decent position coach under Bill Belicheck.
