Florida GOP Leadership Motto: Where others go forward, we go backward

[NoleATL]

As typical in dictatorships, state GOP wants to control local developers with regards to EV charging stations. This bill would make it illegal for developers to install more EV charging stations than the state dictates. So much for all those tourists in EVs. They must be punished with long charging lines. Its interesting how even a backward state like Georgia is so far ahead of Florida.

Florida GOP Moves To Restrict EV Charging Stations​

February 9, 2024 Politics, Republicans


Florida Politics reports:

Language in legislation (SB 1084) advanced by the Senate would preempt local governments from requiring a higher number of parking lot spaces to be reserved for electric vehicles. Instead, state regulations would be the only threshold imposed.
But during committee discussion, Sen. Jay Collins, a Tampa Republican carrying the bill, made clear the measure would outlaw extra spaces even if developers want to put them in. The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services will have control over setting thresholds.

Could Florida limit electric vehicle stations in parking lots?

An agriculture package in the Senate now has language leaving it to a state agency where to cap charging spots.

floridapolitics.com

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Dumb legislation.

They don't need to dictate that.

 

[auntie_fah]

Isnt this something the free market that republicans always talk about will take care of?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Isnt this something the free market that republicans always talk about will take care of?

More than fair.

R's used to rail against this type stuff.

 

[95Hawk]

Your options aren’t allowed to cross state lines, @NoleATL

So I’ve been told…

 

[FAUlty Gator]

This bill would make it illegal for developers to install more EV charging stations than the state dictates.

While the bill looks to be stupid and for no reason, this isn't what the bill does according to the part of it you posted.

Language in legislation would preempt local governments from requiring a higher number of parking lot spaces to be reserved for electric vehicles. Instead, state regulations would be the only threshold imposed.

This states that the bill says the local government can't force developers to make more spots than the state threshold. Nothing about the developer themselves putting in as much as they want or as many as the customer/ business requests. All of the spots I've seen are at private places of business like Walmart and parking garage structures.

 

[auntie_fah]

More than fair.

R's used to rail against this type stuff.

Rs also have claimed to be for small government.

Ive said it over and over that they like themselves some big government. They just prefer it in the form of the state.

 

[OrlandNole]

While the bill looks to be stupid and for no reason, this isn't what the bill does according to the part of it you posted.

Language in legislation would preempt local governments from requiring a higher number of parking lot spaces to be reserved for electric vehicles. Instead, state regulations would be the only threshold imposed.

This states that the bill says the local government can't force developers to make more spots than the state threshold. Nothing about the developer themselves putting in as much as they want or as many as the customer/ business requests. All of the spots I've seen are at private places of business like Walmart and parking garage structures.

But during committee discussion, Sen. Jay Collins, a Tampa Republican carrying the bill, made clear the measure would outlaw extra spaces even if developers want to put them in. The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services will have control over setting thresholds.

“The Department percentage will be the cap,” Collins said. “That’s what this is. If they went above that, they would not be in concert with this law. That’s just so people can have parking spots. You can’t park in an electric car space if you are not in an electric car. It’s about percentages of people on the road.”

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Rs also have claimed to be for small government.

Ive said it over and over that they like themselves some big government. They just prefer it in the form of the state.

Basically both parties are pro big government at this stage.

Good luck getting budget deficits under control...we're screwed.

Chickens will come home to roost on that front sooner or later. Probably whenever the next recession hits.

 

[auntie_fah]

Chickens will come home to roost on that front sooner or later. Probably whenever the next recession hits.

And it will be the bankers and big corporations that will get bailed out, while its bootstraps for everybody else.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

While the bill looks to be stupid and for no reason, this isn't what the bill does according to the part of it you posted.

Language in legislation would preempt local governments from requiring a higher number of parking lot spaces to be reserved for electric vehicles. Instead, state regulations would be the only threshold imposed.

This states that the bill says the local government can't force developers to make more spots than the state threshold. Nothing about the developer themselves putting in as much as they want or as many as the customer/ business requests. All of the spots I've seen are at private places of business like Walmart and parking garage structures.

That is what the bill says, but apparently the Rep sponsoring the bill doesn’t know what’s in it:

Language in legislation (SB 1084) advanced by the Senate would preempt local governments from requiring a higher number of parking lot spaces to be reserved for electric vehicles. Instead, state regulations would be the only threshold imposed.

But during committee discussion, Sen. Jay Collins, a Tampa Republican carrying the bill, made clear the measure would outlaw extra spaces even if developers want to put them in. The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services will have control over setting thresholds.

“The Department percentage will be the cap,” Collins said. “That’s what this is. If they went above that, they would not be in concert with this law. That’s just so people can have parking spots. You can’t park in an electric car space if you are not in an electric car. It’s about percentages of people on the road.”

That appeared to surprise Sen. Tina Polsky, a Boca Raton Democrat, who thought the legislation would only preempt local governments putting regulations in excess of state requirements.


“I thought this was just a preemption,” she said. “Like if my city of Boca Raton said any new buildings had to have five electric parking vehicle spots, and you’re saying they can’t put that requirement on. But it sounds like you are also saying if a development voluntarily puts six spots on and the Department of Ag says the max is five, they can’t do that.”

Collins said the state would cap spots, though he stressed that will be based on the percentage of spaces in lots, not setting a number of spaces.

“We’re going to have up to a percentage,” Collins said. “You can’t say we’re going to have 40% at all of our hotels will be electric parking. That max number will be the limitation on this.”

That drew concerns from contractors.

Theresa King, President of the Florida Building and Construction Trades Council, said the new language getting lumped into an agriculture package sounded alarms. At the least, she said the matter should be discussed in an individual bill.


“If you are going to look at the dollars and you are worried about subdivisions or complexes or strip malls, and all of the sudden, they grow in popularity and they need more EV stations and they do get approved to it, now you’ve got to cut the concrete to get the pipe laid,” she said.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

And it will be the bankers and big corporations that will get bailed out, while its bootstraps for everybody else.

As per usual.

 

[OrlandNole]

OK, so I actually looked at the bill. It gives the state the authority to enact rules (and takes regulatory authority away from local governments), but doesn't actually establish any rules.

Section 1. Subsection (2) of section 366.94, Florida
201 Statutes, is amended to read:
202 366.94 Electric vehicle charging stations.—
203 (2) The regulation of electric vehicle charging stations is
204 preempted to the state.
205 (a) A local governmental entity may not enact or enforce an
206 ordinance or regulation related to electric vehicle charging
207 stations.
208 (b) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
209 shall adopt rules to provide definitions, methods of sale,
210 labeling requirements, and price-posting requirements for
211 electric vehicle charging stations to allow for consistency for
212 consumers and the industry.

 

[SoProudNole]

Florida is really big on stripping more and more power from local governments.









*It's OK goldie, I live here.

 

[DFSNOLE]

In ruby red Walton County, several commissioners have expressed great frustration with the current state administration and their efforts to take control of decisions that should be theirs. They have tired of DeSantis and his political theater.

 

[Hawki97]

Get rid of the word Florida in your title OP and you’d be correct.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

That is what the bill says, but apparently the Rep sponsoring the bill doesn’t know what’s in it:

Language in legislation (SB 1084) advanced by the Senate would preempt local governments from requiring a higher number of parking lot spaces to be reserved for electric vehicles. Instead, state regulations would be the only threshold imposed.

But during committee discussion, Sen. Jay Collins, a Tampa Republican carrying the bill, made clear the measure would outlaw extra spaces even if developers want to put them in. The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services will have control over setting thresholds.

“The Department percentage will be the cap,” Collins said. “That’s what this is. If they went above that, they would not be in concert with this law. That’s just so people can have parking spots. You can’t park in an electric car space if you are not in an electric car. It’s about percentages of people on the road.”

That appeared to surprise Sen. Tina Polsky, a Boca Raton Democrat, who thought the legislation would only preempt local governments putting regulations in excess of state requirements.


“I thought this was just a preemption,” she said. “Like if my city of Boca Raton said any new buildings had to have five electric parking vehicle spots, and you’re saying they can’t put that requirement on. But it sounds like you are also saying if a development voluntarily puts six spots on and the Department of Ag says the max is five, they can’t do that.”

Collins said the state would cap spots, though he stressed that will be based on the percentage of spaces in lots, not setting a number of spaces.

“We’re going to have up to a percentage,” Collins said. “You can’t say we’re going to have 40% at all of our hotels will be electric parking. That max number will be the limitation on this.”

That drew concerns from contractors.

Theresa King, President of the Florida Building and Construction Trades Council, said the new language getting lumped into an agriculture package sounded alarms. At the least, she said the matter should be discussed in an individual bill.


“If you are going to look at the dollars and you are worried about subdivisions or complexes or strip malls, and all of the sudden, they grow in popularity and they need more EV stations and they do get approved to it, now you’ve got to cut the concrete to get the pipe laid,” she said.

Jesus that's stupid.

 

[SeaPA]

In ruby red Walton County, several commissioners have expressed great frustration with the current state administration and their efforts to take control of decisions that should be theirs. They have tired of DeSantis and his political theater.

The all-out assault on local government is my biggest criticism of our State legislature - but it's been happening since way before Desantis became governor. It's been going on for a good 15 years, probably more.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

I thought most people realized that the number of EV charging stations will be increasing each and every year for the foreseeable future. It’s simple demand and supply dynamics at play here. Trying to stifle technological advancement and increasing public demand is exceedingly stupid and shortsighted. The outcome is inevitable. Get on board or get left behind.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

I thought most people realized that the number of EV charging stations will be increasing each and every year for the foreseeable future. It’s simple demand and supply dynamics at play here. Trying to stifle technological advancement and increasing public demand is exceedingly stupid and shortsighted. The outcome is inevitable. Get on board or get left behind.

You sound woke.

😉

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

More than fair.

R's used to rail against this type stuff.

They don't believe in free markets they just believe in whatever comes out of their orange god's mouth and whatever gives them more power. Believing in the free market limits their power so they stopped believing in that.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

They don't believe in free markets they just believe in whatever comes out of their orange god's mouth and whatever gives them more power. Believing in the free market limits their power so they stopped believing in that.

They've taken a "populist" turn IMO.

 

[TC Nole OX]

Get rid of the word Florida in your title OP and you’d be correct.

It’s worse here. A lot worse.