Fire this damned idiot
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We talking about the soon to be new OC? I'm at least giving him a quarter and a half before I call for his head.
The dumbest part of this coaching loss is having two timeouts with 2 seconds left, and thinking a half court catch and shoot is better than a half court catch and timeout. We should've had an inbounds on the other end to win the game with 1 second left. Fran is simply one of the dumbest situational coaches on planet earth.
never gonna happen
you aren’t firing your schools winningest coach
best chance is get asked to step down, but I don’t see that happening without a losing season (or two)
you aren’t firing your schools winningest coach
best chance is get asked to step down, but I don’t see that happening without a losing season (or two)
Beth needs to take Him to the Train station
Llllllllllllloooollllll
Wow.
In actual reality, how often has this actually happen? This isn’t NBA 2k. You’re completely at liberty of the ref determining you have possession of the ball and honoring timeout. It would look a thousand times worst not getting a timeout acknowledged rather than throwing up a shot.
The disappointment was scoring much below average game total and field goal drought the last five minutes, and then letting one player beat you when Maryland had zero interest in anyone else having the ball the last three possessions. Oh and Sandfort and Patrick’s play. If Patrick isn’t ready don’t give him 10 minutes.
Iowa had a look with their best shooter, off balance like many of sandforts attempts he chucks up early on the shot clock.
who has the most losses as a coach for Iowa?
Agree, Fran may get a little pass for having to rebuild from the disaster of Lickliter. However, I would love to see tournament wins. Fran has no clue how to build a team for March. We will forever be stuck in mediocrity as long as he's our coach. We are always so afraid of what could happen if we make a change, but at some point, when the fans are this apathetic, I don't understand how you can't consider mutually parting ways. It won't happen. Barta is to blame for the contract. So we are stuck watching (or not watching) this shit show for a while.Fran does, his winning % is also much lower than Tom Davis and barely above Alford
It's interesting in not even a full season more, the teams Fran have coached have played 50 more games than the teams that Davis coached.Fran does, his winning % is also much lower than Tom Davis and barely above Alford
Again, credit for the Lick rebuild, but 44 more loses in a bit over a half season more?
Let's take this year out and look at Fran's first 13 full seasons (Davis had 13). Iowa played 19 games so far this year, so that means Fran coached 437 games in his first 13 years. Davis 409. Difference of 28 games. Over 13 years, that's 2.15 games more per season for Fran's teams.
Also factor in that there was no Big 10 tournament until Davis' second to last season at Iowa, and the Big 10 has had 20 game schedules since 2018-19. I think it was always 18 games in Dr. Tom's day. For those reasons alone, Fran's Iowa teams are currently playing 3 more games per year minimum that most Davis teams did not play.
I thought it was strange at first, too, but it makes sense when you break it down.
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And, with the addition of 2 conference games each season and the conference tourney, I would bet the quality of competition each year for Fran's teams would be higher/more challenging.
Yes. Fran is playing 21+ conference games right now. Davis just 18 until the Big 10 tournament started in '98. Davis never won a BTT game, so I guess he had 19 conference games those last 2 years.
On the flip side, the top half of the Big 10 was pretty salty back in Dr. Tom's day, and you usually had to play everyone twice with the smaller conference. Knight, Keady, Henson, Heathcote/Izzo, Frieder/Fisher, Gary Williams, etc.
I'm not sure how Fran and Davis non-conference SOS compares. I remember both playing some tough games, and both had their fair share of cupcakes.
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Stopping recruiting so many white guys is a hell of a start.
Feel free to choose another team to bring your high level of fan intellect to.
Ah, the old "go root for another team" nonsense.
B1G has added historical basketball doormats Rutgers and Nebraska---are those the higher quality competition teams you speak of? Maryland also got added to B1G, and has been generally a strong program but they haven been what they were back in the days when they were an ACC team. The B1G itself is a much weaker conference than it was back in days of Tom Davis.
Wasn't Rutgers pretty good the last few years? Nebraska is stronger this year. And both were/are likely stronger than many non-conference opponents.
If you just consider the Big Ten games -- Fran is 129-123 (51%). Dr. Tom was 125-105 (54%) -- Fran has advanced to the second round of the NCAA 3 of 7 times, Dr. Tom advanced at least to the second round all 9 times -- regional semis twice and regional finals once. Fran is a good mid-major level coach. Even when he had the POY they didn't get much done in the post season and never won a Big Ten Regular Season Championship and Dr. Tom's teams never won a Big Ten Regular Season Championship. Lute won 1 in 9 years while Ralph Miller won 2 in 6 years. Miller's 1970 team went undefeated in Big Ten play scoring over 100 fourteen times (without the 3 pt shot).
I actually think Fran is one of the better coaches I have seen at designing in-bounds plays.
Iowa's performance in the NCAA tournament is the problem. It has been pathetic.
It is funny the Payton was yelling a Owen for not staying vertical on his fourth foul. His defense on the deciding play was remarkable bad.
Iowa's performance in the NCAA tournament is the problem. It has been pathetic.
It is funny the Payton was yelling a Owen for not staying vertical on his fourth foul. His defense on the deciding play was remarkable bad.
no seriously, why do people put themselves through things that make them unhappy? Instead of complaining and hoping for something over which you have no control over, maybe try something else that you do have control over.
Thanks for posting this. I had to look it up - last regular season BIG championship was 1979. Lord…Fran does, his winning % is also much lower than Tom Davis and barely above Alford
Im not sure why so many are scared of change. It may be worse but also could be better. IMO just cuz some of us want to see change or something different doesn't mean the Fran era is a failure. He did great initially but clearly there is a plateau.
I dunno.....maybe because those folks are passionate about their team and want them to be the best they can be? A crazy thought, I know.
And it's not like this isn't the case WITH EVERY OTHER FAN BASE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF ORGANIZED SPORTS.
which might explain why there are so many unhappy people walking around
Like it or not, sports, for fans, are just entertainment. If you don't like the movie you are watching, most people turn the channel or leave the theater.
The problem is, many fans approach watching sports the same way they did when they were playing. They think they are a part of the competition. They aren't. And they have no control over the outcome.
The mistake you are making is that being unhappy with how a person's sports team is doing means they are "unhappy people". Not remotely true except for a small minority.
Also....when you are a fan of a team, you are usually a fan for life. You can't just "change the channel" and switch to another team. It doesn't work that way.
You are WAY overestimating the effect sports has on the everyday life's of the vast majority of fans.
While true (overestimating the effect sports has on everyday's life), we also underestimate what normal people think their knowledge of sports is.
It's a true balancing act.
I’m tired of averaging 85 ppg. I want to average in the low 60’s so we can bitch about the offense. Sure this team is frustrating, especially on defense, but they are fun to watch.
The Dr. Tom VS Fran arguments are kind of played out. Davis was handed a roster with 7 players who had at the very least a cup of coffee in the NBA. Fran inherited one such player.
Fran went 54-50 his first 3 years. Davis went 77-25. After that 3 year period Davis went 193-114(.628) Fran 217-132(.621)
After the first 3 years, Davis’ teams went to the tournament 6 times, advancing to the 2nd round 6 times, the S16 once.
Fran on the other hand has made 6 tournament appearances(not counting Covid year) advancing to the R32 4 times, with no S16 appearances.
You have to give the edge to Davis but it’s pretty damn close. One S16 for Fran and the differences are negligible. Just my worthless 2 cents.
Fran went 54-50 his first 3 years. Davis went 77-25. After that 3 year period Davis went 193-114(.628) Fran 217-132(.621)
After the first 3 years, Davis’ teams went to the tournament 6 times, advancing to the 2nd round 6 times, the S16 once.
Fran on the other hand has made 6 tournament appearances(not counting Covid year) advancing to the R32 4 times, with no S16 appearances.
You have to give the edge to Davis but it’s pretty damn close. One S16 for Fran and the differences are negligible. Just my worthless 2 cents.
If you are to the point where you are calling for the leader of the team that you are a "fan for life" of, to be fired, I think that would qualify as a person who has issues.
Since disposing of the of the coach is not an issue for you, then obviously loyalty is not high on your list of character traits. Since as a fan you don't care about your loyalty/support for your team, then switching to another team shouldn't be an issue.
just saying
What are you babbling about? Are you drunk?
Also....I'm not calling for Fran to be fired.
Just saying.
WTF?
So, anyone who thinks it's time for a coaching change "has issues"? I'm not sure I'm following that logic. It's called having an opinion, not a sign of mental illness.
Besides, loyalty can be to a program, not a coach. The coach is not bigger than the program. One can be an IOWA fan, without being a Fran fan.
