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Rivian R1T Proves As Efficient As A Ram TRX In 1,100 Mile Test

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The all-electric pickup ended up parked for over five hours at various chargers and cost almost $320 to go 1,100 miles


The Rivian R1T is a desirable pickup in the eyes of many. Fans seem to love its styling, its capability, and its eco-friendly nature. That last feature might just be a bit of a misnomer though as a recent test suggests. In a road trip from Michigan to Florida the R1T cost as much, or even more to fuel than a Ram TRX and required over five hours of charging in the process.


This test happened at the hands of Car and Driver and with its very own long-term R1T test vehicle. The folks there decided to drive from their headquarters at 1585 Eisenhower Pl, Ann Arbor, MI to Daytona Speedway for the opening race of the IMSA season. It was a noble goal with a bit of fun baked in they must have thought when they set out on the nearly 1,100-mile trip (roughly 1,770 km).

Sadly, the reality is that road trips in an EV that can’t access the Tesla Supercharger network still aren’t smooth sailing. Rivian’s navigation system indicated to the team that they’d need to stop 10 times to charge and that the trip would take 24 hours and 31 minutes. According to Google Maps, the normal non-EV estimate is about 16 and a half hours.

Throughout the journey, the team stopped at charging stations from Rivian, EVgo, Electrify America, EV Connect, and ChargePoint. Unsurprisingly, the team didn’t experience a 100% success rate at every charger. In fact, after having to switch charging stations because one was broken, one Car and Driver staffer remarked “This was a cool idea, but I’d like to fly down next year.”

In total, the crew spent in excess of five and a half hours charging the vehicle and $317 in charging fees. Those figures could’ve been better in optimal situations though. For example, the crew could’ve stretched charging sessions to be further apart but it would’ve risked showing up to a broken charger without enough range to reach another one. In addition, it could’ve potentially found cheaper chargers along the route but that would’ve taken more time.

That amount of money spent on a trip of that length is far from what most people expect when they think of an electric vehicle. In fact, it’s less efficient than if the staff had driven a Ram 1500 TRX between the two points.

According to fueleconomy.gov‘s trip calculator, the Ram would’ve used $315.53 worth of fuel (provided 1% of in-city driving) during the trip, or even less at about $265.95 according to the AAA gas cost calculator. If we consider Car and Driver’s own average fuel economy of 11 mpg during their long-term test of the 2022 Ram TRX, along with a current average fuel price of $3.475 in Detroit, the trip would have cost around $347, $30 more than with the electric vehicle. Either way, that doesn’t even begin to consider how much faster the Ram would’ve been able to refuel. Saved time equals saved money right?


 
All the Amazon vans delivering in our Arizona subdivision are Rivians. They are much larger than a van but smaller than a straight truck....
The tech isn’t where it needs to be both in terms of charging and range. It’s also not the “green savior” people think. I would rather have wells and pipelines than lithium strip mines.

Also apparently the added weight wears out roads faster. So raise taxes to pay for replacements?

To add to the weight issue, I have read articles that state the tire wear in EVs is higher overall due to battery weight and micro rubber is being shredded into the air at a faster rate than before. This, in turn, is leading to more environmental pollution.


Their weight makes them poor off-road vehicles as well, they get stuck a lot more than ICE 4X4s. That’s why the Hummer EV (one of the best EVs on the market) ranks below the Ford Bronco, Jeep Rubicon and Chevy Tahoe for off road capability. Now the Hummer will smoke those other vehicles in a race, but it won’t be as effective in mud/ruts, fine dry sand or deep snow.
 
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What is the OPs fear of Rivian trucks then? If gas vehicles are superior to electric vehicles, the loser will go the way of the buggy-whip, right?
Are there NO advantages that electric vehicles have when compared to gas vehicles? If internal combustion/gas vehicles are superior, then internal combustion/ gas vehicles will prevail. It’s basic marketplace economics.
 
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What is the OPs fear of Rivian trucks then? If gas vehicles are superior to electric vehicles, the loser will go the way of the buggy-whip, right?
Are there NO advantages that electric vehicles have when compared to gas vehicles? If internal combustion/gas vehicles are superior, then internal combustion/ gas vehicles will prevail. It’s basic marketplace economics.
Marketplace economics is already at work, electric vehicle maker Rivian will indefinitely halt plans for a $5 billion production facility, the company announced in a corporate event on Thursday, as the company looks to cut costs following a major round of layoffs last month.

All EV makers have tapped the brakes on production as demand falls short of expectations.

https://www.industryweek.com/leader...ces-soft-production-outlook-job-cuts-for-2024
 
Marketplace economics is already at work, electric vehicle maker Rivian will indefinitely halt plans for a $5 billion production facility, the company announced in a corporate event on Thursday, as the company looks to cut costs following a major round of layoffs last month.

All EV makers have tapped the brakes on production as demand falls short of expectations.

https://www.industryweek.com/leader...ces-soft-production-outlook-job-cuts-for-2024
Than why do you piss and moan here about EVs every chance you get? You just piss and moan all the time about shit that will take care of itself sooner or later….,.How people choose to spend their money is their business, isn’t it?
 
Than why do you piss and moan here about EVs every chance you get? You just piss and moan all the time about shit that will take care of itself sooner or later….,.How people choose to spend their money is their business, isn’t it?
I'm here to educate them, most on this board need some education.
 
I'm here to educate them, most on this board need some education.
Educate who on what? You’re the dumbest sumbitch on here Rico…..about as much “reliable” information as #45 has to distribute. Sorry…..your stuff is weak…..and a lot of right-wing bullshit not suitable for consumption. But…I always read your shit, because a lot of times it is just flat out funny!
 
Educate who on what? You’re the dumbest sumbitch on here Rico…..about as much “reliable” information as #45 has to distribute. Sorry…..your stuff is weak…..and a lot of right-wing bullshit not suitable for consumption. But…I always read your shit, because a lot of times it is just flat out funny!
Translation = Libs always resorts to name calling when they have lost the argument.
 
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Now do a Ford F-150 Lightning.
They rushed that to market.

Dealer on Cedar Rapids said they sold one to a guy that lives in Des Moines and he had to stop at a ford dealer on the way home to charge it more. I don’t care if it was winter. That’s awful.

A truck should be easy to have battery space. Make the bed a little shallow and have a giant batter under it.
 
They rushed that to market.

Dealer on Cedar Rapids said they sold one to a guy that lives in Des Moines and he had to stop at a ford dealer on the way home to charge it more. I don’t care if it was winter. That’s awful.

A truck should be easy to have battery space. Make the bed a little shallow and have a giant batter under it.
Also apparently the added weight wears out roads faster. So raise taxes to pay for replacements?

To add to the weight issue, I have read articles that state the tire wear in EVs is higher overall due to battery weight and micro rubber is being shredded into the air at a faster rate than before. This, in turn, is leading to more environmental pollution.
 
Also apparently the added weight wears out roads faster. So raise taxes to pay for replacements?

To add to the weight issue, I have read articles that state the tire wear in EVs is higher overall due to battery weight and micro rubber is being shredded into the air at a faster rate than before. This, in turn, is leading to more environmental pollution.

Yup. You need new tires every 20,000 miles. :eek:
 
Yup. You need new tires every 20,000 miles. :eek:
EV tires are expensive. You may find the tires on your electric vehicle require replacement more frequently than your experience with your old car or SUV.

Adding to the pain is a tire shortage impacting the whole industry. EV tires can already be hard to find at an affordable price.

EVs Are Heavier Than Gas Cars

Why are EVs so much heavier than gas cars? Well, an electric powertrain weighs more than a gas powertrain. For example, the Nissan Leaf is about 1,000 pounds heavier than the Nissan Versa, even though they’re about the same size.

Gas engines aren’t exactly light, but they are when compared to heavy electric motors and batteries that power EVs. That weight adds up if an EV has multiple motors and a larger battery pack for extended range and optimal performance.

Electric vehicles are heavier than their gas-powered counterparts. An extreme example is the mighty GMC Hummer EV Pickup, which tips the scales at 9,063 pounds. That’s about double the weight of a traditional, gas-powered, full-size pickup truck. EVs require special tires that can support the extra weight.

Cost of EV Tires

Several factors contribute to tires for electric cars costing more than typical auto tires. They have design elements for high load indexes, low rolling resistance, and unique tread patterns. Engineers develop characteristics that help boost aerodynamics and reduce road noise.

Fundamental economics also has a role in the cost. There’s a smaller field for tires made especially for EVs. This narrow market means less competition, fewer choices, and higher prices.

However, it’s always worth it to pay more for tires designed for EVs instead of trying to save a few bucks by putting regular tires on your electric car. In the long run, EV-compatible tires will last longer, and you’ll spend less than you would have if you got cheaper tires and replaced them more frequently.

Remembering that replacing tires is one of the few EV maintenance costs may help ease any price tag shock.

 
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